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How my wallet ended up in the negative millions : A cautionary tale

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Terrance Amatin
#1 - 2015-11-03 22:20:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Terrance Amatin
It started out with me checking out Eve-central for potential goods to trade between stations.
I eventually noticed that "Standard Sooth Sayer Booster" was sold for 900 k in Derelik
and bought for upwards of 2 million in The Citadel and The Forge.

I make my way to Hothomouh VII - Moon 2 - Ammatar Fleet Assembly Plant in my unfitted Velator.
As i arrive i see that there are still about 80 Standard Sooth Sayer Booster for sale, i buy 43, leaving me with about 10 Million in my wallet.

As i undock, i get a message telling me I'm carrying contraband.
Oh well, I've already sunk most of my money into the cargo, what is the worst thing that could happen? i think to myself.

I continue to undock and as i jump through the first star gate, CONCORD sends me a message prompt to let them confiscate my cargo.

I see that I'm already jumping at this point, so i just hit "NO"
I repeat this process 7 times, at which point i notice my wallet flashing.

I open it up and see that I've been fined 6 Million each time I've jumped to another system, and now my balance is at -30 million isk.

screenshot

At this point, my ship has stopped in front of a star gate and CONCORD prompts me to hand over my cargo once again.
I hit no, and this time i cant get through the star gate, and they proceed to blow up my ship.

That was the end of my little story.

Even if i had gotten to Jita to sell my goods, I now realize that the 6 Million isk fine for each jump would have accumulated to more that which i payed for the goods, as well as any profit.

I will probably manage to get out of this hole, but it seems like a pretty bad thing, if it were to happen to a new player.
all it took was me buying something for 900K isk.

What would be the best place for me to send feedback to CCP regarding this?

Edit: Kind folks have already set me up with a loan, I'm fine now.
But i still think it would be horrible if this happened to new players.
Lord LazyGhost
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2015-11-03 22:26:36 UTC
moral of the story if you're going to move drugs do it in a insta warp ceptor and concord leave you alone :P
Terrance Amatin
#3 - 2015-11-03 22:42:34 UTC
Lord LazyGhost wrote:
moral of the story if you're going to move drugs do it in a insta warp ceptor and concord leave you alone :P



would that prevent the fines as well?
I mean, if i knew i could get into negative credits, or even if the contraband prompt would have been on the purchase of the item instead of on the exit of the station, i would probably not have tried.
Chopper Rollins
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2015-11-03 23:15:39 UTC
Put that stuff in an instawarp ceptor and stock an NPC null station. Gonna take some research, see where it's needed, see where it sells. Needs some nerve to move 100s of millions through hostiles. Use a scout. Could pay off.
Moving that stuff TO Jita?
TLDR get out of hisec.



Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
Tisiphone Dira
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2015-11-04 00:09:32 UTC
it's not concord, it's customs

Gawd!

There once was a ganker named tisi

A stunningly beautiful missy

To gank a gross miner

There is nothing finer, cept when they get all pissy
Gorski Car
#6 - 2015-11-04 01:11:46 UTC
Don't do drugs kids

(I know the mechanics for this could be done way better)

Collect this post
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#7 - 2015-11-04 01:15:43 UTC
I must confess... I chuckled way more than I should have reading this.

How did you Veterans start?
d0cTeR9
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#8 - 2015-11-04 01:34:44 UTC  |  Edited by: d0cTeR9
Hahaha... i was wondering if anyone would try to move boosters unprepared... now i know Lol

I'm not sure why CCP would want to hear about your failcascade... Then again maybe they need a good laugh.

FYI if you click on the item and read it's information, it will tell you it's a illegal contraband in the eye of customs. Even if you won't read anything, the first jump into high sec would have poped up a nice warning and at worst you would have paid 1x fine or even the first undock into high sec...

Been around since the beginning.
k Rose
Aeon Interstellar Conglomerate
#9 - 2015-11-04 02:33:02 UTC
BILLIONS MISSING
Here what they told me "Do you have a screen print of your wallet from 2013"

We are truly sorry !!!


This is what I told them, I'm not mad it easy to make isk and the sad part it's "True" isk is easy to make.
PhantomMajor
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2015-11-04 04:09:54 UTC
OP you were flagged by Customs Officers not Concord, in theory you can engage them without Concord getting involved...although I have not tested this yet.

Customs officers move around and can't cover every hi sec entry point from low or null sec...I use a stealth bomber as it has a larger cargo hold than an interceptor
Capsuleer Service Executive
Nornir Research
#11 - 2015-11-04 05:17:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Capsuleer Service Executive
What amazes me is he undocked and actually got away from the station in Hothomouh. That place is perma-camped most of the time. I've lost two ships to the station camp back on other toons.

EDIT: Both times I was trying to lift cheap goods. I think we have found some phishers. Pirate


/cse

EACS™ - Estel Arador Capsuleer & Corp Services - Spreading the Love
Obadja
Perkone
Caldari State
#12 - 2015-11-04 05:47:04 UTC
Thank you!
made my day.


