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There Has Never Been A Better Time To Be A Miner...

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Intar Medris
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2015-11-10 16:56:54 UTC
In null sec. 70-80 million ISK per hour per toon. Even losing a Skiff this weekend wasn't much of a set back for me. I use to have to mine all week just to touch what I made this weekend. My advice quit being scared of getting blown up , and make the move to null.

Here's the math for you. Using an example of 5 hours a day 3 days a week and 3 toons.

70 million X 3 = 210 million an hour.

210 million X 5= 1.5 billion a day

1.5 billion X 3 = 4.5 Billion a week

I mined in high sec pretty much most of my time on EVE. I avoided null simply because before the risk to ISK ratio wasn't high enough. With recent and incoming changes it now is. What kind of demand do you think Citadels are going to put on the market? Huge demand. Quit grinding in high, and move to null where you'll make enough ISK to have have pew pew fun, and still have ISK leftover.

I try to be nice and mind my business just shooting lasers at rocks. There is just way too many asshats in New Eden for that to happen.

Eternity Mistseeker
Renegades of Eve
Aureus Alae
#2 - 2015-11-10 19:16:42 UTC
Your maths does not quite add up.
Intar Medris
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2015-11-10 19:58:02 UTC
Eternity Mistseeker wrote:
Your maths does not quite add up.



Should add that's with a maxed Hulk and boosts. I use Skiffs since they tank the null rats pretty good. It is also based of the best null ores, and there is more than enough of that to go around. Since currently I can't use ABC ore crystals I make 10 million ISK less an hour per toon. It is also based off refined value and not raw ore value. The difference between a Hulk and a Skiff with max boosts is only 6 cycles an hour. So between that and the fact I can't use ABC ore crystals then taking that into effect the math checks out.

I try to be nice and mind my business just shooting lasers at rocks. There is just way too many asshats in New Eden for that to happen.

SurrenderMonkey
The Exchange Collective
Solyaris Chtonium
#4 - 2015-11-10 20:08:10 UTC  |  Edited by: SurrenderMonkey
Intar Medris wrote:
Eternity Mistseeker wrote:
Your maths does not quite add up.



Should add that's with a maxed Hulk and boosts. I use Skiffs since they tank the null rats pretty good. It is also based of the best null ores, and there is more than enough of that to go around. Since currently I can't use ABC ore crystals I make 10 million ISK less an hour per toon. It is also based off refined value and not raw ore value. The difference between a Hulk and a Skiff with max boosts is only 6 cycles an hour. So between that and the fact I can't use ABC ore crystals then taking that into effect the math checks out.



Pretty sure they were talking about the part where you think 210 X 5 = 1500 instead of 1050. Consequently, your final tally is about 1.5 billion high.

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Intar Medris
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2015-11-10 20:21:11 UTC
SurrenderMonkey wrote:
Intar Medris wrote:
Eternity Mistseeker wrote:
Your maths does not quite add up.



Should add that's with a maxed Hulk and boosts. I use Skiffs since they tank the null rats pretty good. It is also based of the best null ores, and there is more than enough of that to go around. Since currently I can't use ABC ore crystals I make 10 million ISK less an hour per toon. It is also based off refined value and not raw ore value. The difference between a Hulk and a Skiff with max boosts is only 6 cycles an hour. So between that and the fact I can't use ABC ore crystals then taking that into effect the math checks out.



Pretty sure they were talking about the part where you think 210 X 5 = 1500 instead of 1050. Consequently, your final tally is about 1.5 billion high.


Opps Oops

I try to be nice and mind my business just shooting lasers at rocks. There is just way too many asshats in New Eden for that to happen.

Shiloh Templeton
Cheyenne HET Co
#6 - 2015-11-11 01:53:35 UTC
I agree that null sec mining is much improved, but how are you coming up with that 70M number? Mining Mercoxit?

How are you selling it?

Rowells
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#7 - 2015-11-11 03:01:14 UTC
Intar Medris wrote:
5 hours a day
No thank you, I already work 12 a day
Arianne Kass
Garoun Long-Term Capital Management
#8 - 2015-11-11 13:32:12 UTC
Shiloh Templeton wrote:
I agree that null sec mining is much improved, but how are you coming up with that 70M number? Mining Mercoxit?

How are you selling it?



Looking at the ore values on cerlestes site the number looks possible for a decent miner with T2 crystals and max Rorqual boosts when mining Spod or ABC ores. Of course you have to disregard the time spend hauling and the overhead of the boosting character.
Intar Medris
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2015-11-11 14:01:02 UTC
Arianne Kass wrote:
Shiloh Templeton wrote:
I agree that null sec mining is much improved, but how are you coming up with that 70M number? Mining Mercoxit?

How are you selling it?



Looking at the ore values on cerlestes site the number looks possible for a decent miner with T2 crystals and max Rorqual boosts when mining Spod or ABC ores. Of course you have to disregard the time spend hauling and the overhead of the boosting character.


