Market Discussions

We have no idea where players will be able to anchor these, afaik. Obviously sov nullsec, but NPC null? Low? High? I really don't think we know enough yet.

Depending on what happens with respect to the points raised above, I would say Niarja would be a good spot for one. If you had the support of someone like one of the bigger Merc alliances you might not have to worry too much about wardecs. It will be interesting to see how this all falls out.

I meant sec status of system.

According to latest info, the main reason that they will be built in highsec will affect trades to move their stuff somewhat to open citadels, or their own, (medium costs around 700M)

They get their own rig that gives somewhat market acces, but the biggest deal that affects highsec is that they have lower taxes then the NPC Tax stations, which opens up a potential higher profit

Do not expect to be able to bar people from accessing your Citadel and make a public courier contract to it, the amount of petitions it would generate would dwarf fake API scams.

contracts wont be happening from citadels for a while, because of complexity with the system so hold your horses on that one

Yeah this is what I expect and it makes them useless to me for their intended purpose.

Even if the taxes can be lower than a hub (big, big if, especially considering my standings in Dodixie), it's better to pay taxes and use haulers that undervalue their time and risk profile, than it is to do hauling myself and have to expend both tome AND however I price the risk.

You misunderstand me. Assume someone sets up a market hub in Vylade (1j from Dodixie, highsec).

When I talk about pricing of risk, I'm not comparing the risk I take docking a freighter at Dodixie 9-20 to the risk of docking a freighter at Vylade Citadel 13 - "YOLO LOLCAT TRADEZ HUB". (And yes, I expect stupid names like that).

I'm calculating the cost of losing my freighter between undocking in Jita and docking at Vylade Citadel 13, multiplying it by my best estimate of the probability of that loss happening, valuing the time it takes to perform that hauling, and comparing that sum to the market price for a collateralized contract.

The present market price for the collateralized contract wins every time. Even with a zero risk assessment (not going to happen) my time is worth more than that hauling job costs. Factor in a 1 in 1000 chance of a 4b freighter loss and that's another 4m to add in priced risk.

The economics don't favor using these hubs even if they were to (unexpectedly) be tax free.

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As someone watching the EVE vegas stream, I wondered the same thing.

I expect a lot of trade happening in High Sec to go the usual way. Besides that I assume Jita, hubs and Rooky systems will be excluded as Citadel locations. Some bigger high sec entities will have some private holdings due to price fixing for their own members. I could see a CODE private hub in Uadema for example.

However, I wonder how the public record will be compared to the current information of public record. Atm all non "direct trade" movements are public records. Contracts and the Crest API give an almost perfect market portal into any market.

When private markets start to sell products on base costs and maybe even lower, all kind of shifts can happen. People cannot simply "buyout and relist" whole regions any longer. Mass manipulation can be ignored by everyone that has access to private markets. Also, private entities can shift goods from the private market in a whim. Market fluctuation will smooth out a lot for a lot of products.

For Low Sec and Null Sec this will be even worse. All large entities will have private listings. Public listings will diminish a lot. Also all public information of this listings will disappear from Crest. EVE central will simply no longer have all information. To enter the PVP market, traders will have to cut in a part into their formula's which will include these new market risks:

- the total market volume per X time will no longer be known
- the market volume in orders will no longer be known
- the EVE avarage price will be heavily out of date
- tracking of big volume sales in the market can't be traced by alerts any longer (based on crest)
- big industrial groups will have private "free" markets to dump on, all non producers will have no access or view on this activity.

WH entities will have a less dependant on roles relating to corp hanger arrays. People now can have all stock on a private listing with access to everyone in their blue donut. Availability will go up a lot to members who can access the hubs and risks for corp theft will go down. The biggest risk is destroyed market hubs in WH space, due to the fact that markets in WHs will not have a recovery structure after destruction.

And herein I totally forgot the hauling as stated by "Gadolf Agalder". All private hubs that will have access rights for haulers will be an issue. People still can camp based on scam contracts. Also, haulers will have to acquire bleu status / private access rights to these citadels. It will be a big challenge to iron out.

In general market will even more center on a few hubs over time. Due to revenue insecurity in non trade hubs, due to private listings, a lot of volume will completely shift to the trade hubs, the only places with volume certainty.