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Hiasa Kite
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#181 - 2015-11-12 11:52:20 UTC
Daret wrote:
I have never personally been the victim of a bumper

Congratulations, somehow you've managed to find a position even less qualified to talk about game balance than incompetent freighter pilots.

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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#182 - 2015-11-12 12:21:02 UTC
Teckos Pech wrote:
You know what I find amusing about these threads? Three things. The first is that those who do the complaining have not, apparently considered the concept of an evolutionary arms race.

Quote:
...an evolutionary arms race is an evolutionary struggle between competing sets of co-evolving genes, traits, or species, that develop adaptations and counter-adaptations against each other, resembling an arms race, which could be, and often are, described as examples of positive feedback.


In this case, we have people whine incessantly to CCP about ganking, and insurance, and how it is all so unfair. CCP nerfs it, and those doing the ganking respond by adapting and getting even better and finding a new method (a large number of ultra cheap high DPS ships along with bumping).

So, the people getting ganked come back and demand that somebody else (CCP) take care of the problem the last nerf was supposed to fix. In short, these people put on a pathetic display of entitlement and self-righteousness while stamping their feet about how they are right and everyone else is wrong...all the while doing, literally, nothing to solve their problems themselves.

We have in one corner the gankers who are:

1. Organized,
2. Well versed in game mechanics,
3. Spending time/effiort setting things up to do ganks.

In the other corner we have the "victims" who:

1. Refuse to organize themselves.
2. Refuse to learn game mechanics.
3. Do not want to spend anything but minimal time/effort to accomplish their goals.

The latter corner also always runs to CCP saying that just one more nerf! Just one more! Give us this one more thing and it will be balanced....until somebody figures out how to gank a ship with the new rule change in which case the crowd of entitled and self-righteous come asking for yet another nerf. For this latter group their standard cant is, the game is not balanced until you implement my preferred nerf...then it will be balanced...until I come asking for yet another nerf...and yet another and another.

And the really amusing thing....these players do not need to be as organized as CODE. and the like. They just need a scout, maybe a webbing alt, and that is about it. If they wanted to be pro-active 10 guys in catalysts would melt your typical bumping machariel. A machariel hull costs about 5x that of 10 catalysts. These players can put billions in a freighter but can't spare a few million for a few catalysts? Really?

You guys deserve everything you get at the hands of players in game.



You say freighter pilots always run to CCP looking for handouts? I'd rather listen to the low din of the collective freighter pilot whine than that continuous high pitched super pilot squeeeeeeel. Those super pilot Beeches can now dock their supers (in citadels). That's like a 6 year whine to get rid of a game mechanic that was clearly written on the label starting on day 1.

You can say what you want on either side of the bumping argument, but you (being a member of exec outcomes) complaining about frighter pilots in empire crying about one more nerf is assaninical.

Before you call empire pilots whiners that lobby CCP - go clean your own house. I'll give you some starting points:
1. Jump fatigue whining
2. Jump freighter wining
3. Super whining
4. BLOPS whining

Any player in a null corp whining about empire folks whining is absurdly laughable. GO FISH you hypocritical ninny.
Xe'Cara'eos
A Big Enough Lever
#183 - 2015-11-12 13:48:39 UTC
I do think that bumping in HS is unbalanced, but it takes another player to bump you, so it should take another player to undo that bumping - perhaps something like a remote higgs anchor that can only be used in HS?

For posting an idea into F&I: come up with idea, try and think how people could abuse this, try to fix your idea - loop the process until you can't see how it could be abused, then post to the forums to let us figure out how to abuse it..... If your idea can be abused, it [u]WILL[/u] be.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#184 - 2015-11-12 14:04:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Mag's
Xe'Cara'eos wrote:
I do think that bumping in HS is unbalanced, but it takes another player to bump you, so it should take another player to undo that bumping - perhaps something like a remote higgs anchor that can only be used in HS?
It's already the case that another player can assist in undoing bumping.

So another can almost guarantee your chances of avoiding being bumped. Plus another player can assist in undoing a bump.
If you meant bumping was unbalanced in favour of the freighter pilots, you may have a point.

