Missions & Complexes

Oddly, what you find you can make in high sec is not that far off what you can make in null with the exact same number of characters. The BEST subcapital ratting ship (The Vindicator) in the best possible situation (a Guristas system with multiple rock/pirate gate havens, ring sanctuims and/or forsaken hubs) can maybe crack 100mil solo if you are paying strict attention. For the rest (Machs, Rattlesnakes, RHML Fleet Phoons etc), 25 mil ticks (75 mil per hour) is the norm. You get occasional escalations and commander spawns that are then subject to the RNG Gods. And thats just GOOD PVErs, the scrubs are making 45-60 mil per hour and thinking they are banking lol.

And that's the point. I went back to null because CCP accidentally fixed null (for me, not for everyone) by upping the escalation chances, so even though it's hit or miss I can make the kind of isk I like. But I could still be in high sec making WAY easier isk on the same level, with fewer characters and WAY less chance of interference, which is why so much if high sec (and faction warfare) are null sec isk making alts in disguise.




I can speak for those places (and high sec), I have literally spent the last 8 years of my life PVEing everywhere I can in EVE. There arte so many ways to get rich, many of them aren't that fun though (carrier blitzing lvl 5s is awesome isk but damn it it's tedious and boring). To be honest, it irks the hell out of me that you get people who have never expanded much outside of their PVE niche trying to tell others what's what when they barely know themsevles (not you Arthur lol).

Honest PVE jocks with broad based experience recognize (and admit) the terrible rewards imbalances this game has. That doesn't mean we don't exploit them, I still have an alt in Lanngisi that has Jump Clones in Apanake and Osmon (useful for when I exhaust all the reasonable buy orders in Lann, which I have done lol) and I still have another alt sitting in my incursion Vindi. I 'live' in null because it's more fun, and fighting for my PVE space makes it worth while (if you go to a killboard I'm on, you will see that most fighting I do is in one constellation in Wicked Creek).



On a side note, history repeats itself. Back when there was a bug that allowed for high sec lvl 5 missions, you had people totally arguing that it was totally not unbalanced. You could usually find those high sec lvl 5 proponents in Rattlesnakes doing high sec lvl 5 missions while they posted on this forum about how they were totally not unbalanced lol.

If you want staggering income you need to try bomber blitzing FW level 4 missions.

Null blows, and has for years. Best isk making content should be out there, and as far as I can tell at the individual scale it hasn't been for as long as I've been playing. Burners could probably pay out about half of what they do in highsec, and highsec would still probably be on top. I do like highsec content as I can log in and mess around for a short period, as I often have times where I can't play much, and that makes it hard to join a null corp. I'm sure there are plenty that would take me, but I'm not sure I'd want to join with limited time. My main idea I've posted before is to add some group pve in null that is good income. How exactly to do that and have it pay out I haven't fully thought out. probably leave anoms mostly as they are so people can do solo activities if they have limited time, or semi afk.

Looking at corp/alliance level isk making opportunities is something isn't something I've really done. Obviously moon mining can be huge, but looking at corp taxes, Custom offices, and station income would be interesting. I imagine corp/alliance income trickles down in the form of SRP and other incentives for pilots. Plus there are people to play with. If I was getting SRP I don't know that it would matter as much to me if I was making 100 or 200 mil/hour.

in many ways LP is nice as it is a self balancing system. too easy to farm -> prices go down. if it is more difficult to get, or something becomes in high demand values should go up. I am unsure how I feel about concord LP as it can be converted to empire LP at a rate of 1 -> 0.8 In some cases this prevents huge surges, and provides volume on corps that don't have good agents, but also makes running for some corps not really worth it as the LP is effectively capped. I just isn't worth it to leave optimal conditions for a minor LP bump, but maybe it would be for a 50% lp bump.

as far as dual boxing goes I would think a tick/tock style of play might work. fight a burner while traveling on another character. it isn't too much effort to reach over and click jump on the next gate while fighting the current burner. Just don't try fighting 2 burners at once, unless you are damn good.


Regarding isk sinks/faucets I wrote this for another post but it was going a bit off topic there, maybe a little more useful here:

With burners LP is somewhere between 50-66% of the payout including bounty, reward, and bonuses, My reward ratio is roughly 100mil isk to 100k lp. HQ Incursions pay out 45m isk and 10k LP * the ratio looks like 70% in highsec with a 40man fleet? 22-44%. Both calculated using 1000-2000 isk/lp for the high and low end. In conventional stores each LP cashed in sinks ~400 isk for most items, and Implants sink 1000isk/lp, concord store is mostly implants and most items in there follow that rate.

so for every 100mil liquid generated by burners I sink 40mil cashing out lp. using the incursion ratio for every 100mil liquid made in an incursion 22.2mil isk is sunk

Off hand I think its 1mil+ LP for 3 hours work in a hound. I have seen claims of 600 mil/hr a few times by people but I honestly haven't tried to do that myself.

Then again, incursion abuse can still happen.

Carriers would still be able to use drones with even better bonuses at the expense of losing their logi capabilities last I heard.....unless CCP changed their minds again from that last blog.

Drones no, fighters yes (and fighters are getting some sort of revamp too)

will they be effective at ratting I have no idea, but if they are I highly doubt they will be afkable.

kinda the whole point of FW


well that plus cap reps only being "effective" in triage, plus a refitting nerf. I dunno about the more alts thing, but something is up.

Ratting Dreadnoughts?

Possible, I'm more interested in nano dreads





This is already the case.

Capital sized MWDs/ABs with nanofibers/rigs and High Angle Guns, controlling transversal like an over-sized Machariel. It'd depend on the damage the HAG can put out out of siege. Last I heard in siege it'd be what, 3k dps? Ratting Rev with Scotch? Swaglfar with Hail? Null Moros? I wonder if they'll do RCML (Rapid Cruise Missile Launchers)?