My Corp also has a very good ore buyback program. I also keep my toons in the belt using Enormous Frieght Containers. With three toons I can fill one in about 45 mins.

Here is my formula

3600 (minutes in an hour) ÷ Cycle Time = Number Of Cycles In An Hour

Cycles In An Hour X m3 Mine Per Cycle = m3 Mined Per Hour

m3 Mined Per Hour ÷ m3 Of Each Unit Of Ore Type = Equals Units Of Ore Type Mined In An Hour

I then input the value for the last equation into the spreadsheet for my corp's buyback program to figure out my hourly total.

I try to be nice and mind my business just shooting lasers at rocks. There is just way too many asshats in New Eden for that to happen.

Shuma Makanen
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#10 - 2015-11-11 20:42:40 UTC
No thanks. I can still easily make billions in high sec mining with Skiffs and Orca. Granted it may not be as fast as null, but I don't have to be constantly pressing d-scan and looking over my shoulder waiting for death every minute either. I also don't have to make 137 jumps through a thousand gate camps to sell my ore.
Veronica VanRock
Perkone
Caldari State
#11 - 2015-11-11 23:47:22 UTC
Shuma Makanen wrote:
No thanks. I can still easily make billions in high sec mining with Skiffs and Orca. Granted it may not be as fast as null, but I don't have to be constantly pressing d-scan and looking over my shoulder waiting for death every minute either. I also don't have to make 137 jumps through a thousand gate camps to sell my ore.


Being in an Alliance takes care of most issues. For example we have a good intel channel which warns us if enemies show up. And if you mine with reds in system that's kind of your own fault. We have the option to sell our ores to the alliance or to local industrialists which takes care of the hauling issue. Let me know if you want to give Null a try, it beats High Sec mining hands down.
Ultim8Evil
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#12 - 2015-11-12 01:49:06 UTC
Shuma Makanen wrote:
No thanks. I can still easily make billions in high sec mining with Skiffs and Orca. Granted it may not be as fast as null, but I don't have to be constantly pressing d-scan and looking over my shoulder waiting for death every minute either. I also don't have to make 137 jumps through a thousand gate camps to sell my ore.


The irony in this statement is strong.

Mining in 0.0 is much safer than in highsec.

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Burrod Ondenther
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2015-11-12 07:55:12 UTC
Currently mining in a field just litered with eves most valuable minerals too mine and yet I'm alone. Besides an orca pilot reping me and an aliance member AFK in station I'm alone and will be that way for the next 12 hours. An odd neutral or hostile may enter occasionally but for 99.9% of my time out here where I'm situated no one bothers me, and the mining is very good.

Worst days are when we have worm holes, who bring in hostiles but besides those odd times null if you know the right people is a super profitable way to mine if not the most profitable. Why more don't do it is beyond me. I think people are simply scared, and don't like taking risks, but hell for the amount of isk to be earned and fun to be had why the hell not.

Too the one guy. talking about constantly hitting dscan. I'm typing this while I mine, no Dscan neccesry.
elise densi
Kyoto Industries
#14 - 2015-11-23 08:59:57 UTC
Shuma Makanen wrote:
No thanks. I can still easily make billions in high sec mining with Skiffs and Orca. Granted it may not be as fast as null, but I don't have to be constantly pressing d-scan and looking over my shoulder waiting for death every minute either. I also don't have to make 137 jumps through a thousand gate camps to sell my ore.



last time i used Dscan while mining is ... i cant even remember yes i do mine in nullsec having intel channels is awsome and knowing the systems near u

that said come have a talk with me if anyone is intrested in a decent home to stay with a good future of growing and a stable ore buy program and eazy access to highsec

since nullsec is safer then highsec these days.

did i told theres also max mining boosts avaliable ? cant miss out that also best refining station in eve manufacturing research hell who needs highsec when got all that.
RcTamiya
Magister Mortalis.
#15 - 2015-11-25 14:32:15 UTC
I can confirm as somebody who hunts miners and bears in 00 -> if they aint afk or dumb no way to catch them

So yes, it's safer in 00 than in high sec, populate 00, we need more prey :O
Super Miguel
Disposable Spies
Honorable Third Party
#16 - 2015-12-04 18:25:49 UTC
Intar Medris wrote:
In null sec. 70-80 million ISK per hour per toon. Even losing a Skiff this weekend wasn't much of a set back for me. I use to have to mine all week just to touch what I made this weekend. My advice quit being scared of getting blown up , and make the move to null.

Here's the math for you. Using an example of 5 hours a day 3 days a week and 3 toons.

70 million X 3 = 210 million an hour.