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DRAKON ISMENIAN
New Eden Exploration and Uprising Syndicate
#185 - 2015-11-12 20:20:57 UTC
This whole issue is very easy to fix for everyone.

Fix the bumping mechanics formula and remove warp to zero on gates reverting back to the good old warp to 15km. then using the improved bumping mechanics make gates bump ships back if they hit them as they try to use book marks as the warp to zero..

same for stations.. cos it seems everyone feels like big mass objects are hard to move in zero G space by small mass objects.
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#186 - 2015-11-12 20:30:27 UTC
DRAKON ISMENIAN wrote:
This whole issue is very easy to fix for everyone.


"Fix" implies the existance of a problem. I've never once seen anyone articulate an actual problem with bumping beyond "Boo hoo! Not whant!".

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#187 - 2015-11-12 23:25:38 UTC
Serendipity Lost wrote:
Teckos Pech wrote:
You know what I find amusing about these threads? Three things. The first is that those who do the complaining have not, apparently considered the concept of an evolutionary arms race.

Quote:
...an evolutionary arms race is an evolutionary struggle between competing sets of co-evolving genes, traits, or species, that develop adaptations and counter-adaptations against each other, resembling an arms race, which could be, and often are, described as examples of positive feedback.


In this case, we have people whine incessantly to CCP about ganking, and insurance, and how it is all so unfair. CCP nerfs it, and those doing the ganking respond by adapting and getting even better and finding a new method (a large number of ultra cheap high DPS ships along with bumping).

So, the people getting ganked come back and demand that somebody else (CCP) take care of the problem the last nerf was supposed to fix. In short, these people put on a pathetic display of entitlement and self-righteousness while stamping their feet about how they are right and everyone else is wrong...all the while doing, literally, nothing to solve their problems themselves.

We have in one corner the gankers who are:

1. Organized,
2. Well versed in game mechanics,
3. Spending time/effiort setting things up to do ganks.

In the other corner we have the "victims" who:

1. Refuse to organize themselves.
2. Refuse to learn game mechanics.
3. Do not want to spend anything but minimal time/effort to accomplish their goals.

The latter corner also always runs to CCP saying that just one more nerf! Just one more! Give us this one more thing and it will be balanced....until somebody figures out how to gank a ship with the new rule change in which case the crowd of entitled and self-righteous come asking for yet another nerf. For this latter group their standard cant is, the game is not balanced until you implement my preferred nerf...then it will be balanced...until I come asking for yet another nerf...and yet another and another.

And the really amusing thing....these players do not need to be as organized as CODE. and the like. They just need a scout, maybe a webbing alt, and that is about it. If they wanted to be pro-active 10 guys in catalysts would melt your typical bumping machariel. A machariel hull costs about 5x that of 10 catalysts. These players can put billions in a freighter but can't spare a few million for a few catalysts? Really?

You guys deserve everything you get at the hands of players in game.



You say freighter pilots always run to CCP looking for handouts? I'd rather listen to the low din of the collective freighter pilot whine than that continuous high pitched super pilot squeeeeeeel. Those super pilot Beeches can now dock their supers (in citadels). That's like a 6 year whine to get rid of a game mechanic that was clearly written on the label starting on day 1.

You can say what you want on either side of the bumping argument, but you (being a member of exec outcomes) complaining about frighter pilots in empire crying about one more nerf is assaninical.

Before you call empire pilots whiners that lobby CCP - go clean your own house. I'll give you some starting points:
1. Jump fatigue whining
2. Jump freighter wining
3. Super whining
4. BLOPS whining

Any player in a null corp whining about empire folks whining is absurdly laughable. GO FISH you hypocritical ninny.


Wow...look at that. That is an amazing post where you try and turn things completely around. First off things like ganking have been nerfed. Concord times shortenend. Insurance payouts eliminated for ganking. Freighters getting buffed. And yet, here we have another thread where people are asking for yet another nerf to ganking/buff to freighters. Coupled with the complaint that ganking is even more common than it was...clearly a case of careful what you wish for. And clearly they have not learned the lesson yet either. But go ahead, try to shift the topic to something you feel you have a better chance at winning.

