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High Sec - Newb Training Area or the only space worth playing in?

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Aquilan Aideron
Wardecs go here
#101 - 2015-11-06 16:01:58 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
Aquilan Aideron wrote:
Caladan Panzureborn wrote:
How do you stop someone from being a risk averse total pussy? You can't. No amount of anything will change high sec dwellers games from what is basically a pve only game into something different. They don't want pvp or a chance of it. On my Minmatar char, I tried regularly to get HS players to join me for more profitable ratting and stuff in low sec. As soon as I mentioned where we would be going they were like "No way! I'm not going there!" haha.

What would make me move to Null? I spend most of my time in low sec and am enjoying the fights and FW. Like you said, null is pretty empty so if felt like I could get decent fights and there were actually well stocked stations I could dock at I would check it out.

Oh yea? And what should we do once we arrived in Null? Join a 40 k account alliance to escape all dangers and challenges?

Begs the question what area of space houses the pussies and carebears.


this is what annoys me about highsec people who have never tried null, you all seem to think the only option is to join the huge blue donut, its not, there is plenty of people who operate small gang stuff in nullsec and do just fine.


But in truth you are annoyed by the folks who are creating high sec in null, right? Yet mocking high sec dwellers as carebears is, of course, less risky.

Are you being risk averse by any chance?
BirdStrike
Doomheim
#102 - 2015-11-06 19:39:47 UTC  |  Edited by: BirdStrike
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Emotional Constipation
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#103 - 2015-11-06 21:39:13 UTC
Hurrah another attempt at a 'NERF HIGH SEC', Move to null sec thread of 'you're playing it wrong' please play my way ?

If you can try to stretch your imagination with the concept that some people actually enjoy their EVE differently from you ?

We as a community are partly responsible for the state of the game as it is,

Awoxing, Safari, Recruitment Scams etc, plus of course the cardinal rule that is spouted of 'Trust Nobody', now which corps do you join ?

Null sec is stagnating, Moar Blues anyone ??? 'but we is organized bro, come and take it from us' The Epeen is strong in null and stroked on daily basis, while the 'carebear' is vilified and scorned, we will ignore that percentage of carebears that are actually isk making alts of the ferocious F1 key mashers.

Not everyone is interested in the optimal isk/hr of whichever activity in eve, some play for the simple enjoyment, the stunning graphics, The thing you should be looking at is how much 'Fun/Hr' you are getting.

All of Me's are currently 'Carebears' in Empire, I last played around June time (I've had better RL stuff to do), all of my accounts are subs not plexed, yes I still have loads of stuff left in Null, No you can't haz Blink

In my honest opinion, EVE is what YOU make it, if you are bored, do something about it, stop with the stupid nerf Empire garbage.

Am I Risk Adverse, of course, I'm not stupid, I will try to mitigate as much risk as possible, then again sometimes it feels good to shout I'm Sparticus and kick a few eggs into your throat Shocked

Fly like you want to, singing 'I did it my way' Twisted
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#104 - 2015-11-06 21:56:29 UTC
Emotional Constipation wrote:
Hurrah another attempt at a 'NERF HIGH SEC', Move to null sec thread of 'you're playing it wrong' please play my way ?

If you can try to stretch your imagination with the concept that some people actually enjoy their EVE differently from you ?

We as a community are partly responsible for the state of the game as it is,

Awoxing, Safari, Recruitment Scams etc, plus of course the cardinal rule that is spouted of 'Trust Nobody', now which corps do you join ?

Null sec is stagnating, Moar Blues anyone ??? 'but we is organized bro, come and take it from us' The Epeen is strong in null and stroked on daily basis, while the 'carebear' is vilified and scorned, we will ignore that percentage of carebears that are actually isk making alts of the ferocious F1 key mashers.

Not everyone is interested in the optimal isk/hr of whichever activity in eve, some play for the simple enjoyment, the stunning graphics, The thing you should be looking at is how much 'Fun/Hr' you are getting.

All of Me's are currently 'Carebears' in Empire, I last played around June time (I've had better RL stuff to do), all of my accounts are subs not plexed, yes I still have loads of stuff left in Null, No you can't haz Blink

In my honest opinion, EVE is what YOU make it, if you are bored, do something about it, stop with the stupid nerf Empire garbage.

