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BOB COSMIC Lotto scam blown wide open. NAMES NAMED!!!

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AssassinationsdoneWrong
Deep Core Mining Inc.
#1 - 2012-01-04 23:05:16 UTC  |  Edited by: AssassinationsdoneWrong
So here is the layout of everything gleaned from the 3 lotto's Bob Cosmic (and cohorts) and of those 3 lottos totalling 38.9 billion in scammed isk, 1 was a multiple choice lotto so 5 in total. The reason I have this information is because this guy was stupid enough to actually put his toon up on the market in Char Bazaar after perpetrating the loss (probably because his alts are so hopelessly addicted to gambling sites themselves that they have already burned the ISK) so I bought the character and so have access to the complete wallet history.
Basically, Bob Cosmic introduced himself as a lottery runner using Somerset Mahm's 3rd party service to garner credibility and then pushed heavily into the Legit Trading Channel having met the prerequisite number of lotteries.
He then posted 3 lottos almost simultaneously for a Nyx BPO, 10 pirate battleships and one of mixed prizes in a "Choose your flavor" 3 in 1 type.
When I say "almost simultaneously" I mean the 3 in 1 lotto completed ticket sales and the Nyx BPO Lotto was well under way when Bob reported the "death of his father" as the reason he had not drawn the 3 in 1 lotto. I was completely confused when he then found the time to start and regularly promote the Pirate Lotto despite being grief stricken and unable to nlock the dice on a lotto already completed. From this we draw the supposed "Death" as a way to garner sympathy needed to extend the timer on the other lottos and cream as much isk before the bang. Low and behold, to all our surprise the original "Somer Secured" part of all the OP's was edited out (which, in fairness, we all missed).
So now to the fallout. 38.9 billion in total isk gone because Bob Cosmic can't be found. A completely fabricated (my opinion sue me! but i have the wallet activity so I know just how really grief stricken he was) death of a close relative which now puts him beneath the lowest kind of scum you can scrape off a boot in Jita CNAP.

So what happened to all the isk? Simple, every time money came in money went out again to one particular character. But wait it gets worse ............ dig deeper into the wallet transactions and here is what you find. Main lottery players sending isk to Bob Cosmic with the right reason code so that the API picks it up and assigns the tickets to that character and then IMMEDIATELY sent back to that character for the exact same amount. So now we have a scumbag who creates his own fathers death, rigs his own lotteries, uses Somer's good name to leverage himself into credibility. Posts the new lottos as Somer Secured then edits the line out (either because Somer found it and questioned it or before she did) and then rigs the lottos by getting what now look like alts to send in the isk, praise the lotto on the forums and get the isk back immediately.

But then is soooo insanely stupid or broke or both that he then auctions the character off forgetting or not even knowing that the wallet transactions transfer with them.

Time to name names in post 2 ..............................

The Nexus 7's

What we fall short of in numbers we more than make up for in stupidity

AssassinationsdoneWrong
Deep Core Mining Inc.
#2 - 2012-01-04 23:05:31 UTC  |  Edited by: AssassinationsdoneWrong
THE PERPETRATORS :
Bob Cosmic (now in my account so shoot at will but no benefit there lets work out who REALLY profited from this ........ )

barry stormbrewer - The one character where ALL the isk went transaction by transaction as much out as came in per lottery
Well known for extravagant spending on all major lotto's and for gambling site accounts.

Gasol Win - Not in on the the transactions but a character bought from the Bob Cosmic account so assuming a mid main now.


Tosh Slicer (nowadays known as Tash Slicer) - who was the recipient of around 13.9 billion isk but was also the "ringer" who was sending the isk in, getting credited with the tickets and then getting the isk straight back.


Tracie Holden - Now main of Tosh or Tash Slicer and who also received multiple billion donations but hang on ............

........... the isk for the transfer of Tracie Holden was paid for by Bob Cosmic so ............ the account name for the transfer would have been known to Bob Cosmic, lets join the dots (who in the world gives their personal account details out except in the case of a Char Transfer ergo Bob Cosmic actually IS Tosh Slicer and barry stormbrewer and Tash Slicer and Tracie Holden (the now main character)


So there you have it folks. How it went down, why we all fell for it (Somer this microbe dented yours but he also even had the balls to advertise my services without my permission so it seems we all leant credibility unwittingly).