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XODIOS Katelo
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#188 - 2015-11-13 00:17:13 UTC
How about using a webbing alt and Istabs
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#189 - 2015-11-13 00:17:46 UTC
Serendipity Lost wrote:

You say freighter pilots always run to CCP looking for handouts?


Yes. Have a read through the hundred plus pages of the freighter rebalance thread if you don't believe me. Their tears were delicious, most of them really were fool enough to think they would get enough of a net buff that ganking would stop being a thing. They really did think that fittings would come at zero loss to them.

The best part is that, were it not for mynnna, the Goon CSM, (from whom CCP straight up copied the idea to give them lowslots) the changes would have been a straight up nerf to freighters across the board.

Seriously, every freighter pilot should contract mynnna an exotic dancer on the anniversary of that thread, that's how much he saved their whiny asses.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

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BABARR
Lowlife.
Snuffed Out
#190 - 2015-11-13 00:33:37 UTC
The problem is not the bumping,
The problem is the Hsec suicide.
Why?

Because the security status mech is just a pathetic giant joke.

You are -10 in Hsec area?
You just don't give a ****.
You can dock and undock whith ship, battlecruiser or even battleship if you want. Concord is just too slow. Concord allow you to dock in station, concord is a joke.
Local police is better than a joke, cause they usually web you before pointing, helping you to warp away.

You can buy or sell thing, you can manage a POS in pod, ect when you are -10.

And bored to be -10? just go buy some tag !

And i don't speak about KILLRIGHT systeme, who is total joke too, you see more ppl whith killright for scam than real killright.


CCP should give a REAL SENSE to the security status.
Whith an avergarde security status to a whole corporation or alliance, whith docking/undocking restriction, ect.

(And also the ability to fit a damage control on freighter)


The problem is CCP poop in his pants abouts that kind of "fix" cause ccp like to say "we have evil pirate in our game"
CCP : this is not pirate ! free ganking DON'T GIVE content, this is not even PVP ! cause simply you CAN'T HAVE REVENGE !
Revenge is the first motivational for ppl to go PVP !
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#191 - 2015-11-13 01:58:09 UTC
BABARR wrote:
The problem is not the bumping,
The problem is the Hsec suicide.
Why?

Because the security status mech is just a pathetic giant joke.

You are -10 in Hsec area?
You just don't give a ****.
You can dock and undock whith ship, battlecruiser or even battleship if you want. Concord is just too slow. Concord allow you to dock in station, concord is a joke.
Local police is better than a joke, cause they usually web you before pointing, helping you to warp away.

You can buy or sell thing, you can manage a POS in pod, ect when you are -10.

And bored to be -10? just go buy some tag !

And i don't speak about KILLRIGHT systeme, who is total joke too, you see more ppl whith killright for scam than real killright.


CCP should give a REAL SENSE to the security status.
Whith an avergarde security status to a whole corporation or alliance, whith docking/undocking restriction, ect.

(And also the ability to fit a damage control on freighter)


The problem is CCP poop in his pants abouts that kind of "fix" cause ccp like to say "we have evil pirate in our game"
CCP : this is not pirate ! free ganking DON'T GIVE content, this is not even PVP ! cause simply you CAN'T HAVE REVENGE !
Revenge is the first motivational for ppl to go PVP !



At -10 you can freely open fire on said gankers who I might add fly ships with no tank. Go take your revenge.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#192 - 2015-11-13 09:46:29 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
BABARR wrote:
The problem is not the bumping,
The problem is the Hsec suicide.
Why?

Because the security status mech is just a pathetic giant joke.

You are -10 in Hsec area?
You just don't give a ****.
You can dock and undock whith ship, battlecruiser or even battleship if you want. Concord is just too slow. Concord allow you to dock in station, concord is a joke.
Local police is better than a joke, cause they usually web you before pointing, helping you to warp away.

You can buy or sell thing, you can manage a POS in pod, ect when you are -10.

