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*** New ship idea *** Mineral Venture
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Regulus Scyssor
Libertalia.
#1 - 2015-11-05 07:56:45 UTC
Venture is a popular and versatile ship, one of its roles is the transport of large amounts of ore, becoming a "pocket industrial" fast, elusive and discret.

In fact, miners and industrials need a "mineral venture", especialized in mineral transport. Other possibilities is the old venture can manage minerals in her ore cargo

PD: a blue skin for the venture is other great idea.

Venture is love
Ellendras Silver
CrashCat Corporation
#2 - 2015-11-05 07:58:49 UTC
no they don't that is a job for haulers, orca and rorqual

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Felsusguy
Panopticon Engineering
#3 - 2015-11-05 08:01:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Felsusguy
Regulus Scyssor wrote:
Venture is a popular and versatile ship, one of its roles is the transport of large amounts of ore, becoming a "pocket industrial" fast, elusive and discret.

In fact, miners and industrials need a "mineral venture", especialized in mineral transport. Other possibilities is the old venture can manage minerals in her ore cargo

PD: a blue skin for the venture is other great idea.

The Venture is a mining hull. It is not for transport.

Also, I believe the ship you are looking for is the "Kyros". Alternatively, any of what were the Tier 1 industrials.

A Wreathe, for example, can carry more minerals than a Venture can carry in ore, align in four seconds or less, with two warp core stabilizers, and can fit a cloak and oversized micro warp drive. That should be everything you need right there.

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Lim Hiaret
Hiaret Family
#4 - 2015-11-05 09:49:19 UTC
I think you should try the Miasmos. Also the blue skin is already used for the new Endurance.
Felsusguy
Panopticon Engineering
#5 - 2015-11-05 10:14:39 UTC
Lim Hiaret wrote:
I think you should try the Miasmos. Also the blue skin is already used for the new Endurance.

The Miasmos is for ore. The Kryos is for minerals.

The Caldari put business before pleasure. The Gallente put business in pleasure.
Lim Hiaret
Hiaret Family
#6 - 2015-11-05 10:20:08 UTC
Felsusguy wrote:
Lim Hiaret wrote:
I think you should try the Miasmos. Also the blue skin is already used for the new Endurance.

The Miasmos is for ore. The Kryos is for minerals.


Jep, mixed them up... sry.
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2015-11-06 02:43:33 UTC
What we need is a proper small industrial, a frigate-sized ship that's actually built for hauling. We don't need more haulers with specialized bays.



Ellendras Silver wrote:
no they don't that is a job for haulers, orca and rorqual

An Oxford comma would change the meaning of your post significantly, and for the better I might add.

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Iain Cariaba
#8 - 2015-11-06 05:52:07 UTC
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
What we need is a proper small industrial, a frigate-sized ship that's actually built for hauling. We don't need more haulers with specialized bays.

The t1 exploration frigates say hi.

When properly fit, they can haul well over 1k m3 in their hold.
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2015-11-06 07:53:17 UTC
Iain Cariaba wrote:
The t1 exploration frigates say hi.

When properly fit, they can haul well over 1k m3 in their hold.

That's nothing. A fast T1 industrial can haul close to 20,000m3 when fully fit for cargo, even a Blockade Runner can carry around 12,000m3.

A proper frigate-sized hauler would haul around 5,000m3 when fully fit for cargo. It should haul over 1,000m3 without any cargo mods.

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Iain Cariaba
#10 - 2015-11-06 08:33:09 UTC
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
Iain Cariaba wrote:
The t1 exploration frigates say hi.

When properly fit, they can haul well over 1k m3 in their hold.

That's nothing. A fast T1 industrial can haul close to 20,000m3 when fully fit for cargo, even a Blockade Runner can carry around 12,000m3.

A proper frigate-sized hauler would haul around 5,000m3 when fully fit for cargo. It should haul over 1,000m3 without any cargo mods.

While I don't agree that a frigate sized hauler is needed, I will point out that a t1 industrial is 10-15 times larger than a t1 frigate, so no way should a frigate sized hauler be able to haul a quarter of an industrial. 2k m3, maybe 2.5k, but definitly not 5k. Remember, you're talking standard cargohold, not a specialized bay.
erg cz
Federal Jegerouns
#11 - 2015-11-06 10:29:24 UTC
Iain Cariaba wrote:

While I don't agree that a frigate sized hauler is needed, I will point out that a t1 industrial is 10-15 times larger than a t1 frigate, so no way should a frigate sized hauler be able to haul a quarter of an industrial. 2k m3, maybe 2.5k, but definitly not 5k. Remember, you're talking standard cargohold, not a specialized bay.


Since when CCP make issue with physic? They manage to squise 15 000 m3 specialised cargo bay into T2 mining frigate (still 2500 m3 packed).
What really bothers me is the possibility to sneak small pos into frigate only WH if those new frigate sized haulers will come.

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Felsusguy
Panopticon Engineering
#12 - 2015-11-06 11:06:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Felsusguy
erg cz wrote:
Since when CCP make issue with physic? They manage to squise 15 000 m3 specialised cargo bay into T2 mining frigate (still 2500 m3 packed).

The packaged ship is not the whole ship. Its just a collection of parts.

erg cz wrote:
What really bothers me is the possibility to sneak small pos into frigate only WH if those new frigate sized haulers will come.

Considering that there are no moons, I don't think sneaking a starbase in would do much.

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Xe'Cara'eos
A Big Enough Lever
#13 - 2015-11-06 19:50:24 UTC
any of the T1 exploration hulls would work for this.... though I think the magnate is best - fill the lows with cargo expanders, and it still aligns damn quick, with approx 1k cargo-hold, plenty enough for minerals for a frigate

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Regulus Scyssor
Libertalia.
#14 - 2015-11-06 21:33:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Regulus Scyssor
A magnate can reach 1200m3 with the apropiate fit (even more with rigs), but the problem is the same...

The game have a hollow in transport capacity beetween the t1 frigates and t1 industrials, where you must choose secure travel with bits of nothing, or risk (much) a whole week of work. Venture fills the hole, but only with ores.

The frigate industrial (industrial size S) is a interesing idea.

not all have a freighter in the bay

Venture is love
Winter Archipelago
Autumn Industrial Enterprises
#15 - 2015-11-06 22:50:47 UTC
erg cz wrote:
What really bothers me is the possibility to sneak small pos into frigate only WH if those new frigate sized haulers will come.

A cargo-fit Confessor can get 2.2k m3 in its cargo. Neverminding that you can't put a tower up in frig holes, anyway, it isn't really a concern.

Anyway, my own personal light hauler has become the Hecate. Insta-warp when in prop mode (with high skills), 1.7k m3 with 4x expanders and 2x T2 cargo rigs, pulls 5.6 AU / sec with a T2 hyperspat, and can fit a decent shield tank along with a 5mn and an improved cloak for emergencies.

A bit expensive for a light hauler, to be sure, but when moving expensive stock around lowsec, I find I like it better than an Ares.

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