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Will we be allowed to change character names?

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Otso Bakarti
Doomheim
#41 - 2015-11-11 15:12:23 UTC
OP: May I join the chorus in saying, I can't believe you'd want to change such a well-thought out name?

There just isn't anything that can be said!
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#42 - 2015-11-13 21:16:28 UTC
It's almost as if there's an onslaught of alts hammering GD trying to spark something.

NO, no to name changes.
Dyllan Ma'tar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2015-11-14 01:41:28 UTC
Most people say no, and their reasoning is faulty. We already have the Character Bazaar. Anyone looking to abandon a "tainted" name and pick up a new one can.

The usual counter argument?

"But someone had to invest time and money in that character and then sell it!"

Which means they are ok with it in principle; they just want to haggle over price and difficulty for it.

So maybe the question should be, how much should a name change cost in time and money?

Six plex and only once every 10 million sp?

But please people, give up this faux purist stance. It makes you look dumb.
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#44 - 2015-11-14 01:42:54 UTC
Dyllan Ma'tar wrote:
Most people say no, and their reasoning is faulty. We already have the Character Bazaar. Anyone looking to abandon a "tainted" name and pick up a new one can.

The usual counter argument?

"But someone had to invest time and money in that character and then sell it!"

Which means they are ok with it in principle; they just want to haggle over price and difficulty for it.

So maybe the question should be, how much should a name change cost in time and money?

Six plex and only once every 10 million sp?

But please people, give up this faux purist stance. It makes you look dumb.


That's a lot of nonsense you typed there. But keep trying, perhaps someday you'll come up with logic and reasoning that doesn't sound silly.
Dyllan Ma'tar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2015-11-14 01:44:32 UTC
Gregor Parud wrote:
Dyllan Ma'tar wrote:
Most people say no, and their reasoning is faulty. We already have the Character Bazaar. Anyone looking to abandon a "tainted" name and pick up a new one can.

The usual counter argument?

"But someone had to invest time and money in that character and then sell it!"

Which means they are ok with it in principle; they just want to haggle over price and difficulty for it.

So maybe the question should be, how much should a name change cost in time and money?

Six plex and only once every 10 million sp?

But please people, give up this faux purist stance. It makes you look dumb.


That's a lot of nonsense you typed there. But keep trying, perhaps someday you'll come up with logic and reasoning that doesn't sound silly.


Ad hominem to you too.
Avvy
Doomheim
#46 - 2015-11-14 02:07:01 UTC
N00B-SAIB0T wrote:
In regards to the Dev Blog "Exploring The Character Bazaar & Skill Trading", they touched on something important:

"That part really hits home for me because when I made that jump from 15mil SP to 33mil SP I went from being called ‘Turbo Dinosaur’ to being called ‘Kil2’. Puke. I also found out, after the fact, that Kil2 had been involved in some kind of corp theft which meant I had to deal with negative reputation issues for years afterwards."


They hinted that maybe there might be a feature where you could change a character's name with the larger SP and Character Bazaar changes. I'm assuming it would be the buyer of a new character during a character transfer sale. Unfortunately, the above sentences are the only piece of information we have in relation to name changes (in that blog, that is). I think we need more information on this as name changing in EVE would be a big thing.

One abuse that I could see from this is a scammer that committed a scam and can simply transfer the scamming character over to another of his/her accounts and wipe the name clean with a new name. I'm indifferent about that so it doesn't bother me but I think that's worth pointing out.

I hope we can get some more information on this. Seems pretty big.




The history is part of the character. When you buy the character you are also buying the history of that character and all the baggage that goes with it.

So when you buy the character the history should stay intact.

As for changing the name I don't see any reason why you can't, all what needs to happen is a note in the history to say what the old name was.
Dyllan Ma'tar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2015-11-14 06:15:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Dyllan Ma'tar
Avvy wrote:

As for changing the name I don't see any reason why you can't, all what needs to happen is a note in the history to say what the old name was.