I am more than happy to submit a new API with wallet activity for audit on the Bob Cosmic account to whomever wishes to do it but trust me when I say your now guilty parties are Tash Slicer, barry stormbrewer, Gasol Win and mostly Tracie Holden as there is most activity on that character. They are all one and the same person or so close they live in adjoining bedrooms.

War dec away, Order hits, do what you will (I have my own plans in motion) but it would be really nice to have finally caught a scammer at scamming and not just any scammer but one willing to fabricate the death of a near relative to get what they want. so a converted effort by those most affected by the scams to hunt them to extinction might not be a bad idea.

No animals were injured during the making of this inquiry. (Tracie Holden AKA Tosh/Tash Slicer etc etc was contacted for comment and to try and recoup some of the lost isk of my corpies (this post would have gone up anyway) but was unavailable for comment other than to confirm he "knew Bob in RL" had gotten "f*%*ed by him himself" and that he (Tracie/Tosh) was a good father in real life"


ADW

The Nexus 7's

What we fall short of in numbers we more than make up for in stupidity

CCP Phantom
C C P
C C P Alliance
#3 - 2012-01-05 15:00:43 UTC
Off topic posts removed. Please stay on topic and polite, thank you.

CCP Phantom - Senior Community Developer

FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#4 - 2012-01-05 15:18:45 UTC  |  Edited by: FloppieTheBanjoClown
Congrats to whoever ran this, 30+ billion is a good haul...and more importantly, you did it the old-fashioned way of gaining trust through legitimacy, and then abusing the hell out of that trust as long as you could.

Right, lesson learned here: if you're going to scam and then sell your scamming toon, transfer isk to a middle-man alt before sending it on to your main. I hadn't thought about the wallet history transferring; thanks for that heads-up. Twisted

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Efraya
V0LTA
WE FORM V0LTA
#5 - 2012-01-05 15:49:39 UTC
Smart enough to setup this scam, not smart enough to USE A MIDDLE MAN.

Crims have no class/style these days.

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bob jobson
Doomheim
#6 - 2012-01-05 17:26:40 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Congrats to whoever ran this, 30+ billion is a good haul...and more importantly, you did it the old-fashioned way of gaining trust through legitimacy, and then abusing the hell out of that trust as long as you could.

Right, lesson learned here: if you're going to scam and then sell your scamming toon, transfer isk to a middle-man alt before sending it on to your main. I hadn't thought about the wallet history transferring; thanks for that heads-up. Twisted



Funny this i have been out of the game for 2 years and people are still scamming,I read this then spend 10 mins looking at names in unsecured lotto,s new and old and guess what!
After this and many other scams some of the people are still buying into unsecured lottos LOLLOL
There are lottos with no securing happening now and people still do it TUT TUT shame on you all.

Please please EVE = DONT TRUST ANYONE

Scams

A scam is what happens when someone takes advantage of your misplaced trust, temporary confusion or ignorance of game rules, and robs you via legal in-game means. When this occurs, there is nothing the Support Team can do for you. Although low and despicable, scams do not violate any game mechanics and can not be compensated for by the GMs, nor can the scammers generally be punished for their actions.

SORRY FOR YOUR LOSS BUT GOD WHAT ARE YOU DOING SEND IT MY WAY IN FUTUREBlink
P,S its only a game
AssassinationsdoneWrong
Deep Core Mining Inc.
#7 - 2012-01-05 17:40:13 UTC
bob jobson wrote:
Funny this i have been out of the game for 2 years and people are still scamming,I read this then spend 10 mins looking at names in unsecured lotto,s new and old and guess what!
After this and many other scams some of the people are still buying into unsecured lottos LOLLOL
There are lottos with no securing happening now and people still do it TUT TUT shame on you all.

Please please EVE = DONT TRUST ANYONE

Scams

A scam is what happens when someone takes advantage of your misplaced trust, temporary confusion or ignorance of game rules, and robs you via legal in-game means. When this occurs, there is nothing the Support Team can do for you. Although low and despicable, scams do not violate any game mechanics and can not be compensated for by the GMs, nor can the scammers generally be punished for their actions.

