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Is the Sun Speed affected by It's relative Momentum and ??

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Gadolf Agalder
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2015-11-20 17:18:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Gadolf Agalder
Is the Sun increase in size due to it's previous speed?

Doesn't the Sun speed create more reaction to its core, which increases its size and mass, which increases its inertia?


Also, won't the Sun still increase in size when it will already have started to slow down, due to previous reaction effect?

In other words, there has to be ratio for the Sun's momentum.

Or perhaps , it's size will shrink without delays of reaction, speed and mass, except perhaps to a relatively negligible extent...





I read the relative scale of earth time for this is in the 3 or 5 billions of years.


The higher the energy level, the more risk of reaction, and the greater effect of gravity and so on...
Falken Falcon
#2 - 2015-11-20 20:08:33 UTC
Disclaimer: I understand very little when it comes to celestial mechanics.. or anything else.

But what i understand is that the reaction does not increase it's mass. It creates heavier elements that increases the density of the core elements and when/if the star passes the certain level density in the core (With iron) it potentially collapses in to a singularity. So the speed of the star or the kinetic energy that is in it must come from something and move to something. You can not create energy from nothing nor can you destroy it, only change it's form.

So the size/volume can change depending on the reaction/life cycle, but not the mass.

Everyone/anyone correct me where i'm wrong as Written without google™

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Gadolf Agalder
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2015-11-20 21:05:23 UTC
Falken Falcon wrote:
Disclaimer: I understand very little when it comes to celestial mechanics.. or anything else.

But what i understand is that the reaction does not increase it's mass. It creates heavier elements that increases the density of the core elements and when/if the star passes the certain level density in the core (With iron) it potentially collapses in to a singularity. So the speed of the star or the kinetic energy that is in it must come from something and move to something. You
can not create energy from nothing nor can you destroy it, only change it's form.

So the size/volume can change depending on the reaction/life cycle, but not the mass.

Everyone/anyone correct me where i'm wrong as Written without google™

What I meant is that star bodies operate differently than other reaction which occurs in our system.
The stars are more affected from (or by) external forces than the internal forces we are subjected to.

In that sense, since the kinetic energy build-up is so great, for billions of years, the energy changes.
The start of our sun size was smaller, but the energy involved was greater.
The mass that it moved (and there has to be internal forces that keeps those masses together to a certain specific extent) was so great that it reacted from its small size, and as kinetic energy build-up, even after the great energy that moved it from start, caused it to increase in size.
Our sun currently is in expansion, and so that it why that I considered its speed, mass, original speed, original mass, and wondered how it would react in the future.
Would its speed go down before its size, as the previous kinetic energy reaction , which partly causes it to react , would still be in effect, and so , still make the sun expand even though its relative speed would have already slowed down.

Consider that to reach other stars, even the light has to go through other procedures in time, and since time is related to energy, at that scale, the speed of our sun affects and will affect the rate and energy in relation to reaching those other stars.

There is no doubt that it is way easier to reach water on the moons of Jupiter and test jelly fish farms and what not.
Apparently the main problem with living on the Moon and even Mars is the difference in gravity which affect human metabolism, and I don't know how it affects plants or other metabolism.
How would insect adapt, and so on?


1.
"But what i understand is that the reaction does not increase it's mass."
The reaction of the sun does not increase the mass, but the energy change, and the energy is related to the mass of the sun.
If the energy changes, the same as when you open a fire, or burn iron, or even heat it, the energy changes, and so does the mass, albeit on a microscopic scale.
The more energy is created is causing reactions to occur such as gravity and other reactions.


2.
" It creates heavier elements that increases the density of the core elements and when/if the star passes the certain level density in the core (With iron) it potentially collapses in to a singularity. "
The sun is in expansion and will then become smaller once it has reached it's largest size.
Then, its mass will not only change, but it will increase, due to the level of energy, and it will take mercury, venus, and the earth inside of it's core, due to the amount of gravity change.
Those are the celestial mechanics which nobody on earth will know about, because for one thing, it should easier to live elsewhere than inside the sun, and secondly, those that will know about it will not be on earth (which won't exist by then).