And bored to be -10? just go buy some tag !

And i don't speak about KILLRIGHT systeme, who is total joke too, you see more ppl whith killright for scam than real killright.


CCP should give a REAL SENSE to the security status.
Whith an avergarde security status to a whole corporation or alliance, whith docking/undocking restriction, ect.

(And also the ability to fit a damage control on freighter)


The problem is CCP poop in his pants abouts that kind of "fix" cause ccp like to say "we have evil pirate in our game"
CCP : this is not pirate ! free ganking DON'T GIVE content, this is not even PVP ! cause simply you CAN'T HAVE REVENGE !
Revenge is the first motivational for ppl to go PVP !



At -10 you can freely open fire on said gankers who I might add fly ships with no tank. Go take your revenge.
:EFFORT:

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Black Pedro
Mine.
#193 - 2015-11-13 10:37:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Black Pedro
BABARR wrote:
You are -10 in Hsec area?
You just don't give a ****.
You can dock and undock whith ship, battlecruiser or even battleship if you want. Concord is just too slow. Concord allow you to dock in station, concord is a joke.
Local police is better than a joke, cause they usually web you before pointing, helping you to warp away.
CONCORD are not there to defend you. They are not your personal security guard to protect you or chase after the criminals in this game. CONCORD is just there to punish actively aggressive actions in highsec - that is all.

It is up to you to protect your stuff. It is up to you to deliver justice upon the wrong-doers. And it is up to you to seek revenge. This is all by design.

As to the faction police, I am not sure what they are there to do besides stifle conflict. I guess they limit the limit outlaws from operating normally in highsec - running missions, mining and the like, but you'd think it would be better for a PvP game to allow outlaws to operate like that while free-to-shoot to anyone if they wanted. It would increase the chances for revenge and produce better, more interesting fights than are possible with the ever-present faction police always stepping in, but that is really off-topic for this thread which is about bumping.

BABARR wrote:
You can buy or sell thing, you can manage a POS in pod, ect when you are -10.

And bored to be -10? just go buy some tag !

And i don't speak about KILLRIGHT systeme, who is total joke too, you see more ppl whith killright for scam than real killright.
Tags/ratting cost money/time. POSes can be shot. Buying and selling will take place anyways no matter what restrictions you impose with alts.

I see no problems that can or need to be fixed here. As for killrights, they do work. When I participate in a CONCORD-prohibited killing in highsec I am forced to account for that killright. It limits/changes what I can do for the next 30 days, even if I am not an outlaw. The fact that some people use them creatively does not mean I am not at risk from the kill rights against me.

BABARR wrote:
CCP should give a REAL SENSE to the security status.
Whith an avergarde security status to a whole corporation or alliance, whith docking/undocking restriction, ect.

(And also the ability to fit a damage control on freighter)

There already is. Becoming a criminal comes with so many mechanistic consequences outlaws are basically limited to only that activity, and cannot even fight back effectively. They are sitting ducks for anyone who wants to explode them. Gankers are already forced to be organized and supported with alts/friends because of these penalties, so docking restriction would do little to change the balance and with these ultra-safe citadels on the horizon, gankers are going to have bases of operations to gank out of in highsec anyway. Lockouts would seriously hurt casual/new players and lowsec PvPers while only serving as a minor annoyance to professional gankers, one that will go away once they have access to these essentially 100% safe citadels.

And the DCU on freighters? Keep dreaming. Those abominations are already seriously OP in that (now that hyperdunking is gone) they require a minimum of a dozen or two players to even try to attack. CCP just rebalanced freighters few years ago and they clearly thought they were a tough enough nut to crack. If CCP decides freighters need a buff/change it ain't going to come in the form of more EHP.

BABARR wrote:
The problem is CCP poop in his pants abouts that kind of "fix" cause ccp like to say "we have evil pirate in our game"
CCP : this is not pirate ! free ganking DON'T GIVE content, this is not even PVP ! cause simply you CAN'T HAVE REVENGE !
Revenge is the first motivational for ppl to go PVP !