Am I Risk Adverse, of course, I'm not stupid, I will try to mitigate as much risk as possible, then again sometimes it feels good to shout I'm Sparticus and kick a few eggs into your throat Shocked

Fly like you want to, singing 'I did it my way' Twisted


some of this is funny because all you highsec carebear do is try and pull features from null, low because you are bored with the current content available in highsec, guess what if your too lazy to move space for more rewards then dont try and mess everyone else game by making highsec an only option to make isk

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

Emotional Constipation
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#105 - 2015-11-06 22:18:20 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
Emotional Constipation wrote:


All of Me's are currently 'Carebears' in Empire, I last played around June time (I've had better RL stuff to do), all of my accounts are subs not plexed, yes I still have loads of stuff left in Null, No you can't haz Blink


some of this is funny because all you highsec carebear do is try and pull features from null, low because you are bored with the current content available in highsec, guess what if your too lazy to move space for more rewards then dont try and mess everyone else game by making highsec an only option to make isk


I am guessing you are spouting the political party sheeple propoganda and failing to actually READ what was said ?

I moved My Lazy Carebear Backside FROM Null, Through that low sec stuff thats sort of inbetween, into the cozy empire while pulling on my nice fluffy slippers, plugged in some nice learn stuff faster implants and made some warm chocolate with mini marshmallows and cream.

I am guessing your foam at the mouth rant about how lazy I am sort of falls apart somewhat ?

so please inform the readers just what 'features' I am trying to pull from null ?
Nick Bete
Highsec Haulers Inc.
#106 - 2015-11-06 23:14:43 UTC
This is another in an endless stream of "nerf high sec" "force people out of high sec" threads and they're so damned annoying. Let people play the game how and where they like. I pay my real money to CCP every month (and have for years) to do as I like within the bounds of game mechanics/EULA/TOS. Why is it anyone's business that I choose to do so from an NPC corp in high sec? I don't want to be "forced" or "incentivized" to do anything. If CCP were stupid enough to listen to all the null bigots and try I'd simply leave.

Remember that Eve is a pay to play GAME and not a job. We all have the option to vote with our feet and go to other games if we're unhappy with the service here.
RainMan
Oddballs Inc
#107 - 2015-11-07 00:49:25 UTC
Simply fix to all this stagnation

Remove passive incomes

Imagine if you had to mine moon goo, fights over moons , not shooting stupid pos for hours

People trying to ninja mine your moon , content for pvp players / hunters

Ship loss would actually hurt just like back in beta - 2003 -2005 era of the game

Also passive income from research agents needs to go.

Regards
Rain
Paul Pohl
blue media poetry
#108 - 2015-11-07 02:32:50 UTC
Sibyyl wrote:

Paul Pohl wrote:
the most violent systems in the game are in high-sec - and always have been - for good reason


Catch is the most dangerous region in 2014. You've made a statement as if it's a fact. Please share your data.



try dotlan
Paul Pohl
blue media poetry
#109 - 2015-11-07 02:34:02 UTC
Nick Bete wrote:
Oh God, the 4 millionth thread about nerfing high sec... Roll

Do we really need number 4 million and one?


nope
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#110 - 2015-11-07 02:41:03 UTC
Paul Pohl wrote:
Nick Bete wrote:
Oh God, the 4 millionth thread about nerfing high sec... Roll

Do we really need number 4 million and one?


nope

That's why it's good to leave these threads open.

Keeps all our silly and mostly irrelevant conversations contained.
Paul Pohl
blue media poetry
#111 - 2015-11-07 02:49:41 UTC
erg cz wrote:
[quote=Justin Cody]

1. Let me PvE in null without PvP, when I do not want PvP. Sort of anomalies with collapsing entrance once you passed in would do. Something with unique sights would drag in PvE oriented players even if ISK income will not be that high.
2. Let me solo PvP with at least some chance to get fair fight when I am ready and want PvP. Null arena with drifters as judge or whatever.
3. Make more high sec / null sec gates. You want ppl in null - you should give them access to it. One ever camped gate per region is simply not enough.
4. Make more NPC null regions. People do play solo for family / time / social / historical reasons. You want solo players in null - let them dock.


I see

so you want eve to be one ot those games you play on your phone - and wish to ignore the time, effort and organisation involved in building the station that you can't dock in, or making the space difficult to travel through to get to that station.

however the key point you are musing here is that this thread is not - and nor are any of these threads (or have ever been) - wanting players to move out of high sec - they about baiting easy kils
Paul Pohl
blue media poetry
#112 - 2015-11-07 02:50:43 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Paul Pohl wrote:
Nick Bete wrote:
Oh God, the 4 millionth thread about nerfing high sec... Roll

Do we really need number 4 million and one?


nope

That's why it's good to leave these threads open.

Keeps all our silly and mostly irrelevant conversations contained.


is that why we reply?
Daniela Doran
Doomheim
#113 - 2015-11-07 03:09:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Daniela Doran
Anize Oramara wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Daniela Doran wrote:
Anize Oramara wrote:
If you do lv4 missions 'right' (blitzing them) you are generating very little in the way of isk. In fact, the better you are blitzing lv4s, the less isk you inject into the economy.

