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To PvP or not PvP that is the question

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Avvy
Doomheim
#1 - 2015-11-10 13:29:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Avvy
Present character status.

Armor 0.49 M sp
11 skills all level 3+
Mechanics level 5

Electronic systems 0.78 M sp
12 skills all level 3+

Engineering 1.17 M sp
13 skills all level 3+
CPU management 5, weapon upgrades 5

Gunnery 1.13 M sp
17 skills all level 3+ (3 are cruiser skills)
Gunnery 5, small hybrid turrets 5, small projectile turrets 5
Presently training small energy turrets to 5

Missiles 0.64 M sp
13 skills all level 3+ (2 are cruiser skills)
Missile launcher operation 5

Navigation 0.94 M sp
7 skills all level 3+
Evasive manoeuvring 5, navigation 5

Rigging 0.23 M sp
10 skills all level 3

Scanning 0.33 M sp
7 skills all level 3+ (2 non-combat)

Shields 0.32 M sp
10 skills all level 3+

Spaceship command 0.41 M sp
10 skills all level 3+
Spaceship command 5

Note: Presently can fly all T1 frigates and destroyers plus shuttles.

Targeting 0.94 M sp
7 skills all level 3+
Target management 5

Near future training, rockets 5, Caldari frigates 5 and light missiles 5.

Note: Didn't add drones as they're only at 56k sp and will be trained at a later date, when I've switched attributes.


So with what's trained, which areas of space would be suitable?

I'm also considering trying the test server assuming people actually use it. Is it a mirror of the Eve universe or a much smaller one?
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#2 - 2015-11-10 13:36:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Gregor Parud
Any, it's more about what you know and where you want to be. You could solo in 0.0 space or clown around in high sec, perhaps do FW in low sec. Solo, small group or large fleet. It's all possible. So much rather than saying "what can I do with the skill options that I have atm" you should probably figure out the different forms of pvp and decide which you'd like best or sounds the most interesting, and then simply aim for that.

The test server is a full copy of normal server but for obvious reasons all the action is concentrated in one system really but you can fly around everywhere would you want to. Feel free to try stuff out but do realise that the test server is a bit silly, everyone uses super expensive implants and whatnot, because they can. And then there's the sad people who actually live/pvp there, in a fleet killing solo ppl trying or testing stuff. It's as terrible as it sounds so do use the test server but realise it's not necessarily like TQ at all.
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#3 - 2015-11-10 13:57:26 UTC
personally what i would do is go fw and learn to frigate pvp then hit nullsec when you feel like you know a thing or 2

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

Avvy
Doomheim
#4 - 2015-11-10 13:59:32 UTC
Thanks for the advice Gregor.

Gregor Parud wrote:
Feel free to try stuff out but do realise that the test server is a bit silly, everyone uses super expensive implants and whatnot, because they can. And then there's the sad people who actually live/pvp there, in a fleet killing solo ppl trying or testing stuff. It's as terrible as it sounds so do use the test server but realise it's not necessarily like TQ at all.


That's something I hadn't considered.
Avvy
Doomheim
#5 - 2015-11-10 14:01:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Avvy
Lan Wang wrote:
personally what i would do is go fw and learn to frigate pvp then hit nullsec when you feel like you know a thing or 2



Hi Lan,

Trying to stay away from FW, mainly because of the standing with the 4 races. Although like yourself people do say it a good place to learn.



Edit:

Don't really want to gain faction standing from the 4 races and don't really want to lose pirate faction standing.
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#6 - 2015-11-10 14:46:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Lan Wang
well im not sure about standings, i only care for my pirate standings personally. think you need to decide what it is you want to do in the game.

Test server doesn't allow non-consentual pvp so if you get shot on test server, report them.

feel free to come to null where i am and see what its like

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

Avvy
Doomheim
#7 - 2015-11-10 14:49:28 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
... i only care for my pirate standings personally.


Same as
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#8 - 2015-11-10 14:51:12 UTC
ill help you build up your angel cartel standings if you need

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

Avvy
Doomheim
#9 - 2015-11-10 14:55:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Avvy
Lan Wang wrote:
ill help you build up your angel cartel standings if you need



That would be great, thanks to the tutorials, it's the only one that's negative at the moment, although partially thanks to diplomacy at level 2.


