EVE General Discussion

FAX Machines are larger ships aren't they?

Also in recent times:

Barghest
Stratios
Nestor
Bowhead

It hasn't all been small ships.

Combat BCs just rebalanced and the Barghest receiving a buff in December.

I'd be happy with a balance pass on Battleships, but what's missing in terms of capabilities?

Battleships are like this.


The kind that do damage and take damage.

The kind that do damage and dont take damage.

The kind that take damage and get jammed.

The kind that bridge and get called as primary.


In the world of T3, it's fairly clear that T3 ships pretty much automatically win against anything their own size and have a fairly realistic shot at killing anything above them. So where would this leave T3 Battleships?

They are going to be too slow to disengage from smaller ships, so when they get primaried they would die just the same as any other battleship, but with a bigger pricetag than a carrier most likely. If they are intended to just sit there and take tons of damage and deal tons of damage, well, that's pretty much the same thing as a dread or marauder but better because it can hit smaller targets too. So it would make other things redundant.

What is left? You can make it so it can kill capital ships. But now you've got a cap-killing monstrosity that isn't hindered by gates, and if such a vessel is capable of killing caps surely it can also kill anything smaller than it as well. You create a monster vessel that dominates the meta.

No matter what you do with a T3 battleship it will either be useless or OP as balls. Right now, caps pretty much are the T3 battleship and introducing something inbetween them is just going to create vast levels of butthurt all around.

In terms of just adding more T2, what role is really left for a vessel of that size? I guess they could implement a ship with really big and slow guns that deal random damage to turrets/modules on an enemy ship. That could be fairly trollish.

Caps would disagree with you there.

T3 Flagships (battleships).

The problem isn't that we need a battleship specialised towards fighting small ships, but they all need more tricks to allow them to survive or hit small gangs.

The MJD for instance was a big addition to battleship PvP, unfortunately this is being nerfed in the meta with the proposed 37.5km HIC scram range. But yes more stuff like the MJD; battleship (and perhaps battlecruiser) specific modules that allow them to negate or hurt smaller ships are needed. And then release new hulls after that.

I much prefer flying smaller ships, so I'm happy that CCP keeps giving them love.

New ships are all well and good but how many new roles can be found for them? The problem is that Eve, like most other combat MMOs use the tried and true "holy trinity" formula of tanks, damage dealers and healers. All of those bases are already covered by the well over 100 different ships currently in game. By continuing to create more ships that do more or less the same things all CCP is doing is causing overlap in roles and obsoleting older ships with new ones. Doesn't seem very efficient to me.

Maybe better to go back and evaluate what we have currently and try to more sharply define roles for them and try to balance out their capabilities than chasing the grail of "new and improved" ships?

Id say lowering sig resolution on BS sized turrets would be a good starting point. Or make the lowest tier gun have lower sig resolution. Like dual 425s for example. They are technically x2 medium sized guns on one turret. Why the huge increase in resolution?

Current sig resolution on large turrets = 425

Medium turret resolution = 125

Dropping it down to 300-325 would be easy to apply and allow turret BS to compete with things like RHML ships and drone boats. Which arent as limited by application. Would still prevent them from getting really crazy with tracking but isnt quite as big a barrier.as a 425 sig resolution.

Because expensive stuff is fun but not fun to lose.

What Barghest buff??