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Tornikas
Outfit 418
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#1 - 2015-11-02 17:26:01 UTC
Hello, i like to do some mission's / shoot npc's but still strugeling with a ship/fitting.

I was thinking about a Raven? (training skills for a Navy Raven)
can somehelp me with a fitting ?

http://eveboard.com/pilot/Tornikas
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#2 - 2015-11-02 18:02:38 UTC
My Raven was equipped with the following:

HIGH
06 x Cruise Missile Launcher I
01 x SMALL TRACTOR BEAM 1
01 x SALVAGER I

MEDIUM
04 x LARGE SHIELD EXTENDERS
01 x 'HYPHNOS' ECM
01 x MEDIUM SHIELD BOOSTER

LOW
01 x EMERGENCY DAMAGE CONTROL
01 x ARMOR KINETIC HARDENER I
01 x ARMOR THREMIC HARDENER I
02 x WARP CORE STABILIZER I

DRONES
02 x WARRIOR I DRONES
03 x HAMMERHEAD I DRONES

UPGRADES
01 x ROCKET FUEL CACHE PARTINTION I
01 x BAY LOADING ACCELERATOR I


Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#3 - 2015-11-02 18:03:59 UTC
A little bit of EVE history for you, on this Monday afternoon :)

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

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voetius
Grundrisse
#4 - 2015-11-02 18:54:48 UTC

I don't have a fit as I haven't used a Raven for many years, however, Liang's Raven is still the only fit that I would recommend to anyone (I did fit one up in Jita a few months ago just to see what figures it put out as I'm a bit of a Luddite and don't use EFT :) )

There used to be a link to it in the mission survival guide if you have a bookmark for that or use your google-fu. It's called Liang's Raven as the fit was popularised by Liang Nuren (sp?).

The main points are that it has a cap boosted tank, so get rid of that shield boost amp, a cap booster with 800s is your get out of jail card, it will save you when things go wrong, always have 5 charges loaded plus 14 - 16 in cargo. I would suggest you always use Fury cruise and have a few hundred precisions as they help clearing small stuff. Others will disagree and say use T1 ammo as it is cheaper, but they aren't considering that Fury can make things go a lot faster so it costs you a bit more isk but you get it back in faster completion times.

100MN Afterburner as BS are slow.

Several flights of T2 small drones because you will lose some. Don't use mediums.

Consider using ascendency implants.

Don't use CCC rigs, DPS is a tank as well, and with a cap boosted tank they are a waste.

Decide what you want to do with the high utility slot(s). Tractor works well for snagging mission cans. Nosferatu works if you don't have a cap boosted tank, which you should have.

Maybe even try an auto-targetter.

Don't fit 4 BCS, a sig amp is probably better imo than the last one which will only add a small amount of dps, plug some missile hardwires in to give you more dps if you want it.
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#5 - 2015-11-02 19:41:26 UTC
voetius wrote:

The main points are that it has a cap boosted tank, so get rid of that shield boost amp, a cap booster with 800s is your get out of jail card, it will save you when things go wrong, always have 5 charges loaded plus 14 - 16 in cargo.





Don't both with separate cap booster/SB modules - get a Large or XL Ancillary Shield Booster, which will be more than enough for most missions.

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

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Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#6 - 2015-11-02 20:19:21 UTC
Don't. You better off training fro a Vargur or Macherial.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#7 - 2015-11-02 20:54:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Aihaken
Bumblefck wrote:
My Raven was equipped with the following:

Not this sh*t again. It was borderline funny the first time...

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#8 - 2015-11-02 21:15:29 UTC
Tornikas wrote:
Hello, i like to do some mission's / shoot npc's but still strugeling with a ship/fitting.

I was thinking about a Raven? (training skills for a Navy Raven)
can somehelp me with a fitting ?

Yes, but first what region are you planning to mission in? The Raven will do well in any of them, but there some ships (Amarr, etc.) that are ideally-suited for each region. With respect to a fit, I find these components will serve you well for a Raven missile fit:

• Mid or High-grade Ascendancy implants (slot 1-5)
• Eifyr and Co. WS-615 implant (slot 6)

• 6x Cruise Missile Launcher II, Fury cruise missiles
• Small Tractor Beam II or Drone Link Augmentor

• 500MN Quad LiF Restrained Microwapdrive
• 2x Missile Guidance Computer II, precision-scripted
• 2x Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
• 1x Pithum C-Type X-Large Shield Booster
• 1x Large Micro Jump Drive

• 2x Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System
• 1x Ballistic Control System II
• Nanofiber Internal Structure II or Inertial Stabilizers II
• Damage Control II or Co-processor II

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2015-11-03 02:39:58 UTC
Be aware that missile boats are not popular in incursion fleets and the current ship of choice for blitzing 4s is the Mach due to warp speed bonuses adding more to ISK/hr than DPS does.

On the plus side the Raven with Missile Skills and Caldari BS levels leads longterm to a Rattlesnake Barghest or Golem so If that is the sort of thing you see yourself flying eventually the Raven is a good choice.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#10 - 2015-11-03 03:55:52 UTC
large projectiles 5
cruise missiles 1

yea, I'd go with a mach. If you really want a raven we can talk about it, but I'd go with nearly any other option.

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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#11 - 2015-11-03 13:54:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
large projectiles 5
cruise missiles 1

yea, I'd go with a mach. If you really want a raven we can talk about it, but I'd go with nearly any other option.