They should have a pirate faction in FW.
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#10 - 2015-11-10 14:57:39 UTC
its been suggested a few times :(

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

Bastion Arzi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2015-11-10 16:16:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Bastion Arzi
as rick would probably say.

"be smart and survive"

but yes u can pvp, other people are in the same boat as you.

good work on the navigation skills, anything that affects ur speed is so important in pvp.

work on t2 guns. that should be a short train for u.

find information and find allies.

check the killboards for fits.

good luck to you.

edit - also test server can be emptyish (based on my limited experience with it) maybe best to fins a friend to hop on test server with you and try things out..
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2015-11-10 23:04:15 UTC
Avvy wrote:

So with what's trained, which areas of space would be suitable?

I am not sure that I understand this question. I'll answer what I think that you are asking.

Eve is not a progression game. You can go anywhere and do anything pretty much from day one. Mostly the limiting factor in Eve is you knowledge of the game. So you can go anywhere in Eve it's not like you need XXX number of skill points to go to low sec or something like that.

I will say that with very low skill points and living in wormhole space you will most likely be reliant on other players for somethings. However day tripping into wormholes that does not really apply I'm more talking living in a specific system. Other than that sure you won't be able to solo a 10 /10 DED site a week into the game but this is a group focused game so you really shouldn't be soloing those anyway even on a 10 year old character.
Avvy wrote:

I'm also considering trying the test server assuming people actually use it. Is it a mirror of the Eve universe or a much smaller one?

The test server is pretty much the exact same thing as TQ just not as many people on it. Also both TQ and SiSi only load up systems that are being used however on TQ most systems have someone log in on them within minutes after down time where as in SiSi many systems don't ever have anyone log on all day and therefore won't load all day long. The only significance is that you will sometime see a delay when jumping systems if you are head out away from people.

Other than that there are some different rules on SiSi like I don't think that you are allowed to engage in non-concentual PvP on SiSi.

Worth noting is that if your character has been created since the last mirrior then you might have to ask to have your character mirrored onto the test server. I don't think it's that big of a deal just wanted to note you might have to read up on that.

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Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#13 - 2015-11-11 08:15:41 UTC
not sure if you can still do it on sisi but type in the chat a word (cant remember) and they give you lvl 5 titan skills and all 4 titans where you are docked \o/

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

Cara Forelli
State War Academy
Caldari State
#14 - 2015-11-11 16:11:39 UTC
Avvy wrote:
Trying to stay away from FW, mainly because of the standing with the 4 races. Although like yourself people do say it a good place to learn.

You don't have to join FW to fight in FW space (one of the better places to find frig pvp).

Avvy wrote:
Note: Didn't add drones as they're only at 56k sp and will be trained at a later date, when I've switched attributes.

Don't worry about being so optimal. Pick a mapping that is good for most things you want and then train what you need, not what you are mapped for. Drones are something everyone should train pretty early on and t2 lights will be of use to quite a few frigs. Incursus, Tristan, Tormentor, Breacher, Crucifier....etc.

It's good that you've trained into several races/weapon systems so you can experiment and try different things, but in a close fight the pilot who specialized more into his chosen ship will come out ahead. Once you figure out which ships you enjoy, it's time to start bringing those skills that affect them to 4 or 5.

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Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2015-11-11 22:56:59 UTC
The test server is good to test fits, tank, PvE, mechanics, flying a ship in general. There is also a 1:1 channel where you can negotiate a duel. But for learning PvP it's not that suitable because the element of "real" loss is a crucial aspect, not existing on SiSi.

I'm my own NPC alt.

Avvy
Doomheim
#16 - 2015-11-11 23:20:22 UTC
Tipa Riot wrote:
The test server is good to test fits, tank, PvE, mechanics, flying a ship in general. There is also a 1:1 channel where you can negotiate a duel. But for learning PvP it's not that suitable because the element of "real" loss is a crucial aspect, not existing on SiSi.



I think that depends on the person, for instance having the risk of loss won't make me try harder as even without the risk, I'll try to keep the character/ship in one piece.
Raffael Ramirez
Alcohol Fuelled
#17 - 2015-11-11 23:55:15 UTC
Avvy wrote:
Tipa Riot wrote:
The test server is good to test fits, tank, PvE, mechanics, flying a ship in general. There is also a 1:1 channel where you can negotiate a duel. But for learning PvP it's not that suitable because the element of "real" loss is a crucial aspect, not existing on SiSi.