Because that would threaten the easy money of established players. I'm sure a few also have built up a self image based on EVE as being a "hard core" game. So this probably threatens those few on an irrational and personal level. I'll say it again, the only difference from a name change service and the character bazaar is investment in time, money, and difficulty of acquisition. In principle they are the same.
Johan Civire
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#48 - 2015-11-14 06:41:03 UTC
So long we can see what the "original name was" i do not care. I don`t want to play dice with other "corporation members" that may or may not be a spy aka pirate or just a stealer. Those names needs to be on the black list of eve. Non trust players and caught by hand need to stay on the list not easy quick name change.
Avvy
Doomheim
#49 - 2015-11-14 12:01:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Avvy
Dyllan Ma'tar wrote:
Avvy wrote:

As for changing the name I don't see any reason why you can't, all what needs to happen is a note in the history to say what the old name was.


Because that would threaten the easy money of established players. I'm sure a few also have built up a self image based on EVE as being a "hard core" game. So this probably threatens those few on an irrational and personal level. I'll say it again, the only difference from a name change service and the character bazaar is investment in time, money, and difficulty of acquisition. In principle they are the same.



You can change your name easily and legally in the real world, so why not in Eve?

All you end up with is a piece of paper stating that you changed it, with your former name and new name and some signatures including witnesses signatures.

So having a note in the history isn't really any different.




Edit:

I think part of the reason probably was because you don't get to choose your name at birth, so as an adult you should be free to be called what you want to be called.

Which is like buying characters from the bazaar, you didn't choose the name at its birth/creation so you should be free to call it what you want (as long as it is within the EULA).


Edit 2:

Just to be clear about my first edit, all characters should be able to change their name at a cost. In the real world it costs, so I don't see why it shouldn't cost here. Plus if a cost is attached it will stop people just changing it for the sake of it.
Moac Tor
Cyber Core
Immediate Destruction
#50 - 2015-11-14 12:51:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Moac Tor
You should be able to wipe your characters identity.... but you lose 20% of your total SP in the process. Has a dual benefit of making it relatively painless for newer players and more unforgiving for highly skilled advanced players.

On top of the PLEX you pay to the CCP that should be enough of a deterrent to stop abuse.

One thing I really don't want to see is they implement this and make it traceable, it is annoying enough already to scroll through corp history when trying to PvP, let alone a full history of the various names a character has had.

Also if they do this then they can completely scrap the terrible skill trading proposal.
Avvy
Doomheim
#51 - 2015-11-14 12:53:28 UTC
Moac Tor wrote:
You should be able to wipe your characters identity.... but you lose 20% of your total SP in the process.

On top of the PLEX you pay to the CCP that should be enough of a deterrent to stop abuse.

One thing I really don't want to see is they implement this and make it traceable, it is annoying enough already to scroll through corp history when trying to PvP, let alone a full history of the various names a character has had.

Also if they do this then they can completely scrap the terrible skill trading proposal.



Definitely not, the history should stay intact.

Changing a name is one thing, wiping out its history is another.
Moac Tor
Cyber Core
Immediate Destruction
#52 - 2015-11-14 12:56:32 UTC
Avvy wrote:
Moac Tor wrote:
You should be able to wipe your characters identity.... but you lose 20% of your total SP in the process.

On top of the PLEX you pay to the CCP that should be enough of a deterrent to stop abuse.

One thing I really don't want to see is they implement this and make it traceable, it is annoying enough already to scroll through corp history when trying to PvP, let alone a full history of the various names a character has had.

Also if they do this then they can completely scrap the terrible skill trading proposal.



Definitely not, the history should stay intact.

Changing a name is one thing, wiping out its history is another.

Like I said losing 20% is enough of a deterrent to stop abuse. It is effectively a different character in practical purposes with such a big chunk of SP being removed.

I was hoping it would register that my proposal was pretty harsh against name change, you didn't seem to understand that though.
Avvy
Doomheim
#53 - 2015-11-14 13:00:57 UTC
Moac Tor wrote:
Avvy wrote:
Moac Tor wrote:
You should be able to wipe your characters identity.... but you lose 20% of your total SP in the process.

On top of the PLEX you pay to the CCP that should be enough of a deterrent to stop abuse.

One thing I really don't want to see is they implement this and make it traceable, it is annoying enough already to scroll through corp history when trying to PvP, let alone a full history of the various names a character has had.

Also if they do this then they can completely scrap the terrible skill trading proposal.



Definitely not, the history should stay intact.

Changing a name is one thing, wiping out its history is another.

Like I said losing 20% is enough of a deterrent to stop abuse. It is effectively a different character in practical purposes with such a big chunk of SP being removed.

