EVE New Citizens Q&A

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According to the killboards you lost 2 ships (not saying you didn't lose more, but these are recorded) and both were in low sec.

If you choose to go into low sec, which is known to be dangerous, as a newbie who obviously lacks understanding on how to survive then explain to me why you blame others when you, inevitably, get blown up.

Sorry I killed your Venture, OP. If I recall correctly, I spotted you with my directional scanner in a lowsec system mining in an asteroid belt, warped to you and killed you. It's nothing personal, I do that to everyone. I do not honestly think I even checked the age of your character before attacking.

Let's revisit that engagement briefly.

There you were, mining away in lowsec, an area specifically designated as being dangerous lawless space. Nothing wrong with that, of course. People were entering and leaving the system periodically. You could have kept track of their comings and goings by monitoring who was in local chat. The easiest way to do this is to separate local from your other chat windows, set it to a compact member list so you don't have to scroll through it very often, and stretch it up the full length of your screen. Local chat is your first and best source of intel. In lowsec and nullsec, it is safe to assume that anyone in local chat who isn't in your own corporation or alliance, or who does not have positive standings to you, is probably there looking for people to kill. In reality, only about half of them are, but it's safest to assume they are all hunting you.

Ok, so you are mining away. This guy, Syeed Ameer Ali, is in local chat. He is neutral to you, so you figure he will try to kill you if he can find you. You check his "show info" window and see he has a negative security status - another clue that he likes to attack people without provocation. Now you are on heightened alert. So next you check your directional scanner. You set it for "use active overview settings", set the range and angle to maximum, and click "scan". Since the last time you checked a new ship has popped up - an Incursus. You infer that this Incursus must be piloted by Syeed Ameer Ali. You still aren't panicking though. You change the range on your dscan to 1AU, and start clicking "scan" every few seconds. Soon the Incursus shows up on scan again - he's getting close! But your ore hold is almost full and you figure another cycle or two will do it, so you keep mining while you calmly select a celestial object like a planet or customs office and command your Venture to "align to" it. Aligning will allow you to enter warp instantly as soon as you hit the warp button, making for a quicker getaway.

Suddenly the Incursus is in the belt with you. Your relflexes are slow and before you can react he has you warp scrambled and is shooting you. Fortunately, your Venture has a warp strength of 2, meaning that unless Syeed Ameer Ali has more than one warp scrambler (unlikely), you can still warp to safety. This is why you chose a Venture for lowsec mining in the first place. You spam your warp button and leave him in the belt with only minor damage to your ship. Then you dock up, or warp around for awhile, or go to a safe bookmarked location in space and continue to monitor local and dscan. You make fun of Syeed in local chat for failing to kill you. He accuses you of rank cowardice for refusing to stand and fight. Pretty soon he gets bored and leaves system looking for easier targets, and you return to the belt and fill your hold with that sweet, sweet lowsec ore.

So OP, if you are still there, nobody is out there trying to kill new players to drive them from the game. Lots of people are out there trying to kill anyone they can, though. This is true even in highsec, but especially in lowsec. This is the nature of the game. If you want to survive, you can't assume that anyone will give you a pass for your newbie status, so it is best to learn some skills to increase your survivability. It sounds complicated, but it isn't really. Local and dscan. Learn to use them every day, all the time, especially in lawless space.

Seriously, you don't need scouts for lowsec mining...or scouts for lowsec full stop (unless you have a JF or capital). You have the best scout you could ever need - sharp eyes, quick reflexes and a basic understanding of how players operate outside of CONCORD space.



The game is not designed to do what - offer protection? That's true. But the game is designed (technically, at least) to offer financial incentives for people to take risks...namely, mining higher-end ores in lowsec than are available in the relative safety of high sec. Looks like the OP took a good step in that direction, even if it didn't end well for him and he didn't handle losing his ship particularly well.

It's a PVP game; people log in to PVP. You were trying to mine and transport things, did you feel evil for doing that? No? It's just an in-game activity, right? So is PVP, even in high-sec, even against newbies. The guy doesn't have enough information to know that you're truly a newbie; all he sees is a SHIP that he can take out as a valid target. That's all he needs to worry about.

If you're going to leave, that's ok. Better you found out now how this game is, than losing 6 months to 1 year of your life only to be attacked and killed then. Right?

Good luck.

you dont need to be sorry, welcome to eve where you are free to be a **** , brush off the loss as you learned something from it.

Just dont give up on it, once you learn how to be safe you will love it

This is the crux of the issue.

In this game, nearly every action in the game pits you against other players in some way, shape, or form. Blowing up someone elses' ship is only the most overt example. In your case, mining, you are competing with every other miner in that area trying to sell ore/minerals. You got an edge over them by mining higher-quality lowsec ore that will cause people to buy from you and not other players. You are hitting their wallets just as much as Syeed hit yours. And that's fine! This game is built on competition between players in just about every way imaginable.


