Missions & Complexes

And in Null you and your alts can run anoms semi-afk making 100mil per hour of direct isk never having to deal with markets, LP conversions, building, hauling and you always know when someone comes into local they are there to kill you, instead of the anonymity of the masses that comes with guessing who the gank alt is in high sec.


So tell me again what they are doing to nerf Rattlesnakes?

Quite a few errors there. I thought Goons prided themselves on accuracy.

First off, while converting of LP does indeed not take any time it still needs to be shipped to the market. I myself am happy to take a hit to my isk/h and have other people do the hauling but that is something to take into account. Hauling ships regularly get ganked between the various mission hubs, I tend to see multiple wrecks on gates any time I go off to Amarr or Jita, dodged a few attempts myself as well. Remember, in HS you're not protected, you're avenged. In NS you're protected. Big difference

If you look at the best system to do these kinds of things, Lanngisi for example, it is not in the same region as either of the two biggest trade hubs (Amarr and Jita) so no, you can't do selling remotely either.

Ganking of faction and dedspace fit mission boats is a regular occurrence, as in daily. No really check the killboards. Don't need officer fit ships to become a gank target.

Nullsec income is almost exclusively raw isk while Lv4 ission blitzing is almost no raw isk once you convert the LP/isk into faction modules. This is ok though because of the somewhat more difficult moving of stuff from null to high. It does make it a dangerous proposition to just flat out increase isk rewards in null.

You also haven't addressed the issue that to reach the 200mill+ you're looking at 6-8bill in initial capital while in null you're only looking at a 2bill to 2.5bill ratting carrier for 100mill was it? just add more alts, that's what makes null different and that's ok too.

While I appreciate the fine art of Goon misdirection and misinformation and propaganda, all of the arguments have been covered dozens of times and is not what this thread is about.

I use a speed fitted blockade runner, warps like an intercepter and its impossible to catch in highsec if flown correctly.



Use an alt to sell, either on the same account or alt account. Doesn't even take 5 minutes to update sell orders.


You dont need those mods, the only bling you ever need are faction damage mods and even those are optional. Bling is simply not needed and t2 mission running ships with a smattering of faction damage mods are simply not going to be a viable target. You are more likely to die by falling asleep running the mission than being ganked.



To get the very best income you have to use the ESS, which rewards you partly in LP and unlike highsec it can be raided/blown up.


To get the anoms requires holding sov and deploying infrastructure which are a lot more expensive plus you have to defend it, something highsec doesn't need to worry about. When you start defending your mission running system with 60 billion isk worth of assets then you can start comparing prices.

If you use the same account then you can't update sell orders and mission at the same time. If you use an alt then your isk/h is halved whereas if you use an alt in null your isk is doubled. You're changing from what you originally said, moving the goalposts.


I agree completely, you don't need those mods, however that's not the point now is it? Ships that are NOT officer fit are ganked daily in just the system I mission from. There are dozens of other mission hubs and the surrounding systems. You're changing from what you originally said, moving the goalposts.


I am well aware of the ESS and exactly how it functions, used it for months when I was in null. The LP is gives is a small amount and your income isn't impacted by much even if you decide to not use it. In fact your income is eventually increased if you use it long enough over what you were making before the ESS iirc. The majority of your income however is still in raw isk.


You're in an organized alliance with thousands of members with Tax, Moon goo, supers and all kinds of other toys that help support that infrastructure. I get it, null is different to HS, that's what I've been saying. Part of that is that it's easier to ramp up income to well over what is possible in HS. And that's FINE because you need to be able to do that. I'm not advocating a nerf to null so untwist those undies.

Concord is not protection, it's punishment. if someone wants to gank you concord will not stop them. Come on, this is basic Eve stuff.


Incursion income is a little messed up but while a small pool of people are profiting hugely from it (probably plenty of nullsec player's alts) the effect on eve as a whole is not bad enough to justify canning it completely. CCP is already working on it from what I've been able to gather. I have my doubts if it'll work since if the replacement to Sansha incursions aren't profitable enough then no one's gonna bother running them.


What, you mean as a solo player? Come on, you're not even comparing two different types of food here never mind apples to apples.

Where exactly did i say anything about the whole of High Sec?

Also, you realize this defensive reaction you just had prove my point right? You and the Alt (among others, again, no one is saying anything about all of high sec) aren't interested in the truth of the matter , a trivial matter regarding a video game to boot. Like I said, it doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things (CCP is starting to recognize the situation we've been telling them about for years).

Just saying that sometimes it's nice when people can at least acknowledge that they understand they are profiting from something that's not quite right.

Nice is not nessacary.

Did you even bother to read what I said regarding incursions?

Also I don't think there's much of anything I Alt agree on, ever. In fact lumping me and him into the same goup is probably the most telling and hilarious thing in your last two posts haha.

Incursions are no longer the most broken things in high sec. You've personally documented the thing that is, it's in your sig.



You are agreeing right now. Further, You agree with him every time you take a page from his play book and gloss over the costs and context of pve in null vs what you do in high sec.

ie you mention the costs in time and isk for skill training and acquiring ships needed to blitz missions for 200 mil isk per hour (side note, he only disagrees on the isk/hr thing because he doesn't want people to think you can actually make isk in high sec), while not acknowledging the ongoing and continual cost to null sec players in terms of either isk or real life money to maintain multiple alts to just barely reach the same isk.hr you do with one character... That's pure Market McSelling Alt thinking if ever there was such a thing..



And where did I say "those people"? Lying is also a Market McSelling Alt thing that you just did...

They protect in the same way nukes do.



Feel free to lump in as many highsec bears as you wish, Simple fact hre is this so called risk free null income comes on the back of not only hundreds of billions of isk worth of infrastructure but also spending trillions in ship replacements. Highsec set up and running costs are nothing in comparison.

There is a 'hard cap' to what you do maybe. There is no 'hard cap' (or a lot lower one) to other ways to maximize high sec pve isk making. I know, I was the guy running incursions while running FoF missile ravens and drakes for missions and high sec anomalies.

The POINT being that what you do, in high sec, with one character with guaranteed CONCORD intervention is someone looks at you wrong, is extremely broken. It's simply, mechanically impossible to make what you make with one character in a sub cap in sov null or wormhole space. It is theoretically possible to do it (and better) in low sec and npc null till you consider the lack of CONCORD response.

A more honest way to go would be to acknowledge how bad this is for the game (even bad for high sec itself, because many of those people abusing high sec and thus depressing the LP markets are null alts, same as in FW). But you can't do that.



What alliance gives you isk for plex for multiple isk making alts? When you can name one, I'll go there.

Also, these <= Those.