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This is why people don't ever go into 0.0 space anymore

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Roosterton
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#61 - 2012-01-07 06:29:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Roosterton
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The problem here is simple, CCP have created a game based around ganking, but made it impossible for people to run away, you say run away but if the ship is far more superior and they're even given essentially an "IWIN" button ( the scrambler ) how the hell do you expect noobs to get anywhere near 0.0 space or do anything out of high security for that matter? Or at all be viable in PvP in any way if gankers are determined enough to go after them?


You have plenty of options.

1) Use cloaky ships, or even normal ships with cloak+mwd. This alone will make your travel much, much safer.
2) Make friends. EVE is an MMO, it isn't meant to be played solo. These friends can scout for you, back you up if you get into trouble, kill people so that they won't be a threat later, etc.
3) Get permission from the people who killed you to run missions in their space. Get to know them a bit, maybe join their corp if you really like them. Most people in 0.0 aren't really that bad.
4) Get a bigger, stronger ship. If they still attack you, you'll have a fighting chance, or they might not attack you at all if you won't be easy prey.
Jovan Geldon
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#62 - 2012-01-07 08:14:57 UTC
That was an awful lot of words you used to tell us that you're terrible at EVE, and also severely mentally deficient to boot
Covert Kitty
SRS Industries
#63 - 2012-01-07 09:00:01 UTC
Prop mods (usually microwarp) are almost always mandatory in pvp. Sounds like you had one, but choose to aggress an opponent you would obviously not win against. The correct move would have been to burn back to the gate and jump without agress.

90% of pvp in eve is what happens before the fight, not during. Like chess, if you moved a pawn, uncovered, into the sights of a rook, it's not the game's fault that you loose it on your opponents turn. Eve works in a very similar way, it's all about knowing what counters what. What fittings, ranges, weapons, damage types, etc are likely to be strong against your opponent, and also recognizing your own ships abilities, knowing when to run.

Nullsec is perfectly viable for solo pvp and pve. Stealth bombers are a simple and obvious choice for ratting for example, its a fantastic way of getting your sec standing up. Just the other day I left Amarr in a hurricane on what I thought would be a solo suicide roam. Flew 100 some jumps around nullsec, eventually killed a vagabond deep in Russian space and returned safely back to Amarr :D
Killer Gandry
The Concilium Enterprises
#64 - 2012-01-07 09:01:00 UTC
If you fly an inferior ship with inferior skills, equipement and tactics then why should you be rewarded for that?

Your mistakes are as follows.

No research.
No plan.
No tactics.
No idea what you are doing.
Posting the whole concept on the forums.
Thredd Necro
Doomheim
#65 - 2012-01-07 09:01:57 UTC
Valei Khurelem wrote:
I voluntarily approached an AEGIS Cruiser in my rubber dinghy and the cruiser blew me out of the water and there was nothing I could do about it.


You might have had a chance at escape if you had JATO units on your dinghy, but I think the best advice is that of Mr Miyagi:

"Best defense: No be there."

What is the true point of this post?

He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which. - Douglas Adams
Halcyon Ingenium
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#66 - 2012-01-07 09:23:58 UTC
Valei Khurelem wrote:


You're right, EVE is for cowards.


And there you have it ladies and gentlemen. Yet one more anecdote for the record that shows that the born loser will always resort to the moral victory when the actual victory is denied him. He could take his licks and maybe learn from them and get better. But instead he has opted for the eternal moral victory which requires no more effort, no self overcoming.

Moral victory = Slavery

Have fun with that.

By the way, since we're already talking, do you want to buy a rifter? I've got the cheapest rifters in Metropolis. If you can find a cheaper rifter, buy it!
Cybele Lanier
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#67 - 2012-01-07 10:57:30 UTC
Brujo Loco wrote:
I totally understand your frustration if it's real, you are accustomed to playing games a CERTAIN way where you are the Dovahkiin of Legend and you kill dragons by FOS RUH DA'ing them over edges and you have 100 in all skills and you are oh so special and no matter what you do endless hordes of npcs will say you are so awesome and oyu can marry them and they will love you in pxelated polygon love for ever as the world is loaded in your ram , but then you come into eve and right away take an arrow in the knee and you realize you are just another guy in a weird sandlot full of cat crap, bullies, midgets, and the center is full of nice people only because there's a sandguardian, but the edges have all manners of weirdos and wig wearing transvestites.

