Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I don't believe that the fee should be changed, that corps should be limited to how many that they can have, harder to make, player made corps be allowed to op out, or anything of that nature. That said you get a group of people who are have little to no pvp skills going up against a group who has done what it has done a thousand times. So what happens the war deccing corp has to war dec hundreds of corps/alliances just stand a chance against a hand full of kills and the defense just switch corps to and npc corp or not log in. In the end little pvp content is created for either side.

How do I think we should fix this.

We add a new site. Let's tentatively call it a Concord system mainframe. It would only appear to those involved in the wardec. This doesn't mean that others who aren't involved in the wardec can't find you here by scanning down your ship.
This site would have several destructible Concord ships, regular Concord will not come here. However if you are not involved in the war, and you get an aggression timer and leave before that timer is up, Concord will kill you. The destructible Concord I would want to be individually as powerful as Sansha incursion rats but perhaps a little less numerous. They are there mainly to prevent one side or another to take the site without fully committing to it. At the center of the site is the Concord system mainframe, it is entosiable successfully entosis it and you get a point. If you are the attacker that point goes towards extending the war If you are the defender it goes towards ending the war. Which could in theory continue forever or end in one day. If no one bothers with it war behaves as it does currently.

Why bother with this? Well it gives the defender reason to undock, the potential of ending the war early. On the other hand, it gives the attacker the potential for conflict if they are willing to fight someone who is potentially prepared to fight. This also punishes war decing corps that stretch themselves too thin.

So potential pit falls for this idea that I foresee: People leaving the corp for a npc corp to avoid war dec.
Potential fixes, either ban leaving a corp that at is war or have a fee for leaving the corp the scales to on sp. Alternatively have the war attached to the players. The players that are in a corp that is war decced are that subject that war dec until it ends. In addition that corp is war decced.

Additional ideas for other uses for the points:( certain benefits would cost more points then others.) (their would be specific corp permissions for spending these points)
Delaying local with each point delaying it by lets say 2 seconds for the other side.
allow the opposing side engage by any one with out retribution from concord for 15 mins.
Increasing the amount of time it takes the opposing side to degrees.
Increasing the amount of time it takes entosis a node for an enemy
Decreasing the amount of time it takes for you to entosis a node.
Undoing the point expenditures of the other group.

Other potential concerns:
I know alot of people who don't like entosising. So maybe instead replace entosising with data analyzer mini game or make either a possibility


In conclusion The numbers listed here aren't set in stone and it doesn't have to be implemented in its entirety . CCP will obviously need to tweak with the numbers some of my suggested numbers might be to little or to much to be worth it. Some caps might need to be placed. Such as how long a war will last on someone who leaves the corp. Just my two cents.

Edit: Forgot to mention where they would spawn. The defender picks three constellations: one null sec, one high sec, and one low sec. The aggressor would pick which constellation the event would happen.

This doesn't remove that the possibility of destroying structures in high sec or wars lasting 7 days. It simply adds another tactical option for ending or extending the war.

The aggressor is able extend the war by wining the beacon. I am not certain if the old mechanic for extending the war should exist or not.

I'm giving this 7-10 pages of mud slinging before ISD rock up and lock it. Again.

Perhaps another candidate for a sticky. Maybe we just just have a new subforum called "circular arguments" and be done with it.

Ok, but what if I am wardeccing someone to boot them from "my" system. Why should I be forced to play some mini-game or lose my ability to attack someone?

As was said in the other thread, all this will do is push solo and small group wardeccers into larger wardeccing alliances to spread out the effort of dealing with this annoyance, and prevent small, non-professional corps from using the wardec mechanic to attack structures unless they are willing and able to play a minigame for 7 days straight.

So -1.

So what, you want a couple of guys risking little more then the fee for the war and spam war decs all they want. This way if a corp is active and willing to undock and pvp you should have to be on your A game to maintain that war. Right now it has no real meaning. If you lose you still have the option of just war deccing a second time 24 hours become its come out and hitting the reinforce.

They risk the same thing the defender does.

Their undocked ships.

Right now, wars allow both parties to shoot at each other, nice and simple. That's about as "fair" as it's going to get. What you want is for it to not be fair, for it to be unfair in your favor. Because you suck at the game, you want to handicap the other side.

And that is never going to happen.

Of course there is.

One of them belongs in a video game, the other absolutely does not. Especially in an MMO, extra especially in a sandbox MMO, "equal" is something that should and will never happen.

You can take your lie of "equality" and stick it.

But thanks for admitting that what you Space Justice Warriors really want is an unfair advantage, by the way. I screenshotted that so you can't edit it out.

I believe the industrial side of Eve should be nerfed. I am a pvp player and have lot's of experience with shooting people in the face, but I have 0% experience with industry. This is unfair to people like me. I dont mind if people still build stuff or mine, but the money they make with it should be cut in half, so it's more fair for us non industrials.....

Boohooo, boohoooo, booo... HFTU and use the money you make to hire mercs if you are pvp clueless.

No. Social corps are purely designed by carebears for one purpose and one purpose only, to give incursion runners hiding out in NPC corps access to corporation features without ante'ing up any increased risk...

In short, all social corps are about is giving incursion runners immunity to wardecs, while still getting corporation features 'for free'.

That is not EvE. You want something, risk something.

The community needs to wake up to this back-door nerf to wars people like Mike Asariah are trying to slip past the CCP goalies, who seem to be playing checkers to his game of chess..

Right now the only incentive for incursion runners hiding out (safe from wardecs) in NPC corps to get in the game and join a real corporation, is to get those corporation features, like bookmarks, shared fittings, et al, by joining an actual player corp. As intended. They must *not* get these things for free, under any name, without ante'ing up to risk of wardec.

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