EVE General Discussion

Although I no longer live in a wh, I haven't seen any posts on the subject in regards to these proposed changes, and am interested in how these changes will impact pve gangs trying to run escalations, as refitting capitals under fire is something of a necessity, atleast in small gangs. Will the changes impact refitting only from other capitals, or mobile depos as well? Does this new capital class set off its own escalation event? I feel like these changes will have a million small / large impacts on WH space, both PvE and PvP, and while I know people have mixed feelings on the subject, it still is an important aspect of the game that the devs don't overlook with these capital and refit changes :/

Refitting during combat is probably the lamest use of a mechanic that clever players ever came up with. Glad to see it removed.

Don't forget you're getting a brand new line of 'Force Auxilary' ships in return that take over the remote repping role. I'm sure there are going to be plenty of ways to utilize those in wormhole PVE.

You can still refit under fire. You just can't refit with a weapons timer.
However considering all the other kinds of changes to Capitals, like them getting actual sub cap blap guns that track like large turrets (Where are the large ones that track like medium and the mediums that track like smalls CCP, why do only drones and missiles get this) that will make it much easier to kill with the dreads, T2 weapons & modules etc.
Trying to actually say what impact a single change is going to have is pretty impossible.

XL guns are getting nuffed to not be able to apply damage to subcaps. That means escal dreads will need to use the new tracking guns. Right now they are talking about 2-3k damage *in siege*. That means it is going to take much longer and your vulnerable for longer. further the total EHP of dreads and caps is getting a hit.

One thing is for sure. You won't be able to run escals the way we do now. But i don't see that as a bad thing.

Citadels sound great for WH space. Since now you don't have to have either dozens of POS or a fairly communal ship arrays.

However I am still not totally happy with the "they don't shoot unless manned", it makes drive buys far too easy. I don't really want to be a bigger corp and people take holidays. We just can't be on for 3/6/21 hours every single week. It is one of the reasons i play eve over other games. I don't have to grind XP/SP. I dont' have to log in every week. Bigger groups this is no problem. But WH space is one area that smaller groups can do fine in. It just seems silly and one reason i just wont deploy a citadel until we are a bigger corp.

Having said that. 2 weeks ago i did forget to fuel a pos that was offline all weekend and no one touched it. Had about 12 tengus in it. Dont' worry i moved em all now.

In combat refitting is a pretty bad mechanic really. It bypasses the whole concept of making fitting trade -offs to fill a specific role. I'll be sad to see it go but it is probably for the best.

The problem is we go on holidays. We have real jobs etc. I play eve because i can go away for few weeks. We had a month this year where no one was online. I was in Mexico one of the other guys was having a baby etc... It is not a problem now, only something that wants to kill my towers can. However if someone comes past a citadel that doesn't shoot back and is the vulnerability window, they don't have to anything but shoot for a while with almost no commitment of a force. And since i am in WH, we lose *everything*.

A Big bloody space station should shoot back. Sure when away i can still be evicted much easier than if i was online. But they at least need to bring a serious fleet (logi etc), not just a battleship or 2.

Yes A large POS works well because you can't sit there and blap in anything less than a fleet for POS blaping, and in a WH that is a bit of a PITA. You got to want to do it. Meaning you don't do it as a drive by. You need at least logi or a cap. And yea a large POS is about 1 month of fuel. I landed back here with about a 3 days of fuel left in all the POSes.

Clearly a month is a bit extreme. But I can easily see a a week being a pain during holidays. I am not asking for unmanned stations to be good. Just enough that a lone BS or a few t3 can't stay on grid forever. Sure they can get friends, as they can now. But just a bit more commitment than... hay its a unfueled pos.

And i don't really want to be a bigger corp. 5-10 real players is about right for they way i like to play.

So it stands. I don't like the fact it won't shoot back unless manned.

Unless Sleeper capital are introduced, dreads will be useless in PVE and from what i hear CCP are going to stop people farming in their own system and force them to use other connections to earn isk. This will result in a massive drop in dread use in wormhole space, and as dreads are the only ship that really needs to refit, the change to refitting becomes irrelevant.