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Jenshae Chiroptera
#21 - 2015-11-02 22:56:58 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
I would like industrials to have a tank.
Many of them are paper bags with nothing but a cargo space.

CCP serving up victims on a silver plate with apples in their mouths.

The majority of the haulers can fit a good tank. Even the 4 that can be classified as paper bags can be fit to be 99% immune to gankers. They are very well balanced right now assuming you are not greedy and/or ignorant. If you are either, you should be punished.
They don't have enough tank for an escort mission.
It is like mining - dock or die.

Evade / reach the gate or die.

No stand and fight options.
Just a kill or not killed situation.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Paranoid Loyd
#22 - 2015-11-02 23:10:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
They don't have enough tank for an escort mission.
This doesn't make any sense. Please elaborate.

Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
It is like mining - dock or die.
No, not really. There is no point in hauling where you are as vulnerable as mining in an asteroid belt. You really have to be incompetent to be this vulnerable in a hauler.
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Evade / reach the gate or die. No stand and fight options. Just a kill or not killed situation.
Why would it be any other way for a hauling ship?

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2015-11-03 03:25:10 UTC
Otso Bakarti
Doomheim
#24 - 2015-11-03 07:07:50 UTC
Risk Averse - someone with no death wish. Beware those who walk in front of moving buses
claiming you're unduly cowardly if you don't. They call you names, "Risk Averse" to divert attention
from themselves - who can be described by another name - witless.

There just isn't anything that can be said!
Netan MalDoran
Cathedral.
Shadow Cartel
#25 - 2015-11-03 07:31:03 UTC
Otso Bakarti wrote:
Risk Averse - someone with no death wish. Beware those who walk in front of moving buses
claiming you're unduly cowardly if you don't. They call you names, "Risk Averse" to divert attention
from themselves - who can be described by another name - witless.


I'm just sitting here reading your post.....then reading your signature......then reading your post again.... What?

"Your security status has been lowered." - Hell yeah it was!

Falcon's truth
Khan Wrenth
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2015-11-03 08:08:22 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
I would like industrials to have a tank.
Many of them are paper bags with nothing but a cargo space.

CCP serving up victims on a silver plate with apples in their mouths.


My transport ship has ridiculous tank and enough slots for immense versatility in fitting. Sure it's not a T1 industrial, but T1 is basic bare-bones ships for a reason. If you want a great ship, go transport. Just by skilling it up, a transport ship has great tank. Then you put modules on, and train up thermodynamics to take advantage of the role bonus to overheating, and you have a crown jewel of a cargo ship. And you have fitting room for MWD, cloak, and whatever else your imagination brings you.

Let's discuss overhauling the way we get intel in EvE.
David Therman
#27 - 2015-11-03 12:17:36 UTC
As Lloyd already alluded to, half the "tank" has nothing to do with fitting your ship, it's the lump of grey matter between our ears, specifically how you use said lump. One loss stands out vividly in my mind (among other items); 6 odd PLEX, a vigilant and a loki all thrown into a fully expanded mammoth (rigs 'n all) with 1 adaptive field serving as the "tank". You just can't account for stupid.
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#28 - 2015-11-03 13:08:52 UTC
If the Occator had a drone damage bonus it would be more powerful than a HAC.

Seriously, industrial ships these days are nothing to **** with if they're actually fit properly. It's completely disingenuous to argue that they aren't survivable.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#29 - 2015-11-03 17:54:57 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
If the Occator had a drone damage bonus it would be more powerful than a HAC.

Seriously, industrial ships these days are nothing to **** with if they're actually fit properly. It's completely disingenuous to argue that they aren't survivable.
Logi decloak + lock time before sebo gankers blow it away
(The 1 billion ISK fit does not count)

As to competance, have a look at how many industrials I have lost in how ever many years I have been here. Blink

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
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