We will have to find some way to adapt to other conditions to survive.

By the time the sun gets smaller, it will become a dwarf star or some other form of modified state which I forgot about now.
Those conclusion must have been reached by the current observation in effect and comparing numbers and speed and so on.
I have not looked much into it, but once you understand the calculation, it is no doubt to calculate the outcomes by computer (given that the algorithm or heuristics are right).


3.
"So the speed of the star or the kinetic energy that is in it must come from something and move to something."
Well yes, that there is no doubt about it, and speed also only is in relation to very well defined relation of space and time.
When those relation of space and time changes due to external forces, so does the way that speed is calculated relatively speaking.
Certain speed varies in relation to external factors.
Speed in relation to moving bodies also varies as well.

The speed of the star and the kinetic energy are related but,
a.)
the speed of the star is only related to the movement of the star in relation to other points in space.
Since it is a star, those other points in space can also have other forces affecting them, and they may not be fixed points themselves.

It is quite easy to measure the speed of smaller bodies in relation to the earth.
Even the speed of the moon in relation to the moon is easier to calculate than the speed of the sun.
Smaller bodies in relation to the earth are deemed to be moving in relation to a fixed point in space.
Of course, the earth also moves, and we don't feel it , since the gravity on earth seems constant.
It is pretty constant in fact.
The sun also has gravity.

I don't think we know of any point in space that the sun is attracted to by gravity, and we have no black hole in our path as of yet, so we also are not attracted by gravity or other forces that would make it move towards it or inwards to it.

b.)
"...the kinetic energy of the star that is in it must come from something and move to something."
Yes indeed, although the kinetic energy of the star that is in the star (that kinetic energy is in relation to the movement and the mass of the star) comes from a possible big bang, as the other surrounding stars in our ...
Gadolf Agalder
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2015-11-20 21:09:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Gadolf Agalder
...milky way.
Its movement is outward from the center of the big bang, as for the other galaxies and other systems nearby.
The other stars are also in expansion, and so the distance towards them increases to a great rate.
I forgot the exact rate at this point, but I learned it before .

There is no doubt that probes are easier to send there before life can or will be able to ever reach it from our end at this time.


" You
can not create energy from nothing nor can you destroy it, only change it's form."
I cannot create energy from nothing, but there is mostly nothing in space.

my pc shuts down in 1 minute...

The analogy of the fact that there is nothing created or lost is that it is done within a contained system.
Those contained system are fixed in relation to other greater entities, or greater forces that be, one of those, being, celestial, or, astronomical, or of the stars or the sun(s).

Even in those closed system, closer examination reveals that in fact, the changes of the form do not include energy itself as a whole since the energy itself as a whole is directly related to greater systems, including solar power energy and , solar movements.
In fact, it is the description of the term (in this case energy) that is related to other systems that are external to only those refered closed system or internal systems.
Other terms , like kinetic energy, or speed, or mass, or gravity, have their own description which, convey which systems they are related to.
Change those terms descriptions, or apply alternate descriptions to them, and it would have the same effects as interpreting someone's action differently, to one's own goal and benefit, even if that goal is against the person's greater good for everyone else instead.

That is another benefit for me to copyright my work since it allows me to keep a certain level of certainty into the description of my works.
Since systems cannot be copywritten, as biography cannot be copywritten, related descriptions to those systems are required to prevent loses of intellectual properties.


" So the size/volume can change depending on the reaction/life cycle, but not the mass. "
Mmh, it seems that the fields are implied differently than it is occuring.
Size/volume is not contained since this is related to the reaction itself , including the light rays , waves, energies transferred from the sun to the planets, and reflected, or , not reflected , in space.
The life cycle is related to the life cycle of the big bang, and its aftermath, as there possibly is more than one occuring.
The life cycle of the sun does not directly change the volume/size because , the energy affect the mass , since the energy is in stellar movement.
Not only does the mass change, it gains kinetic energy, and the potential application of that kinetic energy is also not defined at 100% accuracy since it is also affected by stellar dimensions reactions, such as solar reaction of energy moving through space, with planets in their gravitational fields, and so on....
The mass of the sun increases as it gains volume, and energy, and it's mass increases as mercury is integrated, and venus and the earth.