SORRY FOR YOUR LOSS BUT GOD WHAT ARE YOU DOING SEND IT MY WAY IN FUTUREBlink
P,S its only a game


Yep it's only a game and in reality we didn't lose a lot of isk in comparison to eve earnings but a lot of players who probably don't have the kind of disposable isk the larger players do got hit as well (should they have been playing? That's a question for another topic i guess).
The good news is that the number of corps willing to do extended empire, null and WH ship and pod ganks on specific targets has risen commensurately with the number of lotto scammers.
I look forward to receiving the multiple KM's and finally seeing the toons don't exist because the only way out was biomass Evil

The Nexus 7's

What we fall short of in numbers we more than make up for in stupidity

Xenuria
#8 - 2012-01-06 03:15:07 UTC
Well Done...
Gary Bell
Therapy.
Brave Collective
#9 - 2012-01-06 13:20:02 UTC
3/ 10 Cuz you made this stupidly long wall of text.. btw 30 bil isnt that much isk
Dwayne Diblesley
Doomheim
#10 - 2012-01-06 14:38:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Dwayne Diblesley
+ The big man has all his facts wrong Attention

How do i know you askQuestion


well BOB COSMIC is me waaahaaahaa

Story time:

Once upon a time i bumped into a char by the name of synthec who,s corp i joined,It was nice at first doing some lvl 4,s and PI together,then synthec sold me his corp [the corp behind cosmic lottos] so my alt tron crendraven became CEO.
Then shortly after, bob cosmic and dwane dibblesley where born,bob stayed in contact with synthec [Then tosh slicer] and slowly the scams began.

Tosh/tash would sell me ships/items for a very good price and recive free tickets/isk to unwittingly maximise my lotto profit thus filtering my iskies,this happened for a wile and not ADW/TASH/TOSH/BARRY ever had a clue [as for gosol win/Tracie Holden who the hell are they]

So you see this scam did better than you think as my alts where covered by a great big smoke screen as i planed it that way Lol

And ADW/TASH/TOSH/BARRY ETC ETC Let this be a big lesson to you all as the scam was planed a long time before i came across you suckers Evil

O and thanks ADW for talking me into unsecuring my lottos in private chat that day as in you words y bother with people like somer because they are to slow to pay out.

So girls and boys its been fun.

Dwayne Diblesley / Aka bob cosmic

P.s look after bob for me
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2012-01-06 15:48:27 UTC
Is it just me or all of this is just one stupid long drama ####ing match.

Come to think of it...who the hell would buy a char just to "investigate" a scam?

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Tron Crendraven
Doomheim
#12 - 2012-01-06 15:59:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Tron Crendraven
TBH i did not know he was buying bob from me but another 1.4b in the kitty.
And most of the prize transactions he would not be able to see anyway.
And i have never and will never reveal my main to anyone so be carefull out there DTA.

Tron Crendraven/Aka bob cosmic

O and are you and your corp mates enjoying my new lottos iv seen you and kast but not tash yet What?
AssassinationsdoneWrong
Deep Core Mining Inc.
#13 - 2012-01-06 18:13:24 UTC
Dwayne Diblesley wrote:

So you see this scam did better than you think as my alts where covered by a great big smoke screen as i planed it that way Lol

And ADW/TASH/TOSH/BARRY ETC ETC Let this be a big lesson to you all as the scam was planed a long time before i came across you suckers Evil

O and thanks ADW for talking me into unsecuring my lottos in private chat that day as in you words y bother with people like somer because they are to slow to pay out.




These two statements are in contradiction with each other Jackass! If I had you talked you into dropping Somer as a 3rd party (which I didn't) then you can't have planned (note spelling not planed) it way ahead of time and before meeting me.

Facts stand as they are, you made off with a lot of peoples money in a scam so well done (Not sure how scams actually admitted to and run in the forums stand up as far as EULA. I thought there was an "only in game" type clause but I guess we'll see)

You created your own father's death as well which I salute you for because I'm not sure I've ever seen anybody willing to sink that low but that's the great thing about EvE ..... someone is always lowering the bar.

The Nexus 7's

What we fall short of in numbers we more than make up for in stupidity

Tron Crendraven
Doomheim
#14 - 2012-01-06 18:23:45 UTC
AssassinationsdoneWrong wrote:
Dwayne Diblesley wrote:

So you see this scam did better than you think as my alts where covered by a great big smoke screen as i planed it that way Lol

And ADW/TASH/TOSH/BARRY ETC ETC Let this be a big lesson to you all as the scam was planed a long time before i came across you suckers Evil

O and thanks ADW for talking me into unsecuring my lottos in private chat that day as in you words y bother with people like somer because they are to slow to pay out.