How is blowing up your ship and taking your stuff not a piratical act? Do I need to make you walk a gangplank or something as well?

Why can't you have revenge? In Eve Online you are not entitled to revenge by default though, you have to earn it. If someone evicts you from your wormhole, or comes and takes your moon mining POS, you are not automatically entitled to satisfaction. It was your job to protect your stuff, and if someone comes along to shoot/take it, c'est la vie. Sure, you can have your revenge, but you have to go after them where they are vulnerable. This is the same with highsec suicide ganking - that is just how Eve goes.

But I am glad we both agree that bumping isn't really an issue.

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Why Do They Gank?
BABARR
Lowlife.
Snuffed Out
#194 - 2015-11-13 14:19:36 UTC  |  Edited by: BABARR
baltec1 wrote:
[quote=BABARR]

At -10 you can freely open fire on said gankers who I might add fly ships with no tank. Go take your revenge.


Don't come here to troll, you KNOW you are safe, juste have to use insta undock and warping from safe to safe. (and that what you do)

You are a ganker and you come here to just defend your buisness.
And don't say i have a revenge to take, ganker never killed me.

The fact is the security status is a total joke.
Ganker now just shoot empty ship for the glory of killmail, and the don't take ANY risk for that. To be organized and a lot whith alt don't give you the "right" to don't take risk.
BABARR
Lowlife.
Snuffed Out
#195 - 2015-11-13 14:34:14 UTC  |  Edited by: BABARR
Black Pedro wrote:
masive bullshit.

Please don't come here and try to explain TO ME what is concord or other.
I did suicide gank years before you start to play this game.
I'am not a little carebear you can feed whith your dumbass speech.

You are just here to defend your buisness too.
https://zkillboard.com/character/93800117/

You don't care about the game, you just want your own confortble zone, even if you have to say bullshit on forum to keep it. Just read you crying about the idea to fit damage control on freighter is enought. ("boo boo don't remove my juicy target")

Come here and saying "KILLRIGHT WORK WELL" just prove how stupid and dishonest you are.

Come here saying "Tags/ratting cost money/time" is just a total joke. It's cost a very few isk and time, don't make me laught whith that.
Black Pedro
Mine.
#196 - 2015-11-13 15:51:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Black Pedro
BABARR wrote:
Black Pedro wrote:
masive bullshit.

Please don't come here and try to explain TO ME what is concord or other.
I did suicide gank years before you start to play this game.
I'am not a little carebear you can feed whith your dumbass speech.


From the New Pilot FAQ:

CCP wrote:
5.2 WHO IS CONCORD AND WHAT ROLE DO THEY PERFORM?
CONCORD can be considered to be the ‘space police’ who patrol the higher
security areas of New Eden. They take action against those who attack
others without justification and will hunt such miscreants down and destroy
them without mercy. However, their role is not to prevent an attack but to
punish an aggressor. Should you find yourself under fire from another pilot,
CONCORD may not arrive in time to help you, so it will be down to your skill
and the strength of your ship to prevail.


and:

CCP wrote:
7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY?
No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be
completely avoided. The safest systems are the ‘rookie systems’ where new
players start their journey in EVE. In high-sec systems, you are less likely
to be attacked since CONCORD will exact retribution on pilots who attack
another pilot without good reason. But, for example, if you are flying a ship
with a high value cargo, a player may attack you to destroy the ship and steal
anything from the wreck if they think that it’s worth the effort. Such attacks
are known as ‘ganking’ and if the profit they’ll make is sufficient, pilots are
willing to accept the expense of losing their ship to CONCORD and having
their security status lowered for their crimes. So it will be up to a pilot to remain
vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time.


CCP has made it crystal clear what the role of CONCORD is in this game and what your responsibilities are as a highsec resident to protect your ship. If you don't like it, your issue isn't with me but with CCP.

Don't shoot the messenger; don't hate the playa; yadda, yadda, yadda.

