Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I'm with you on that. Experience tells us "if you get personally insulted; the person insulting you has absoulutely nothing of sense to say at all"

All those flame posts have to be deleted and the writers banned for at least a week.

Honestly,

Jitoru

ban npc forum alts from csm forums (and F&I)

You're wrong I don't write my idea for the players but CCP devs. So why I should give a damn about convincing some player that my idea is good?
Well-founded criticism and discussion is one thing, but trolls I ignore, and so you should too.

This is actually one of the best responses I've seen here; though they all have merit; save that NPC forum alt nonsense, which has no relevence to the thread and is just plain troll.

I happen to agree with Nestara as well; for reasons I'll explain later.

You effectively break down the basic requirements of player expectations for certain hardcore enthusiasts, and those who have some idea of the mechanics of the game and how they may be broken and allow for exploits, or just what won't work with a given idea.

That's generally what I consider constructive criticism. "Core principles of the game," on the other hand, is just a way of saying "This is my sandbox; play my way or gtfo." Unfortunately, this game was designed with more than just one person in mind, and is intended to be marketed to a multi-player audience. One way of playing the game isn't enough.

As for the bolded text above, I have to agree to some extent; at least with regards to word choice, Caps, and general attitude being easily identifiable. The fact is though, that many people post reasonable arguments to mechanics changes and get shot down; by the very same people who post their own ideas for mechanics changes important to them.

Your later post indicates players should duke it out, and this is an unspoken rule on the forums. I'd like to contest that.

CCP Devs have clearly outlined the principles of the F&I forum, and how they expect things to work. There is no unspoken rule, except amongst the player community who chooses to abuse those rules. This same community, is responsible for blackmailing and harrassing, as well as holding the very game hostage from time-to-time.

That's not an unspoken rule of conduct in my mind; but rather, an unspoken understanding between the Devs and those players; that if they-the players-do not get their way, there will be trouble.

Fact, causing excessive server load and node crashes intentionally, even as a form of player protest by roughly 1% of the community; is against the rules, and a bannable offense. Unfortunately, it's very hard to ban 3500 people and balance the chequebooks, so the Devs tried to find an amicable solution. Really, it's just hostage taking.



- There it is. I was actually looking for that one the other day too; though for different reasons.

So, forgive me if I don't give your "Unspoken Rule," any credence.

Really, players who deliberately derail topics and focus fire on the OP and any who agree with him/her, are really just doing one thing: Restricting potential development.

It's not that all the ideas are good, or that they don't deserve and sometimes even need a healthy dose of criticism; it more that the ideas presented here are really for one purpose; whether used in full or merely taken note of. They are ideas; intended to focus thought.

Blatant disregard for an individuals opinion and ideas does not really qualify as criticism. I've read some of your responses to recent threads here, and have noticed that you are more interested in putting down the individual than the idea in many cases. How would you define that?

It doesn't really matter if the idea is good or if it is terrible, when your posts lack argument. The intent, is to define why the idea is bad. Should you do that effectively, perhaps someone might find an alternative to that idea, taking your thoughts into consideration.

Maybe on the other hand, the idea will be discarded as wholy unsound; whether you convince the player who posted of that is irrelevent. The Devs will make the final decision based on their knowledge of the game mechanics, intended direction of the game, and consideration for value and balance of the suggested idea.

Perhaps it will inspire them to a much better idea, that need not be entirely related, but instead deals with something else in the game. You'll never know; will you? Unfortunately the thread died, got archived, and went entirely unnoticed; or better yet, the Devs were afraid to implement any part of it after seeing players thrash it because it didn't fit there specific interests and/or playstyle.

Then you should be banning any and all major alliances that pack in as many people as they can into one system until the server suicides.

Oh yeah... that "1% of the community"... yeah... that was more like 10%+. Subscription rates took a noticeable dive after Incarna and there were quite a few threads of people who had cancelled their accounts in protest (I believe one thread kept count and had tallied about 5,000 accounts).



Do you remember how you thought "love" was supposed to be when you were young? Do you remember how crushed you were when you realized that your ideals did not match the reality?
Yeeeeaaaaah... this is one of those cases.

I'm not sure I recall what I thought of love when I was young; I'm not sure what I think of it now, truth be told.

edit: I also thought of the alliances; but really, that is a function of game mechanics colliding with server capabilities, rather than intentional abuse of game policies and rules.

Also, there is node reinforcing; which the Devs request you ask for when planning a major battle. Even if it doesn't stop the node from overloading, they can at least save the server. That particular one is watercooled now from what I've seen.

Personally, I know it's bloody expensive, but I'd consider watercooling all the servers; or at least a majority of them, and supercool the ones that are used for node reinforcing. Maintain Standard watercooling loops on the majority, and Thermo-electric cooling combined with watercooling to subzero for the fleet battles and the like. Overclock and enjoy.

j/k even stable overclocks can corrupt/damage files if they are unattended and something goes wrong. Best thing going for servers tends to be data array access speeds and error-checking/parity/redundant arrays. Keeping the components cool is equally important.

OCs just give more headroom at the cost of power consumption and potential issues. Fun for a home PC; not sure I'd try it on a server.

Having also read your replies, I would have to say I don't count you as one of those. I'm more interested in the ones that do more than simply say no to an idea. I've never noticed you to do more than that, in the some 30+ responses I've read of yours.

No is a voting system; kind of like +1. You seem to have a very negative attitude about it here though; but that's likely because you think I might mean people like you.

Very few people get there feelings hurt by people saying "This is a bad idea; Not supported."

If the terribleness of an idea is self evident there's no reason for me to waste pixels and bandwidth and the time of the other readers explaining it.

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