210 million X 5= 1.5 billion a day

1.5 billion X 3 = 4.5 Billion a week

I mined in high sec pretty much most of my time on EVE. I avoided null simply because before the risk to ISK ratio wasn't high enough. With recent and incoming changes it now is. What kind of demand do you think Citadels are going to put on the market? Huge demand. Quit grinding in high, and move to null where you'll make enough ISK to have have pew pew fun, and still have ISK leftover.


what kind of boost are u using? 70mil per pilot seems high
Captain Krunch Krunch
Impulse Industry Group
#17 - 2015-12-11 08:44:48 UTC
Honestly, i know the OP is just doing the math and not actually out there every day mining in null and pulling in those numbers.
I have mined all over Eve, and i will be damned if a freaking nuet or enough rats don't get me to dock up. Im talking about deep space null as well, where it takes several minutes with 5 T2 drones in my barge fighting off 3 or more rats. Sure i have made some isk vs time while mining in null, but like others have said, there is risk involved, not to mention shipping costs unless your building on site. Either way, all it takes is a swarm to come thru, and before you know it you have to move your whole operation and start all over.

Additionally, if your able to stay on grid long enough to fill your cargo with Spod or any other ABC ore it would be possible.
Lets do your math divided by 3 since i only run one account.
70 mill / 3 = 23.3 mill per hr, per toon, which also breaks down to 11.66666 mill per half hour. I suppose that makes sense, and i can hit about 80% of that in high sec with orca support mining Veld/Scordite in a T2 barge with pretty good skills. Oh and there is a crap ton of buyers who dont mind traveling to pick it up from you.

So if you could stay on grid consistently or up to 5 hrs a day, which is like a second job, i could see you pulling in about a billion isk that way. But i have rarely seen or lived in what was supposed to be a dead end, or "quiet" area and been left alone to mine juicy rocks all freaking day without some Neut coming in forcing me to dock up and play the waiting game. But i dont think there is much difference between what your doing and what most others in high sec are doing. You are getting nearly the same results, and your locked into mining so much in order to pay for your other accounts.

I agree that mining in null can be safer than high sec, but your constantly watching local, checking d-scan, and putting all your goods into a station that can be taken by the end of a week. Oh, did i mention the cloaky camper, you know, the A-hole who sits in your mining system every day, so guess what, time to clone jump to mining base #2, aka high sec..... Geesh,,,,, Whatever.
Kaska Iskalar
Doomheim
#18 - 2015-12-12 05:55:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaska Iskalar
Shuma Makanen wrote:
No thanks. I can still easily make billions in high sec mining with Skiffs and Orca. Granted it may not be as fast as null, but I don't have to be constantly pressing d-scan and looking over my shoulder waiting for death every minute either. I also don't have to make 137 jumps through a thousand gate camps to sell my ore.

Granted, I haven't played in a while, but you don't seem to have any idea how null works. The main thing you're looking at is intel. Local is secondary. D-scan isn't even a thing. Most of the time when someone is coming you know about it while they're still several systems away. I laughed at "waiting for death every minute". You mean some random dude wandering into your sov briefly about twice a day? And nobody makes 137 jumps to sell anything. That's what jump freighters are for. And that's if the alliance itself doesn't buy the ore from you. You've clearly gotten everything you "know" about null from high sec carebears sitting around a camp fire telling scary stories. I'm literally more scared of suicide gankers in high sec than I am anything in null. I don't know how you people handle the stress.

Captain Krunch Krunch wrote:
Additionally, if your able to stay on grid long enough to fill your cargo with Spod or any other ABC ore it would be possible.

There's no S in ABC.

Ultim8Evil wrote:
Shuma Makanen wrote:
No thanks. I can still easily make billions in high sec mining with Skiffs and Orca. Granted it may not be as fast as null, but I don't have to be constantly pressing d-scan and looking over my shoulder waiting for death every minute either. I also don't have to make 137 jumps through a thousand gate camps to sell my ore.


The irony in this statement is strong.

Mining in 0.0 is much safer than in highsec.

QFT. I've never had non-consensual PvP in null. I've lost plenty of ships in PvP fleets, but never when I was just trying to rat or something.
Daku Otsito
Otsito Response Team
#19 - 2015-12-15 10:55:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Daku Otsito
Hehe i love the mentality here, that's the reason most miners got caught with pants down when we rolled our null static, but i guess in the grand scheme of things it's inconsequential for the average miner and i haven't been in wh for a long time now.
SurrenderMonkey
The Exchange Collective
Solyaris Chtonium
#20 - 2015-12-15 17:28:11 UTC  |  Edited by: SurrenderMonkey
Captain Krunch Krunch wrote:

70 mill / 3 = 23.3 mill per hr, per toon, which also breaks down to 11.66666 mill per half hour.


The 70 million value was given as a per-character amount. The OP later multiplied it by 3 to reach the 3-character amount of 210.

Without opining on the validity of that amount, you took a value that was already normalized to a single character and then divided it by 3 "because [you] only run one account" and (more accurately) because you are very bad at math.

Care to try that again?

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