The 8 Golden Rules of Eve

Why Do They Gank?
BABARR
Lowlife.
Snuffed Out
#197 - 2015-11-13 16:45:34 UTC  |  Edited by: BABARR
Black Pedro wrote:


From the New Pilot FAQ:

CCP wrote:
5.2 WHO IS CONCORD AND WHAT ROLE DO THEY PERFORM?
CONCORD can be considered to be the ‘space police’ who patrol the higher
security areas of New Eden. They take action against those who attack
others without justification and will hunt such miscreants down and destroy
them without mercy. However, their role is not to prevent an attack but to
punish an aggressor. Should you find yourself under fire from another pilot,
CONCORD may not arrive in time to help you, so it will be down to your skill
and the strength of your ship to prevail.


and:

CCP wrote:
7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY?
No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be
completely avoided. The safest systems are the ‘rookie systems’ where new
players start their journey in EVE. In high-sec systems, you are less likely
to be attacked since CONCORD will exact retribution on pilots who attack
another pilot without good reason. But, for example, if you are flying a ship
with a high value cargo, a player may attack you to destroy the ship and steal
anything from the wreck if they think that it’s worth the effort. Such attacks
are known as ‘ganking’ and if the profit they’ll make is sufficient, pilots are
willing to accept the expense of losing their ship to CONCORD and having
their security status lowered for their crimes. So it will be up to a pilot to remain
vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time.


CCP has made it crystal clear what the role of CONCORD is in this game and what your responsibilities are as a highsec resident to protect your ship. If you don't like it, your issue isn't with me but with CCP.

Don't shoot the messenger; don't hate the playa; yadda, yadda, yadda.


Massive bullshit, once again.

I NEVER said Hsec should be safe.
I NEVER said concord should be the garant of total safety.

I said security status is a total joke

Read a bit more

CCP wrote:
7.2
[...]
But, for example, if you are flying a ship
with a high value cargo, a player may attack you to destroy the ship and steal
anything from the wreck if they think that it’s worth the effort
[...]


Thank you for this quote.
The fact is actually ganker kill target for NOTHING. No valuable loot, no valuable mods. Nothing. Just beacause "we can"
Why? cause it's too easy, cause it don't cost enought.


Black Pedro wrote:

Don't shoot the messenger; don't hate the playa; yadda, yadda, yadda.

WTF kid? i shoot the messenger when he came here saying "killright systeme not broken" and when he try to teach me how suicide ganking is difficult just to defend his little buisness, or when he cry like a little baby when i suggest to fit damage control on freighter.
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#198 - 2015-11-13 17:35:09 UTC
I think OP just wants to save the 10mil ISK for a mining permit he owes us. Seriously, it's only 10mil ISK per year OP! I mean how greedy can you be to start such a thread because of it?

Evil RatKid
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#199 - 2015-11-13 17:36:46 UTC
Teckos Pech wrote:
Serendipity Lost wrote:
Teckos Pech wrote:
You know what I find amusing about these threads? Three things. The first is that those who do the complaining have not, apparently considered the concept of an evolutionary arms race.

Quote:
...an evolutionary arms race is an evolutionary struggle between competing sets of co-evolving genes, traits, or species, that develop adaptations and counter-adaptations against each other, resembling an arms race, which could be, and often are, described as examples of positive feedback.


In this case, we have people whine incessantly to CCP about ganking, and insurance, and how it is all so unfair. CCP nerfs it, and those doing the ganking respond by adapting and getting even better and finding a new method (a large number of ultra cheap high DPS ships along with bumping).

So, the people getting ganked come back and demand that somebody else (CCP) take care of the problem the last nerf was supposed to fix. In short, these people put on a pathetic display of entitlement and self-righteousness while stamping their feet about how they are right and everyone else is wrong...all the while doing, literally, nothing to solve their problems themselves.

We have in one corner the gankers who are:

1. Organized,
2. Well versed in game mechanics,
3. Spending time/effiort setting things up to do ganks.

In the other corner we have the "victims" who:

1. Refuse to organize themselves.
2. Refuse to learn game mechanics.
3. Do not want to spend anything but minimal time/effort to accomplish their goals.