So Hi Sec is the most close thing to an experience like that where you are somewhat safe, you can mine, mission run and hate people for wanting to violence you ship when all you want is do missions for a pirate faction known for extorsion, murder, racketeering and profiteering and the only thing between you and them is a bunch of people that came into a zone and said "THIS CRAP IS MINE" and don't let you pass through it because they can't understand they are killing pvp and eve is wrong so wrong, perhaps because they use transvestite wigs and high heels, who knows?

So yes, eve is wrong.

No

EVE just is. The only strange thing here is the wig wearing transvestites at the edge of the sandlot that is peed and po'od upon and you want to go there and be free and roam carelessly in the winds. But that's how it is. It's an utter monstrosity of a hodgepodge of people that created an artificial set of rules and yes, those rules sometimes totally suck but that's how things are.

But if EVE removed the Sandguardian Police at the center of the lot everyone would leave and eve would die, because all the midgets and weirdos would love to just grief the others, and not for being great or normal, simply because they are midgets and wig wearing transvestites that just want to dance instead of paying the bills to the pimps that live at the edges of the sandlot.

So stop pretending you are not a wig wearing trans or a midget or a weirdo, we all are here in the sandlot, the thing just boils down to the issue of you wanting to dance for free and for love to the art or you just want to dance and pay the pimps and belong to a nightclub instead of doing it in the communal YMCA abandoned lot at the center where no one cares



Who else thinks that CCP should get this guy to narrate the game intro instead of Aura?

"You don't need luck. You need theft things and run."
Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#68 - 2012-01-07 11:04:23 UTC
oh noes... Roll

CEO of Lanate Industries

Citizen of Solitude
flakeys
Doomheim
#69 - 2012-01-07 11:20:34 UTC  |  Edited by: flakeys
TRoll ,


Sorry but my brain is telling me NO ONE can be that stupid , narrowminded and blind to the obvious.It is IMPOSSIBLE. Shocked

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#70 - 2012-01-07 11:31:49 UTC
To the OP:

You just learned how EVE is not about being free, but about doing what the rules allow you to do, which can be summarized as: bully or unsuscribe.
Pinaculus
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#71 - 2012-01-07 11:34:00 UTC
So...you're mad because you lost a Thrasher? You do know that Destroyers are held together by paper mache and hope, right? And they're extremely cheap. And they're insurable for full value (minus modules).

You even said in your initial post that you purposefully budgeted a certain amount because you were pretty sure you would die.

Well, you died and didn't lose much. Congrats. Your plan worked! Successful risk management!

Next time fly something with enough tank and speed to make it back to the gate without dying. I hear Drakes and Hurricanes are good for that.

I know sometimes it's difficult to realize just how much you spend on incidental things each month or year, but seriously, EVE is very cheap entertainment compared to most things... If you are a smoker, smoke one less pack a week and pay for EVE, with money left over to pick up a cheap bundle of flowers for the EVE widow upstairs.
Miss Whippy
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#72 - 2012-01-07 11:40:48 UTC
Obvious Troll is obvious. How can so many people fall for it?

Noobs

[URL="https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=82348"]UI Iteration isn't enough, we need to start from scratch[/URL]
Tore Vest
#73 - 2012-01-07 11:56:51 UTC
Stay in highsec.
Its nothing to see out in low/null....
other than big blobs and gatecampers with mids full of sensorboosters Bear

No troll.
Ghoest
#74 - 2012-01-07 12:34:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Ghoest
@ OP

1 I spend a great deal of time in in 0.0 particularly in NPC pirate space.
2 I dont gank people.
3 You are a clueless noob.

Seriously if this is how you perceived your visit to 0.0 you should never leave high sec. You clearly are not up to understanding the rather simple dynamics of 0.0



On the other hand maybe its an 8/10.

Wherever You Went - Here You Are
Pinaculus
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#75 - 2012-01-07 13:58:39 UTC
Miss Whippy wrote:
Obvious Troll is obvious. How can so many people fall for it?

Noobs

Of course it's an obvious troll, but it has also spurred an interesting conversation about tactics for navigating through null. The conversation could prove useful to new players that aren't crybabies.