I was hoping it would register that my proposal was pretty harsh against name change, you didn't seem to understand that though.



Can you change your own history?

In witness protection they may give you a false one, but that doesn't mean your own history has altered.
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#54 - 2015-11-14 13:20:09 UTC
Dyllan Ma'tar wrote:
Gregor Parud wrote:
Dyllan Ma'tar wrote:
Most people say no, and their reasoning is faulty. We already have the Character Bazaar. Anyone looking to abandon a "tainted" name and pick up a new one can.

The usual counter argument?

"But someone had to invest time and money in that character and then sell it!"

Which means they are ok with it in principle; they just want to haggle over price and difficulty for it.

So maybe the question should be, how much should a name change cost in time and money?

Six plex and only once every 10 million sp?

But please people, give up this faux purist stance. It makes you look dumb.


That's a lot of nonsense you typed there. But keep trying, perhaps someday you'll come up with logic and reasoning that doesn't sound silly.


Ad hominem to you too.


If you choose to not type nonsense I'll be happy to discuss/counter your points made. till then I'll just call it for what it is.
Avvy
Doomheim
#55 - 2015-11-14 14:05:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Avvy
The purpose of the name change I've been talking about, is so that a player may alter the name, because they don't like the name the character has.

It's not to try and remove itself from its past deeds.


Hence why a note of the old name needs to be in its history.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#56 - 2015-11-14 18:27:10 UTC
What's the point in a name change if you can't change it to Mr Epeen?

And you can't. It's mine and I'll never, ever give it up.

Mr Epeen Cool
Vilar Diin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#57 - 2015-11-14 20:01:33 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Well the op clearly needs to train "reading comprehension V " pronto, but that aside I'll chirp in again in favour of the notion of changing a name with the caveat that the old name is easily accessible and it has no impact on standings,watchlists ect ec.

Yeah yeah, conciquences and all that but where it really matters you will check to see any previous aliases


It's simple enough just add a tab entitled "known Aliases". It would actually add more depth to the game since people adopt different names for various reason in real life.
Vilar Diin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#58 - 2015-11-14 20:03:26 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
What's the point in a name change if you can't change it to Mr Epeen?

And you can't. It's mine and I'll never, ever give it up.

Mr Epeen Cool


You always make it sound as if it's all about you... Blink
Avvy
Doomheim
#59 - 2015-11-14 20:14:47 UTC
Vilar Diin wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Well the op clearly needs to train "reading comprehension V " pronto, but that aside I'll chirp in again in favour of the notion of changing a name with the caveat that the old name is easily accessible and it has no impact on standings,watchlists ect ec.

Yeah yeah, conciquences and all that but where it really matters you will check to see any previous aliases


It's simple enough just add a tab entitled "known Aliases". It would actually add more depth to the game since people adopt different names for various reason in real life.



Why add a tab, when it could be just one line in the history (per name)? Most characters will probably never have a name change.
Dyllan Ma'tar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#60 - 2015-11-15 02:10:29 UTC
Avvy wrote:
Dyllan Ma'tar wrote:
Avvy wrote:

As for changing the name I don't see any reason why you can't, all what needs to happen is a note in the history to say what the old name was.


Because that would threaten the easy money of established players. I'm sure a few also have built up a self image based on EVE as being a "hard core" game. So this probably threatens those few on an irrational and personal level. I'll say it again, the only difference from a name change service and the character bazaar is investment in time, money, and difficulty of acquisition. In principle they are the same.



You can change your name easily and legally in the real world, so why not in Eve?

All you end up with is a piece of paper stating that you changed it, with your former name and new name and some signatures including witnesses signatures.

So having a note in the history isn't really any different.




Edit:

I think part of the reason probably was because you don't get to choose your name at birth, so as an adult you should be free to be called what you want to be called.

Which is like buying characters from the bazaar, you didn't choose the name at its birth/creation so you should be free to call it what you want (as long as it is within the EULA).


Edit 2:

Just to be clear about my first edit, all characters should be able to change their name at a cost. In the real world it costs, so I don't see why it shouldn't cost here. Plus if a cost is attached it will stop people just changing it for the sake of it.


History should definitely be retained, I agree completely. The bazaar is actually more OP then a name change in that respect. Not only that, but any name search should pop you up in a result window if the name searched is in that history.