The latter corner also always runs to CCP saying that just one more nerf! Just one more! Give us this one more thing and it will be balanced....until somebody figures out how to gank a ship with the new rule change in which case the crowd of entitled and self-righteous come asking for yet another nerf. For this latter group their standard cant is, the game is not balanced until you implement my preferred nerf...then it will be balanced...until I come asking for yet another nerf...and yet another and another.

And the really amusing thing....these players do not need to be as organized as CODE. and the like. They just need a scout, maybe a webbing alt, and that is about it. If they wanted to be pro-active 10 guys in catalysts would melt your typical bumping machariel. A machariel hull costs about 5x that of 10 catalysts. These players can put billions in a freighter but can't spare a few million for a few catalysts? Really?

You guys deserve everything you get at the hands of players in game.



You say freighter pilots always run to CCP looking for handouts? I'd rather listen to the low din of the collective freighter pilot whine than that continuous high pitched super pilot squeeeeeeel. Those super pilot Beeches can now dock their supers (in citadels). That's like a 6 year whine to get rid of a game mechanic that was clearly written on the label starting on day 1.

You can say what you want on either side of the bumping argument, but you (being a member of exec outcomes) complaining about frighter pilots in empire crying about one more nerf is assaninical.

Before you call empire pilots whiners that lobby CCP - go clean your own house. I'll give you some starting points:
1. Jump fatigue whining
2. Jump freighter wining
3. Super whining
4. BLOPS whining

Any player in a null corp whining about empire folks whining is absurdly laughable. GO FISH you hypocritical ninny.


Wow...look at that. That is an amazing post where you try and turn things completely around. First off things like ganking have been nerfed. Concord times shortenend. Insurance payouts eliminated for ganking. Freighters getting buffed. And yet, here we have another thread where people are asking for yet another nerf to ganking/buff to freighters. Coupled with the complaint that ganking is even more common than it was...clearly a case of careful what you wish for. And clearly they have not learned the lesson yet either. But go ahead, try to shift the topic to something you feel you have a better chance at winning.



I didn't even adress the topic. It's just an elaborate call out saying you are a hypocritic ninny. I'm not really bothered by what happens to a freighter one way or the other. It's 6 of one, half a dozen of the other to me. My point is large null groups lobbying for stupid crap and getting it have done a lot more to ruin the game on a grand scale than anything that could be done for or against some dude hauling from Amarr to Jita. Let me extreme it for you. If suicide ganking were removed from the game - it wouldn't be unplayable. If freighter ganking was made so effortless that freighters never got used again - it wouldn't be unplayable. The only real value this whole argument has is entertainment. Both sides and the popcorn eaters know it deep down. It just doesn't matter.

CCP is currently in the process of drastically and painfully resetting all the SOV garbage that has been lobbied into the game over the past 5 years. JF whining saved their whiningasses and got them fatigue exempt - because 'null would fall apart'. Supers will be able to dock in citadels - because they couldn't accept clear concise game mechanics when the boarded the damn things. All that crap whining from your large SOV null end of the court and yet you come in here and talk down to freighter pilots for trying to get a leg up??? Shameful. Your team is out there actually pulling in laim and possibly game breaking concessions and you show up to take a dump on some guy trying to get tritanium to Jita. Laughable.
Ima Wreckyou
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The Conference
#200 - 2015-11-13 17:37:12 UTC
BABARR wrote:
Black Pedro wrote:
masive bullshit.

Please don't come here and try to explain TO ME what is concord or other.
I did suicide gank years before you start to play this game.
I'am not a little carebear you can feed whith your dumbass speech.

You are just here to defend your buisness too.
https://zkillboard.com/character/93800117/

You don't care about the game, you just want your own confortble zone, even if you have to say bullshit on forum to keep it. Just read you crying about the idea to fit damage control on freighter is enought. ("boo boo don't remove my juicy target")

Come here and saying "KILLRIGHT WORK WELL" just prove how stupid and dishonest you are.

Come here saying "Tags/ratting cost money/time" is just a total joke. It's cost a very few isk and time, don't make me laught whith that.

Calm down miner

Evil RatKid