CCP, can we have a collection of these stories and make a book out of it, something like:
If you have done something stupid : blame CCP

The EVE mantras:

# Don't fly what you cannot afford to loose ## Work in RL Play in Eve ## Don't build a relationship towards your ship, it won't last ## Press F12, do the Career Agent missions ##
Globby
Never Ignorant Gettin' Goals Accomplished
Gimme Da Loot
#13 - 2015-11-04 05:49:17 UTC
Gorski Car wrote:
I know the mechanics for this could be done way better


ya probably
Ajunta Pal
Sith Wannabies Annonymous
#14 - 2015-11-04 06:45:22 UTC
Wait till you look at your standings, you probably just trashed your standings with whatever empires space you were traveling through.
Otso Bakarti
Doomheim
#15 - 2015-11-04 08:00:27 UTC
I fought the law and the law won!

There just isn't anything that can be said!
Highsec Purifier
Doomheim
#16 - 2015-11-04 11:29:56 UTC
Check your wallet op
Terrance Amatin
#17 - 2015-11-04 12:39:54 UTC
A lot of people say this is my own fault, and yes, i totally agree, I didn't make this thread to say otherwise.

I could have avoided it by researching the item before i bought it, to see that it was contraband.
but i didn't, and the hilarious events that unfolded ended me up with a wallet balance of negative 30 mil.

Which i can probably cope with since i had a few ships stashed here and there that i could use for mining or ratting.

The issue i have with the situation, is that it was so easy to get in, if a new player does the same, he/she wont have a safety net to fall back on.

I think getting blown up, and getting negative rating with local factions is fine, but the fines that left me in the negative seem a bit excessive.

d0cTeR9 wrote:
Hahaha... i was wondering if anyone would try to move boosters unprepared... now i know Lol

I'm not sure why CCP would want to hear about your failcascade... Then again maybe they need a good laugh.

FYI if you click on the item and read it's information, it will tell you it's a illegal contraband in the eye of customs. Even if you won't read anything, the first jump into high sec would have poped up a nice warning and at worst you would have paid 1x fine or even the first undock into high sec...



I think the warning might be better at the actual purchase screen, instead of telling me i have contraband on my ship as i undock.

In hindsight, knowing i could get negative balance, what i should have done is to put the goods back on the market and wait for someone else to buy them, but i didnt know that at the time, and im sure new players wont either.

The popup boxes telling me to surrender my cargo didn't really communicate to me ( unless i missed that part ) that i would get fined if i ran.
And after the first warning, i was on the run, who has time to read stuff at that point?
Which is why i noticed my wallet flashing after 7 jumps.

I just think it is too easy for new players to get totally wrecked by something like this, main issue being the negative wallet aspect.

Highsec Purifier wrote:
Check your wallet op


Thanks man, really appreciate it, I've already gotten a loan from another player, so if you want your money back, let me know.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#18 - 2015-11-04 12:42:44 UTC
Terrance Amatin wrote:
It started out with me checking out Eve-central for potential goods to trade between stations.
I eventually noticed that "Standard Sooth Sayer Booster" was sold for 900 k in Derelik
and bought for upwards of 2 million in The Citadel and The Forge.

I make my way to Hothomouh VII - Moon 2 - Ammatar Fleet Assembly Plant in my unfitted Velator.
As i arrive i see that there are still about 80 Standard Sooth Sayer Booster for sale, i buy 43, leaving me with about 10 Million in my wallet.

As i undock, i get a message telling me I'm carrying contraband.
Oh well, I've already sunk most of my money into the cargo, what is the worst that could happen? i think to myself.

I continue to undock and as i jump through the first star gate, CONCORD sends me a message prompt to let them confiscate my cargo.

I see that I'm already jumping at this point, so i just hit "NO"
I repeat this process 7 times, at which point i notice my wallet flashing.

I open it up and see that I've been fined 6 Million each time I've jumped to another system, and now my balance is at -30 million isk.

screenshot

At this point, my ship has stopped in front of a star gate and CONCORD prompts me to hand over my cargo once again.
I hit no, and this time i cant get trough the star gate, and they proceed to blow up my ship.

That was the end of my little story.

Even if i had gotten to Jita to sell my goods, I now realize that the 6 Million isk fine for each jump would have accumulated to more that which i payed for the goods, as well as any profit.

I will probably manage to get out of this hole, but it seems like a pretty bad thing, if it were to happen to a new player.
all it took was me buying something for 900K isk.

What would be the best place for me to send feedback to CCP regarding this?

Edit: Kind folks have already set me up with a loan, I'm fine now.
But i still think it would be horrible if this happened to new players.



Don't click through warnings until you're sure you know what they say.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Angel T Hunter
Republic Military School
#19 - 2015-11-04 12:44:31 UTC
story made me laugh! XD
Terrance Amatin
#20 - 2015-11-04 12:54:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Terrance Amatin
Malcanis wrote:



Don't click through warnings until you're sure you know what they say.



Is there a way to read that warning now in hindsight?

Angel T Hunter wrote:
story made me laugh! XD


Hehe yeah, it is pretty funny, which is partly why i decided to post it here instead of just sending a support email.
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