I think that depends on the person, for instance having the risk of loss won't make me try harder as even without the risk, I'll try to keep the character/ship in one piece.


True, but the adrenaline induced heart pounding/hands shaking when you are actually being shot at is rarely experienced when you ass is not really on the line.

I agree with Tipia on this, you can test mechanics and fittings to no end but PvP in eve is usually chaotic and nothing goes as planned. Knowing the probabilities of success because you know the mechanics gives you an edge, but if you forget to switch on your shield hardener because of tunnel vision SiSi can't help you. In the beginning the information you need to process for a desired outcome in an evenly matched fight is overwhelming - also the smaller the ship the more information you need to process. Velocity, distance, optimal range, tracking, ranges, transversal velocity etc.. it takes time to realize which is useful in what fight and which are just cluttering up you overview.

Shooting non NPC spaceships is learning by failure and sadly it is a culture that is in decline, my advice is usually go learn the mechanics and items on SiSi and then join a like minded group and learn on the fly. - small gangs preferably because everybody can press F1 in a big fleet but you contribution is crucial in a small gang.

You can read all the guides you want, at some stage you need to innovate to become a good pilot - try things do things differently that is how you become truly a dangerous spaceship - be unpredictable!

Good luck!


Avvy
Doomheim
#18 - 2015-11-12 00:08:13 UTC
Raffael Ramirez wrote:
Avvy wrote:
Tipa Riot wrote:
The test server is good to test fits, tank, PvE, mechanics, flying a ship in general. There is also a 1:1 channel where you can negotiate a duel. But for learning PvP it's not that suitable because the element of "real" loss is a crucial aspect, not existing on SiSi.



I think that depends on the person, for instance having the risk of loss won't make me try harder as even without the risk, I'll try to keep the character/ship in one piece.


True, but the adrenaline induced heart pounding/hands shaking when you are actually being shot at is rarely experienced when you ass is not really on the line.

I agree with Tipia on this, you can test mechanics and fittings to no end but PvP in eve is usually chaotic and nothing goes as planned. Knowing the probabilities of success because you know the mechanics gives you an edge, but if you forget to switch on your shield hardener because of tunnel vision SiSi can't help you. In the beginning the information you need to process for a desired outcome in an evenly matched fight is overwhelming - also the smaller the ship the more information you need to process. Velocity, distance, optimal range, tracking, ranges, transversal velocity etc.. it takes time to realize which is useful in what fight and which are just cluttering up you overview.

Shooting non NPC spaceships is learning by failure and sadly it is a culture that is in decline, my advice is usually go learn the mechanics and items on SiSi and then join a like minded group and learn on the fly. - small gangs preferably because everybody can press F1 in a big fleet but you contribution is crucial in a small gang.

You can read all the guides you want, at some stage you need to innovate to become a good pilot - try things do things differently that is how you become truly a dangerous spaceship - be unpredictable!

Good luck!




Small pirate gangs could be a possibility, still looking at Curse for a home base. I'm sure an NPC station there will put me up. Although getting out of the front door could be interesting.

Adrenaline induced heart pounding, doesn't really sound like me. Even one of my nieces a little while back asked me why I never get annoyed. Still that in itself could be interesting, just to see what my reaction is.
Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
#19 - 2015-11-12 00:19:37 UTC
you have almost twice the SP I had when I joined RvB as a newbie.

you have more SP than I had when I moved to a 0.0 alliance.

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Raffael Ramirez
Alcohol Fuelled
#20 - 2015-11-12 00:25:26 UTC
Avvy wrote:


Small pirate gangs could be a possibility, still looking at Curse for a home base. I'm sure an NPC station there will put me up. Although getting out of the front door could be interesting.

Adrenaline induced heart pounding, doesn't really sound like me. Even one of my nieces a little while back asked me why I never get annoyed. Still that in itself could be interesting, just to see what my reaction is.


Pirate gangs sound like a good plan, although not the easiest entry into the world of spaceship shooting since they tend to gank a few targets then have to run or fight their way out against superior numbers. It will surely prepare you for everything else you choose to do afterwards, it is the "learn quickly or die horribly" way to start PVP.

Well if you are immune to Adrenaline then you are the first to my knowledge, the guys I play with have been around forever and they still get it when the fight turns bad and they escape with 5% hull or something like that.



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