These two statements are in contradiction with each other Jackass! If I had you talked you into dropping Somer as a 3rd party (which I didn't) then you can't have planned (note spelling not planed) it way ahead of time and before meeting me.

Facts stand as they are, you made off with a lot of peoples money in a scam so well done (Not sure how scams actually admitted to and run in the forums stand up as far as EULA. I thought there was an "only in game" type clause but I guess we'll see)

You created your own father's death as well which I salute you for because I'm not sure I've ever seen anybody willing to sink that low but that's the great thing about EvE ..... someone is always lowering the bar.


Ahh but you did say drop somer,And you did say i would be better going it alone,And i was always going to anyway but thanks for the support,I just wanted to make things clear that you think you know the facts but you never will {as proved by gunning for you fist hunch}

And i think you will find im within the EULA as i have as much right to post here as much as you.

O and i just won a lotto you where in CHING CHING

The real bob cosmic Roll
Barakkus
#15 - 2012-01-06 18:26:41 UTC
AssassinationsdoneWrong wrote:
Dwayne Diblesley wrote:

So you see this scam did better than you think as my alts where covered by a great big smoke screen as i planed it that way Lol

And ADW/TASH/TOSH/BARRY ETC ETC Let this be a big lesson to you all as the scam was planed a long time before i came across you suckers Evil

O and thanks ADW for talking me into unsecuring my lottos in private chat that day as in you words y bother with people like somer because they are to slow to pay out.




These two statements are in contradiction with each other Jackass! If I had you talked you into dropping Somer as a 3rd party (which I didn't) then you can't have planned (note spelling not planed) it way ahead of time and before meeting me.

Facts stand as they are, you made off with a lot of peoples money in a scam so well done (Not sure how scams actually admitted to and run in the forums stand up as far as EULA. I thought there was an "only in game" type clause but I guess we'll see)

You created your own father's death as well which I salute you for because I'm not sure I've ever seen anybody willing to sink that low but that's the great thing about EvE ..... someone is always lowering the bar.



You may want to check your own spelling and grammar when pointing out the spelling and grammar mistakes of someone else's post.

http://youtu.be/yytbDZrw1jc

drol tack
Peaceful Neutrality
Not Purple Shoot It.
#16 - 2012-01-06 19:01:08 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Spitfire
Please refrain from personal attacks. Spitfire
Tron Crendraven
Doomheim
#17 - 2012-01-06 19:13:17 UTC
Hay you seem legit to me,I have no problems with you,I just wanted to win a lotto that he was in that is all.

I used to be bob then life and isk got ontop of me X
Ubiquitous Forum Alt
#18 - 2012-01-06 19:22:35 UTC
So....

Either

A - Tron = Barry = tash, etc....and you have needlessly exposed an additional alt for the war dec list (honestly probably not even a noticeable difference in the cost of mercs to add 1 alt....) Oops

Or

B - Tron is the real mastermind.....and he GAVE AWAY ALL OF THE ISK HE SCAMMED to Barry, tash, etc....So they are innocent dupes who got 30+ billion free isk....and you are the evil mastermind with....uh...nothing Shocked


Tough call......

Ironically, it doesn't matter much either way....Because most confirmed EVE Trillionaires have nothing better to spend their isk on than hiring mercs to hunt you, your alts, your friends, your friends' alts, your casual acquaintances, and even your imaginary friends if they feel like it....

Particularly if they feel it is for a cause such as defending their reputation that enables them to make all that isk...


So uh...A for effort on the trolling.....but you need some work on your common sense. Ugh

I don't log in - I don't need to. My very existence griefs people. They see my name, and they instinctively fill with rage and indignation. Deny it all you want - but if you didn't care, you wouldn't have posted, would you?

drol tack
Peaceful Neutrality
Not Purple Shoot It.
#19 - 2012-01-06 19:33:28 UTC
Tron Crendraven wrote:
TBH i did not know he was buying bob from me but another 1.4b in the kitty.
And most of the prize transactions he would not be able to see anyway.
And i have never and will never reveal my main to anyone so be carefull out there DTA.

Tron Crendraven/Aka bob cosmic

O and are you and your corp mates enjoying my new lottos iv seen you and kast but not tash yet What?



if you were not trying to ruin my rep wich you did please state the lotto that you mentioned in the quote above
Ralnik
Mutineers
#20 - 2012-01-06 19:39:32 UTC
Cosmic Bob would have been a better name..
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