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Don't fly what you can't afford?

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Jimsun Froegliech
Elethian Distributed Services
#1 - 2015-11-09 15:50:39 UTC
My freighter dun got blown up. It was under contract, with a very high collateral. I saw an opportunity, similar to many I've successfuly run before, and gambled and lost against the house.
The house being determined pirates. Altogether it was an absolutely awesome experience - freighters are so tanky it really is quite exciting, you get a good minute or so of desparate crawling hope before you realise you won't make it.
Usual rules apply as well - I was in a rush, I didn't follow my usual precautions, and happened to run into some very capable bastards.

Now I am in an interesting position, because whilst I could normally replace my losses without any real sweat I'm currently leveraged up to my eyeballs on some very attractive trades. And I need a freighter to make quite a lot of them work. If I lose another freighter I'm not going to be able to rebuy one without taking heavy losses - technically I can't really afford to fly my next one because I can't easily replace it.

I've obviously gone out and straight away replaced it. And my enthusiasm for this game has tripled, all of a sudden slowboating across 18 gates has become an adrenaline fueled panic of D scan and local lookups. I'm running my covops as point, and I have a widow escort in anything less than .7.

I've always extolled the basic tenants of 'don't trust anyone you can't physically punch in the face', 'if its too good to be true, it is', and 'don't fly what you can't afford'.
But I'm starting to wonder what the value is in the third one (except for absolute first week rookies who may immediately quit if they lose everything), other than to make the game more boring. My losses in this event are the worst I've had, but obviously nothing really that out of the ordinary for the general populus. For those of you who've lost big - does it not restore your enthusiasm for the game, that you have to work your way back up or start doing things differently?
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#2 - 2015-11-09 16:23:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
I treat it more as "don't fly anything you're not comfortable with losing". I certainly have ships that I couldn't afford to replace immediately if they exploded, but I have other ships that'll do the same job, albeit not as well, or indeed other jobs, to earn me enough to be able to do so in a short time.

Good attitude to your loss btw.

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DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#3 - 2015-11-09 17:03:31 UTC
its actually "Don;t fly what you can't afford to lose" and this doesn't mean just isk.

Lots of people in your situation would be rage quitting, or whining up a storm, because they can;t emotionally afford to lose said ship.

Thought you are levered and can't afford a new freighter, emotionally you seem to be able to rebound and move on. Thus in that regard you are able to move on form the loss.

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Daerrol
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2015-11-09 17:31:12 UTC
I have two ships that are incursion-ready. One is a cheap T2 Scimitar, the other is an impressive fit Macharial which stays docked in Amarr. It's worth around 1bn isk. These ships NEVER see PVP, despite being around the same price as my normal PVP Pirate battleships and the logi is actually cheaper than most my PVP logis. However, these are my dedicated money making ships. The mach is there for redundancy. It can be cannabilized to make more scimitars or if Incursions ever stop being good ISK due to changes from CCP, I can use it to fly L4's or all sorts of other useful ISK making activities.

The rest my ships are already spacedust before they undock. Pirate
Nafensoriel
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2015-11-09 17:54:47 UTC
A purchased ship in eve is a bomb.
An undocked ship in eve is a bomb with an unpredictable timer that has been activated.

Accept that the ship is scrap from the moment you undock it and your eve life will be so much more awesome.


To the OP get another freighter or use a DST if you don't need the volume. I find i can recover liquid isk fairly fast and even if you lose the second freighter its only a brief setback in the long haul. Or use the excuse to do something new like pvping or hell even mining(though this is a form of insanity.. be careful with it)
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#6 - 2015-11-09 18:06:55 UTC
It also helps to purchase a mining permit if you intend to operate your vessel in New Order territory (formerly known as Highsec).
Spruillo
Lord Narg Corporation
#7 - 2015-11-09 18:15:22 UTC
tl:dr- your a dumbass how is dscan going to help your freighter in losec

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Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#8 - 2015-11-09 18:32:06 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
I treat it more as "don't fly anything you're not comfortable with losing". I certainly have ships that I couldn't afford to replace immediately if they exploded, but I have other ships that'll do the same job, albeit not as well, or other jobs and earn me enough to be able to do so in a short time.

Good attitude to your loss btw.


don't fly what you can't afford to replace is a very different statement from don't fly what you can't afford to lose. I have flown many ships I couldn't afford to immediately replace, but as you say I also have plenty of ships that can do a similar job, or do a different job and then I can eventually replace any ship I've flown. Hell most of the ships I fly I have at least 3 of. There are plenty of ways to interpret the rule and I can't say one is better than the other. As someone else said a lot of "affording" a loss is the emotional portion.

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Nuu
Doomheim
#9 - 2015-11-09 18:34:27 UTC
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
It also helps to purchase a mining permit if you intend to operate your vessel in New Order territory (formerly known as Highsec).

What if I offer money for each ganked mining permit holder?

Have you 'smart boys' realised that yet?

How many will pay your litte mafia fee after that if they get ganked anyway?
Paranoid Loyd
#10 - 2015-11-09 18:43:05 UTC
Spruillo wrote:
your
Roll

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Dan Seavey Allier
Seavy Acquisitions
#11 - 2015-11-09 18:45:54 UTC


Lost a Barghast this weekend running combat sites in Null.

New the risk, had precautions set up, make a teeeeeeeny mistate, and got clowned for it.