That's why we like to give newbies a helping hand. More people playing to co-operate or compete with makes things more fun! Don't take being shot at personally. It's all just part of the game.

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I meant that is was safer in low-sec to have scouts to use their sharp eyes to scan the low-sec system and inform the party to go there without risk of loss.
Your suggestion seems like a good trap where you would profit from attacking .
Seriously bad.
I don't even go to low-sec in Merlin or Kestrel frigate and hope to survive without being attacked.
If and when I don't get attacked is just a bonus.
It is more around 90% than 95% and rarely goes over 99%.

Certain low-sec systems are pirate hubs:
Known pirate systems
There is more chance of being attacked in those.

Faction warfare also increases the chance of skirmishes.

Most corpses are not operated on, except by the new drifters force.
However, certain unscrupulous players tend to capture corpses to sell them at action and make you sing on youtube.
I remember a Christmas song at this time of the year .
I used to practice in Quafe transport ships.
Miasmos Quafe Ultra Edition
ITERON MARK IV QUAFE ULTRA EDITION (LORE)
Miasmos Quafe Ultramarine Edition

At least, I could make some song videos with those while delivering Quafe Zero, as the quoted poster mentioned.
Absolutely zero risk at all.


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Why mine in low-sec where there is no CONCORD to enforce security of new players (or other players)?
The game is not designed to do that.
"The game is not designed to do what - offer protection? "

The game is not designed to mine in low-sec without protection.
There is more chance to be attacked by groups of roaming pirates or even pirate corporation than by single attackers.

Btw, the game is designed to offer protection, so it is not true that the game does not offer protection.
How to get it (protection) and how to offer protection requires more details.


" That's true. But the game is designed (technically, at least) to offer financial incentives for people to take risks...namely, mining higher-end ores in lowsec than are available in the relative safety of high sec."

With greater risk can come greater rewards it is true, but with greater risk also comes greater risks of greater loses, if not equally so.
You can mine higher-end ores in lowsec and nullsec as well, but with greater security.
It took me 3 years to mine solo in nullsec with the top ore and top ice and I still have greater costs than I made mining due to my internet costs however.
When my internet costs will go down, and that I will be using my own computer at home, then I will make income and pay for my game time on my 12 pilots accounts with ingame profit (for free).

Also, don't expect security in High-Sec (which means High Security zone by the way, but that is only related to CONCORD status of law enforcement levels, and the criminal element ratios...) while in wardec.
Whichever player corporation you are in while in wardec, and it takes only a few minutes or days once you join a corp, is fair game while in High-sec and that a Wardec is authorized by CONCORD.


" Looks like the OP took a good step in that direction, even if it didn't end well for him and he didn't handle losing his ship particularly well."
I don't know what was in his Mammoth, or if it was 10b ISK of all his stuff, but the right step is to post in the EVE New Citizens Q&A .
I don't know if he can post here in trial mode.
I also can't type citizen from my tablet because the 'Z' key is malfunctioning and the on-screen keyboard also shows the 'z' key under the broken screen area.
I can try to copy-paste a 'z' from somewhere but it can take 10 to 20 minutes on a good day.

If you haven't done them already, the "career agent" missions serve as an extended tutorial and they give out free ships on completion (and a fair amount of isk for a new player). Even if you have done them you can redo them with a different faction if you want the ships. They can also give you a taste of what EVE has to offer besides mining, though nothing near as exciting as being hunted in low sec.

And don't worry about coming in hot. A good game will provoke strong emotions right? We've all felt that frustration at times. But as you can see, even though something bad happened you gained something even more valuable than your venture - lots of good advice. This is often the way in EVE. Try starting up a conversation with those that kill you. They are usually more than happy to show you where you went wrong and how to stay safer in the future. Especially if you have a good attitude.

You might even make a friend or find a new corp home. Who knows, maybe you'd make a rather good pirate yourself.

+1 forum candy for getting over the initial rage dude, seriously it's good to see that you're getting back on your feet after a (comparatively) serious loss.

The thing about the eve community is it's a harsh one and how you react to loss Will dictate how it responds to you.

You lost everything, you raged, you shouted, you calmed down, got your **** together and got back on your feet, love it,
and I love it because I've done it myself , a couple of times so I understand how you feel.

Just be glad you only lost a week's worth of work and not a month's (or a years) ,
but that visceral sense of Loss is what sets eve head and shoulders above every other game out there and it's what keeps me (and I dare say a number of the other posters) playing.
We do care about our newbros and inflicting losses earlier in the career is actually a godsend for you because imagine if this had happened to you a couple of months later.

You just got the quintessential litmus test (shoot the newbro in the face and see how he reacts, if rage - laugh , if well - shower with advice ), and passed with bonus points for the frothing forum rage and later recovery ,
we don't often see public apologies here so it's refreshing.

Welcome aboard mate

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