Totally agree. Below is the mach fit i gave to my buddy who was new to the game.

[Machariel, Incursion Conversion]
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Internal Force Field Array I
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II

Pith X-Type Large Shield Booster
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large Micro Jump Drive
Core X-Type 500MN Microwarpdrive

800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP L
Small Tractor Beam II

Large Core Defense Field Extender II
Large Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II
Large Projectile Collision Accelerator I

Hobgoblin II x11
Hammerhead II x5
Hammerhead II x2
Republic Fleet EMP L x6000
Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L x6000
Republic Fleet Fusion L x6000
Hail L x3000

Not the best, most optimized mission running mach, but it can survive and complete any lvl 4 mission (the MJD is jsut that extra get out of jail free card, had to teach my bro how to make sure kept enough cap to mjd out though). The thing about this fit is that it has the basic level incursion rigs for the Community I run with, so he could refit and join an incursion fleet with little hassle:

[Machariel, Incursion DPS]
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Damage Control II

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Gist X-Type EM Ward Field
Shadow Serpentis Tracking Computer, Tracking Speed Script
Core X-Type 500MN Microwarpdrive

800mm Repeating Cannon II, Hail L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Hail L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Hail L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Hail L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Hail L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Hail L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Hail L
Small Tractor Beam II

Large Core Defense Field Extender II
Large Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II
Large Projectile Collision Accelerator I

Hobgoblin II x11
Hammerhead II x7

Machariel, ONE SHIP TO RULE THEM ALL lol.


Tl;DR, get into incursions, better isk, better overall experience than running missions, and a quick refit means you can run missions when there are no incursions. Hell, I've had it where no missions were close so i just jumped around doing high sec anomalies just outside the incursion pocket lol.
Lan Wang
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2015-11-03 14:32:39 UTC
Bumblefcks raven is max lvl Big smile

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#13 - 2015-11-03 17:49:05 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Bumblefck wrote:
My Raven was equipped with the following:

Not this sh*t again. It was borderline funny the first time...




It's also not funny to deliberately bypass the profanity filter. Learn2forum.

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

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Tohkat Sinawi
Sinawi Exploration Corp
#14 - 2015-11-04 00:17:04 UTC
Honestly... if you don't know how to fit a basic Raven...

Go back to the Caracal and learn how to successfully run L2s in an active-tanked Caracal. I would prefer to recommend you to battlecruisers, but the Caldari battlecruisers use a different kind of tanking than does the Raven or Caracal (they passive-tank).

Active tank means using a shield booster and shield hardener modules.

What you're asking is "how do I build the most basic of PvE fits", to which I recommend you start with something cheap and simple before you try something expensive, hard to fly, and SP intensive.
Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#15 - 2015-11-04 00:37:04 UTC
I ran a shield Machariel for quite some time but found that the armor Mach (in my opinion*) beats it by quite a decent margin in terms of blitzing and isk/h. Fit's in my sig.

*YMMV

A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.2.3
Ion Kirst
KIRSTONE ALLIANCE
#16 - 2015-11-04 02:11:25 UTC
There are some variants in fitting a Raven, it all comes down to each individual's taste. Some fits can be solid like Liang's old fit. That fit was before the Raven got that 7th midslot.

Here is a slight modification to Liang's Raven:

rigs:
2 x rigors
1 x flare

highs:
6 x Cruise T2, fury missiles
Tractor Beam II

Mids:
Pith b-type XL shield Booster
SBA II
2 x mission specific hardeners
1 x mission specific amplifier
Heavy Cap Booster II, 800 charges
TP, or AB, or Webber (depends)

Lows:
4 x Caldari BCUs
Signal Amp II, or DCII (depends)

drones:
10 x light T2

Try that fit out first and then adjust it to suit yourself.

Don't bother with Ascendency implants. Even with those you'll never break any speed records. (She's built for comfort, not speed)
Maybe go with Mid grade Crystals, that will help you with the shields.
Then use CM603, MP703, GP803/5, TN903, RL1003/5.

Using that 4th BCU is like adding 3% to you damage output. That's like a 3% implant.

The above fit gives me 1003dps, and 6171 volley. 3BCUs gives me 940dps and 5961 volley. (yeah I could go with a T2 BCU as the 4th, but money is longer an object.)

I also get a shield boost rate of 1362hp/4s.

You have a lot of gunnery skills, so maybe you should lean in that direction. But you did ask for a Raven fit. You'll have to work on your drone skills.

-Kirst

Always remember Tovil-Toba, and what was done there.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#17 - 2015-11-04 02:20:15 UTC
Tohkat Sinawi wrote:
Honestly... if you don't know how to fit a basic Raven...

Go back to the Caracal and learn how to successfully run L2s in an active-tanked Caracal. I would prefer to recommend you to battlecruisers, but the Caldari battlecruisers use a different kind of tanking than does the Raven or Caracal (they passive-tank).

Active tank means using a shield booster and shield hardener modules.

What you're asking is "how do I build the most basic of PvE fits", to which I recommend you start with something cheap and simple before you try something expensive, hard to fly, and SP intensive.

just because you can passive tank it doesn't mean you should.

although in lv3s just throwing an invlun on a drake is more than enough tank for almost every mission, I'm not sure you even need one, as the drake has a resist bonus.

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