All but 3 Burner missions generates 10mill isk and just over 14k LP. There's also repair costs of 100k-500k. It just so happens one of the best items to buy form the SOE LP store, Probe launchers, cost 9.6mill isk and 14.4k LP. Then theres missions that have 0 or only 500k in bounties but generate far more in LP . If you run them right lv4 missions are actually an isk sink.

The new burner missions is very good for the health of the game.


And just why do you feel the need to share this?? Or do you actually want CCP to nerf Hi-Sec to the ground?


I got a chuckle out of this, it's like some in high sec know how crazy it is and don't want others sharing that because CCP might come in and actually balance something. Priceless.

What I get a chuckle out of is how many people, even though they know how, still refuse to actually blitz and run burners. I guess it's fine if the majority of players are happy with their 50mill/h full clear with slow ass marauders and salvage on alt account. The few that want to can profit big time while the lazy can wallow and whine with their pitiful income.

Hmm sounds like real life come to think of it Pirate


If I were to blitz missions using your methods with all my chars then yea I could probably make 500+ mill an hour but the SOE LP would crash in no time. I believe in using all available resources to make isk when I run missions, not abusing only ONE resource to the ground until it becomes worthless.
mojogore
Horcrux Clone
#114 - 2015-11-07 03:11:57 UTC
Play EvE how you want, if people don't like your play style you can shoot them. whats not to like?
Tanthos
Tanthos Corp
#115 - 2015-11-07 04:54:02 UTC
RainMan wrote:
Simply fix to all this stagnation

Remove passive incomes

Imagine if you had to mine moon goo, fights over moons , not shooting stupid pos for hours

People trying to ninja mine your moon , content for pvp players / hunters

Ship loss would actually hurt just like back in beta - 2003 -2005 era of the game

Also passive income from research agents needs to go.

Regards
Rain



Stupid idea. Fastest and most guaranteed way to kill Eve for sure..
RainMan
Oddballs Inc
#116 - 2015-11-07 10:04:51 UTC
Tanthos wrote:
RainMan wrote:
Simply fix to all this stagnation

Remove passive incomes

Imagine if you had to mine moon goo, fights over moons , not shooting stupid pos for hours

People trying to ninja mine your moon , content for pvp players / hunters

Ship loss would actually hurt just like back in beta - 2003 -2005 era of the game

Also passive income from research agents needs to go.

Regards
Rain



Stupid idea. Fastest and most guaranteed way to kill Eve for sure..



I see you disagree with me, plz explain in more detail what you mean?

Regards
Rain
Justin Cody
War Firm
#117 - 2015-11-07 21:17:56 UTC
erg cz wrote:
No offense, but who will read wall of text like this? Well, some ppl will, but most just scroll down to TL;DR version. If there is any. I rearely read posts with more than 20 lines of text. Just saying.


no one said you had to post. literally complaining about nothing. go away.
Spruillo
Lord Narg Corporation
#118 - 2015-11-08 02:25:21 UTC
[quote}
I suspect purple fleets [/quote]

THIS WIL B DEALT WITH

PLAYIN SPACE TRUCKS VROOM VROOM

Martin Corwin
Doomheim
#119 - 2015-11-08 03:19:34 UTC
Justin Cody wrote:

What would make you move to null sec?

I would move to nullsec (again) if it would require less effort in general to live there, wouldn't be so boring and be more difficult to awox/spy. Which means: easier logistics/better markets, easier safe movement in ships with some actual utility that doesn't require the skills to fly a T3C, better PvE content, more meaningful PvP content (objectives, please), generally being able to do more stuff solo without increasing risk disproportionally, less paranoia/meta gaming.

In short, I would move there if I had reason to believe I won't burn out this time around after only a few months.
Pryce Caesar
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#120 - 2015-11-08 06:01:27 UTC
Null-Sec players consider High-Sec to be the training area; I went to Null-Sec because I heard of the ISK opportunities (get enough money to buy PLEX quickly). In an ideally set up system, high-level anomalies are readily available, allowing one to yield around 100 million ISK within the space of two hours ideally (if not more). In High-Sec, barring Incursions, ISK opportunities like that come from Level 4 Security, and you have to go back to the Agent for that.

At least, that is the case for mission runners or PvE players. I'd imagine that industrialists are quite bountiful in High-Sec, and explorers also have a safe haven to go back to when they finish worm-hole runs. But for mining, Null-Sec is the most bountiful site, and Mercoxit is only found in Null-Sec.