Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Says the guy presumably living in Branch.

Have you seen how station free Venal is? To get to a good place to set up in Branch requires 2 mids really. Upper Deklein is sorta the same deal. It isn't players defending that space, as they should according to AegisSov philosophy, but geography alone.



I never said anything about a blanket. I was specifically pointing to blops.

It's not about wanting to fight or not wanting to fight. Sov is fought for by the ratters and miners. To fight sov, you need to take it to the streets, harass, annoy, and usurp. Now, if only we had the tools to do so well, we'd have a game again, where a few smaller groups really could suitably **** off a larger one.

The more you reduce fatigue, the less distance actually matter because you can always jump again. Is distance supposed to matter or is it just a side effect we got?

There were small/mid-sized entities in Sov Null sec before Phoebe? Please name some, because I cannot think of any that were not under the protective umbrella of one of the big blocks. In contrast, now there are more capable and willing smaller/medium sized entities in Sov Null sec then ever before. Some indeed collapsed but it is working relatively well in Querious and Delve, for instance, or some areas of the drone regions as well as Wicked Creek and Scalding Pass. Fountain also broke up into several smaller groups and even made the Aridia dukes LSH join the boredom and tedium of sov. So, people who underestimate Sov and think it's just like live in High sec or Low sec sure will crumble and have no place in sov to begin with. Others, who actually demonstrate some level or prowess can cut out some systems for themselves -- until they get blobbed by the bigger groups because their home areas of space are too boring.

Crybaby or not, getting piled on repeatedly by Deklein troops (not the CFC people who already were in Khanid, but direct Deklein residents) through wormholes as soon as the Khanid detachment was in trouble of losing a fight clearly worked just as intended. The change was, furthermore, also supported by other people who used that technique, otherwise CCP would not have done anything if it only were supported by one CSM.

I can see you've never actually tried to coordinate or use this before.

Also your idea breaks all of WH combat, literally all of it.

So here's an idea, don't sperg in threads when you know zero about the topic at hand. Thanks.

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There could be other things done to help blops mobility, but I think tweaking the fatigue/range is the place to start. I mean to be perfectly fair - CCP basically overlooked them even existing in the initial pass, which is fairly telling that they've been hit "because jump drive" and not because they presented a manifest problem.

A straight range increase will alleviate some issues with mid points, but of course the further you jump, then the bigger the fatigue hit - so perhaps balanced, perhaps just trading one pain for another.

A straight fatigue reduction increases range over time and reduces downtime between jumps.

It's probably fair to say that most people are not wholly adverse to blops getting some help. That said, we need to ascertain what problem actually existed which fatigue was brought in to resolve.

And before anyone blusters about "power projection" and the blob I should like to request some evidence up front before I entertain the notion. Find me some kill reports of these several hundred man BLOPS fleets YOLOing up and down the galaxy to third party a fight and farm kills. I mean if that was really happening, that won't be hard to find, right? They'll be everywhere.

With that said if we can agree on the problem (or potentially, the lack thereof) then we can work towards a solution which helps blops and still stops us falling into the problem zone again.


Edit:

Here is my citation for BLOPs not being a problem, for those saying they were - where's your evidence to the contrary?



Source: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5102742#post5102742

why should sov have special treatment over everyone else?

are you actually being serious? the only thing npc null has is pirate agents, you can upgrade your systems and basically be showered with isk constantly through anomolies, sov is the reason pirate bpc's prices are worth nothing so dont go saying you get no benefits owning sov. if anything npc nullsec players should get a reduction in fatigue so they can kill you blue donut carebears who are raking in tons of isk with hardly any risk.

new citadels will probably have a module for missions so thats another kick for npc nullsec guys because sov will just farm it to death and wreck the market for more lp items

Except I can't build jump bridges in NPC space. One might even say the bridge IS the perk...

Well that is paradoxical, because the quote is clearly stating that the blops were never the problem.

Thus by extension we should be revisiting them as this change HAS affected their use beyond the minimal amount.


So if in your view, he's always wrong, then logically you think the fatigue/ranges on blops are good. This doesn't seem to be the case since you're loudly shouting they are bad in here.

It's dangerous making blanket assessments based on WHO rather than WHAT.

I can see you cannot really see.


What part of "depending on hole type" is so misleading? You want to keep your wh combat - give your C5-C6 holes less fatigue values. It's K-space to K-space travel which is overpowered.


So here's a counter-idea, let's not assume things about each other especially when you clearly have no idea. Thanks.

oops, got the wrong post - disregard