I know sometimes it's difficult to realize just how much you spend on incidental things each month or year, but seriously, EVE is very cheap entertainment compared to most things... If you are a smoker, smoke one less pack a week and pay for EVE, with money left over to pick up a cheap bundle of flowers for the EVE widow upstairs.
Riedle
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#76 - 2012-01-07 14:49:13 UTC
good God I hope this a troll
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#77 - 2012-01-07 15:20:23 UTC
Valei Khurelem wrote:
So let me get this straight, because I have less ISK than the other guy, I should run away from him ( which I tried to do )
No. Rather, because he is in a more expensive ship than you, you should come to the conclusion that he didn't pay all that extra ISK just to pay extra ISK, but rather because it would buy him some kind of additional abilities. It's those additional abilities you need to be wary about and run away from. In this case, he bought the ability of a silly large tank and improved tackling abilities.

Oh, and no, you didn't try to run away — you “tried charging him and got only one shot off”, which sealed your fate. By the sound of it, you also came very ill equipped for the both tasks, running away and attacking.
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if we take the scrambler out of the equation then what do I do if he has two other of his buddies waiting at the other gate for me with equally powerful ships?
Bring 4, 5, 10 friends and blow them up. Numbers count for a lot — ISK and SP far less.
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It's amazing how people actually think this game is balanced
Well, you haven't really presented a strong case for why it isn't balanced. Most people around here are aware of balancing issues, but they are between races and between hull/weapon design principle. Your scenario has very little to do with balance, and a lot to do with making bad decisions while/such as using suboptimal equipment for the task at hand. Oh, and running away is very much possible, you just need to learn how…
Othran
Route One
#78 - 2012-01-07 15:32:26 UTC
Riedle wrote:
good God I hope this a troll



I don't believe it is as he's complaining on other threads about CCP fanboys defending the game.

He's just one of the many instant gratification people who visit Eve and leave. The point at which you should panic is when CCP listens to people like this.
Dbars Grinding
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#79 - 2012-01-07 16:14:15 UTC
eve pvp is pretty bad. I just play to become space rich. WH/pve/trading/exploration is all i really do. If i want to pvp i play BF3 or world of tanks.

I have more space likes than you. 
Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#80 - 2012-01-07 16:37:21 UTC
Cybele Lanier wrote:
Brujo Loco wrote:
I totally understand your frustration if it's real, you are accustomed to playing games a CERTAIN way where you are the Dovahkiin of Legend and you kill dragons by FOS RUH DA'ing them over edges and you have 100 in all skills and you are oh so special and no matter what you do endless hordes of npcs will say you are so awesome and oyu can marry them and they will love you in pxelated polygon love for ever as the world is loaded in your ram , but then you come into eve and right away take an arrow in the knee and you realize you are just another guy in a weird sandlot full of cat crap, bullies, midgets, and the center is full of nice people only because there's a sandguardian, but the edges have all manners of weirdos and wig wearing transvestites.

So Hi Sec is the most close thing to an experience like that where you are somewhat safe, you can mine, mission run and hate people for wanting to violence you ship when all you want is do missions for a pirate faction known for extorsion, murder, racketeering and profiteering and the only thing between you and them is a bunch of people that came into a zone and said "THIS CRAP IS MINE" and don't let you pass through it because they can't understand they are killing pvp and eve is wrong so wrong, perhaps because they use transvestite wigs and high heels, who knows?

So yes, eve is wrong.

No

EVE just is. The only strange thing here is the wig wearing transvestites at the edge of the sandlot that is peed and po'od upon and you want to go there and be free and roam carelessly in the winds. But that's how it is. It's an utter monstrosity of a hodgepodge of people that created an artificial set of rules and yes, those rules sometimes totally suck but that's how things are.

But if EVE removed the Sandguardian Police at the center of the lot everyone would leave and eve would die, because all the midgets and weirdos would love to just grief the others, and not for being great or normal, simply because they are midgets and wig wearing transvestites that just want to dance instead of paying the bills to the pimps that live at the edges of the sandlot.

So stop pretending you are not a wig wearing trans or a midget or a weirdo, we all are here in the sandlot, the thing just boils down to the issue of you wanting to dance for free and for love to the art or you just want to dance and pay the pimps and belong to a nightclub instead of doing it in the communal YMCA abandoned lot at the center where no one cares



Who else thinks that CCP should get this guy to narrate the game intro instead of Aura?


People should be forced to read and agree to this instead of the EULA.