" Everyone/anyone correct me where i'm wrong as Written without google™ "
I'm sur they can do better than correct you and invest in your endeavours.
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Gadolf Agalder
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2015-11-21 17:09:36 UTC

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Buzz Orti
State War Academy
Caldari State
#6 - 2015-12-10 21:51:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Buzz Orti
There is a recurring theme in many sci-fi about parallelism in different solar systems and even other external systems.

The likelyhood of life to be transferred between those realistic dimensional entities is much lesser than described.

They remain indeed in the realm of thoughts and theories rather than in more practical and otherwise truthful facts.

This is very like to only happen in millions if not billions of years or later.


In other words, our sun may very well be extinct by then, or at least much more different than it is functioning or breaking up now, or other.

That is approaching the limit of the sun speed and it's life cycle itself.


It is much easier for light source and light systems (light beams, reflections, refractions, etc) to reach those other systems in a minimum of 4. point some years minimum for the nearest one, than for other forms of waves or entities, such as different kind of atom particles.

The rate at which the solar systems expands from one another is related to:

Star System
Alpha Centauri, also known as Rigil Kent or Toliman, is the closest star system to the Solar System at 4.37 ly.
from Wikipedia

Space itself is pulling apart at the seams, expanding at a rate of 74.3 plus or minus 2.1 kilometers (46.2 plus or minus 1.3 miles) per second per megaparsec (a megaparsec is roughly 3 million light-years).Oct 3, 2012


Is the universe expanding faster than the speed of light? (Intermediate)
So how do we measure this? As discussed in a previous question, the universe's expansion is determined by something called the Hubble constant, which is approximately equal to 71, measured in the technically useful but conceptually confusing units of "kilometers per second per megaparsec." In more sensible units, the Hubble constant is approximately equal to 0.007% per million years -- what it means is that every million years, all the distances in the universe stretch by 0.007%.

...
Since we know that the speed of light is around 300,000 kilometers per second, it is easy to calculate how far away two galaxies must be in order to be moving away from each other faster than the speed of light. The answer we get is that the two galaxies must be separated by around 4,200 megaparsecs (130,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 kilometers).

The 80,000-Year Voyage to Alpha Centauri (VIDEO)
(Probably can be done faster), even if not for life.


Alpha Centauri

ESO. A journey to Alpha Centauri. HD

Other than the above figures, I cannot find at which rate Alpha Centauri systems (3 or 4 by now, according to these above links) is expanding away from our sun and therefore increasing our distances from each others.
But there is a rate.
It is slower than the speed of light , and rather manageable.

However, at 10% of the speed of light it would take 43 years to get there. (86 years round trip.)
At 1% of the speed of light, it would take 430 years, and many generations.
That would be 860 years round trip.

At 0.1% of that rate , it would take 4300 years, about the time of recent human civilizations.
That is 8600 years round trip, which is definitely more than the normal or average recent human civilizations.
Sure there were cities and laws before, but definitely not like today.
They did have the same days pretty much indeed however.

Edit:
Proxima Centauri
Among the known stars, Proxima Centauri has been the closest star to the Sun for about 32,000 years and will be so for about another 33,000 years, after which the closest star to the Sun will be Ross 248.[58] In 2001, J. García-Sánchez et al. predicted that Proxima will make its closest approach to the Sun, coming within 3.11 ly of the latter, in approximately 26,700 years.[59]

A 2010 study by V. V. Bobylev predicted a closest approach distance of 2.90 ly in about 27,400 years.[60] Proxima Centauri is orbiting through the Milky Way at a distance from the Galactic Center that varies from 8.3 to 9.5 kpc, with an orbital eccentricity of 0.07.[61]

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