But not before I raked in about 40 million in a shade over an hour.


Am I going to do that again?

Oh hell yeah.

Am I going to lose another Barg?

Yup.


But not the same way I lost the last one. And when I lose this one, it will be another unique learning experience.
(And, it's fun as hell.)
((AND I took the T2 that scrammed me out before I blew up, so >:P ))

Eventually, I will rule any null combat site I choose, just like I can now mine, P.I. , transport and Rat anywhere I like.
This game is no fun at all if you aren't going to put it on the line from time to time.

Dan



Honey Never Sleeps. - John Russell

Jimsun Froegliech
Elethian Distributed Services
#12 - 2015-11-09 19:25:02 UTC
Spruillo wrote:
tl:dr- your a dumbass how is dscan going to help your freighter in losec

Oh bless you! I'm afraid I don't know, I've never been to 'losec', I've heard its really dangerous!
Maybe if you ask in the new players forum someone might be able to help you?
Anyway, thank you for your valuable contribution, I know that reading can be really difficult.

Ima Wreckyou wrote:
It also helps to purchase a mining permit if you intend to operate your vessel in New Order territory (formerly known as Highsec).

No thanks, I'm good Big smile However I hope you realise that some of us appreciate your activities (from afar, preferably whilst aligned); time in Highsec would be -super- boring without the very slim chance of being hunted. I know I would leave this game if CCP ever introduced a truly safe area.

Dan Seavey Allier wrote:
Lost a Barghast....
(would do it again)...
Eventually, I will rule any null combat site I choose, just like I can now mine, P.I. , transport and Rat anywhere I like.
This game is no fun at all if you aren't going to put it on the line from time to time.

Amen. I've played so unbelievably cautious for so long (this is my first half decent loss in years), I think if anything I'm thrilled to find out that not only am I not as good or as much of a smartass at this game as I thought, but that the occasional bit of risk and punishing misfortune is a real additive to the general enjoyment, not a detractor.

Mulling over from when I made the OP, I've also realised that most of the stories I've heard about people losing really big, often involve being in a position of responsibility with regards to other peoples wealth/assets; I'm guessing that must be more difficult to come to terms with.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#13 - 2015-11-09 20:56:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
If I lost everything, and found myself back with only a rookie ship to my name, I'm confident I could recover quickly.

"Don't fly what you can't afford to replace."

"Don't fly what you can't afford to lose."

No time-line is specified, nor whether "affordable" refers to ISK, and / or time, and / or emotional attachment. That's up to each pilot to weigh for themselves.
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#14 - 2015-11-09 20:58:10 UTC
Nuu wrote:
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
It also helps to purchase a mining permit if you intend to operate your vessel in New Order territory (formerly known as Highsec).

What if I offer money for each ganked mining permit holder?

Have you 'smart boys' realised that yet?

How many will pay your litte mafia fee after that if they get ganked anyway?

How much money do you offer?
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#15 - 2015-11-09 22:33:15 UTC
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Nuu wrote:
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
It also helps to purchase a mining permit if you intend to operate your vessel in New Order territory (formerly known as Highsec).

What if I offer money for each ganked mining permit holder?

Have you 'smart boys' realised that yet?

How many will pay your litte mafia fee after that if they get ganked anyway?

How much money do you offer?


Well, when I said "I" I mispoke a little, I meant "someone else" and when I said "money" I may have been a little unclear, I meant "someone else's money".

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff

Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#16 - 2015-11-09 22:41:16 UTC
Itt: op gets that loss is everything in eve and revels in it.

Good job op.

Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2015-11-10 00:55:16 UTC
Jimsun Froegliech wrote:
I've obviously gone out and straight away replaced it. And my enthusiasm for this game has tripled, all of a sudden slowboating across 18 gates has become an adrenaline fueled panic of D scan and local lookups. I'm running my covops as point, and I have a widow escort in anything less than .7.

the widow will probably not be as useful as a dedicated webber? having an alt web your freighter gets it into warp really quickly
Demerius Xenocratus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2015-11-10 02:20:21 UTC
Spruillo wrote:
tl:dr- your a dumbass how is dscan going to help your freighter in losec


DIS WILL BE DEALT WIF.
Tear Jar
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#19 - 2015-11-10 02:28:54 UTC
Nuu wrote:
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
It also helps to purchase a mining permit if you intend to operate your vessel in New Order territory (formerly known as Highsec).

What if I offer money for each ganked mining permit holder?

Have you 'smart boys' realised that yet?

How many will pay your litte mafia fee after that if they get ganked anyway?


CODE. agents aren't motivated by money. We are motivated by a desire to make highsec a better place.

As such, we are far more dedicated than your typical mercenary group.
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#20 - 2015-11-10 03:08:32 UTC
OP - I like people like you, that take a loss well.

Just this last weekend I got talking to a 3 day old trial account newbie that had been ganked and lost most of what they owned (which wasn't much). I gave him a fitted lowskill gank Atron and five million ISK, and told him to go and shoot some other people.

He did, and now he's much more interested in the game. I gave him 50 million after his 10th gank attempt, as promised, and I expect EVE will keep him.

You obviously have more resources and more SP than that guy did - which means taking up a life of ganking should be even easier. You can still trade on the side (I trade a lot, I just use courier contracts to move stuff)

I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com

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