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Mojo Joo
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#621 - 2015-10-23 08:49:58 UTC
Edriahn wrote:

You mostly get GFs in 0.0, but the tears like yours are quite entertaining, even though the action is not as fun. Big smile


Tears from "tough" guys like you have superior entertaining effects Lol
Sam Moneymaker
Zdrang
#622 - 2015-10-23 09:07:58 UTC
Aoife Fraoch wrote:
Sam Moneymaker wrote:

River of tears and bile.


We really need to just get those bingo cards done.



You just prove my point. Limited thinking!

Where are my tears? My highest loss in highsec was a buzzard killed for profit (Sister launcher fitted) while I was sleepy and forgot it on a gate....Most valuable freighter load carried alone in highsec alone in last 10days was like 8 bils....safely docked @destination. Tears? ROFL....no arguments against what I was pointing out, only same empty remarks :))))


While I am mainly a PVPer, I still cannot understand the "fun" of killing for no reason empty unarmed freighters or low value mining ships. So my conclusion: hate and despise of said gankers against players understanding to choose another way in this game. Or limited IQ. Like hating / despising in real life for skin color, religion, believes....no difference....You can be proud of only one aspect: you are part of the large 98% majority of world population.

Maybe my previous post was not clear enough...I consider highsec ganking for profit very legit...only that the system should be more balanced in terms of profits / penalties and in terms of training for both parties involved. I even tried it two times...waited each time like an hour or so...no juicy freighter ...so we jumped back in null to kill us some goonies...or got killed, either way.

Want PVP?...go in null cowards!!!...lot of it around! Let them carebears mind their own business in highsec.


Any reply against what I was saying based on a higher IQ level? Still waiting....
Black Pedro
Mine.
#623 - 2015-10-23 10:32:36 UTC
Sam Moneymaker wrote:
You just prove my point. Limited thinking!

Where are my tears? My highest loss in highsec was a buzzard killed for profit (Sister launcher fitted) while I was sleepy and forgot it on a gate....Most valuable freighter load carried alone in highsec alone in last 10days was like 8 bils....safely docked @destination. Tears? ROFL....no arguments against what I was pointing out, only same empty remarks :))))


While I am mainly a PVPer, I still cannot understand the "fun" of killing for no reason empty unarmed freighters or low value mining ships. So my conclusion: hate and despise of said gankers against players understanding to choose another way in this game. Or limited IQ. Like hating / despising in real life for skin color, religion, believes....no difference....You can be proud of only one aspect: you are part of the large 98% majority of world population.
I am afraid it is you that is demonstrating some "limited thinking". Not everyone is like you. Not everyone is plays this game with the primary purpose of establishing some sort of "space honour" in this fictional video game. Some of us enjoying playing as dastardly criminals, reveling in the lack of honour and taking what we can from other players. That is a perfectly acceptably way to play this video game, and while you have every right to think what you want about that style of play, it is 100% allowed and intended by CCP.

I take great fun in stalking my prey. The best and most satisfying kills are those complacent and rich players who don't take care of their defense. Harpooning that carebear who decided to AFK his goods around because he mistakenly thinks he is safe is the peak of my enjoyment in this game. The juicier the kill, and the safer the carebear thought he was, the better. Players are the source of risk in this game and I choose to play as an embodiment of this risk and I take great satisfaction in knowing my actions as a criminal make this game a better, more lively place for all.

As for ganking empty freighters, well once you have formed a fleet, you gotta gank something. As an FC you are responsible for keeping your fleet entertained, and if you have no better target than an empty freighter, then you'll take it. Shooting and killing a 1B ISK ship is never not fun in this game about shooting each others spaceships so I do not see what you are confused about.

And mining ships, well those a the bread-and-butter for gankers to kill. Fun to stalk, fun to make explode. Just flying a Procurer makes you almost immune to gankers and bumpers so I wouldn't shed too many tears for the poor miners - they have plenty of counters to protect themselves from criminals. Balancing the risk of gankers vs. maximizing yield is really the only game highsec miners have, so by providing risk to them I enable their game. Without gankers, highsec mining would be literally only be undock in max-yield-fit barge, warp to belt and press F1 and get free resources. That is not a game, not even a FarmVille-level resource grinding game. That is just pushing a button.

So in conclusion, feel free to "hate and despise" the gankers in this game. That is really why CCP allows such mechanics - to promote conflict and make content in this sandbox game. Take out your anger on those gankers by making them explode. But really, it isn't very kind nor polite to call other players of this video game stupid, or that they have "real-life issues" as you have done repeatedly in this thread. Not only that, calling people unfounded names and making conclusions about the player behind the keyboard solely from their actions in a video game has the very strong smell of tears, which much like blood to a shark, will attract certain attention on this forums that is not especially productive.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#624 - 2015-10-23 10:43:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Sam Moneymaker wrote:
While I am mainly a PVPer, I still cannot understand the "fun" of killing for no reason empty unarmed freighters or low value mining ships. So my conclusion: hate and despise of said gankers against players understanding to choose another way in this game. Or limited IQ. Like hating / despising in real life for skin color, religion, believes....no difference....You can be proud of only one aspect: you are part of the large 98% majority of world population.
Wow, you really are up yourself aren't you?

Killing freighters, miners etc is both market manipulation on a small scale and a way of waging economic warfare on people who use out of corp alts in their logistics chain. It's valid tactics and gameplay in a game that actively encourages to do unto others. It's also a fun social activity.

Your attributing of hatred, low IQ and bigotry in real life as reasons for doing so is offensive, ludicrous and an example of as you so succinctly put it. limited thinking, not to mention bigotry.

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Maybe my previous post was not clear enough...I consider highsec ganking for profit very legit...only that the system should be more balanced in terms of profits / penalties and in terms of training for both parties involved. I even tried it two times...waited each time like an hour or so...no juicy freighter ...so we jumped back in null to kill us some goonies...or got killed, either way.
The profit from a gank is entirely in the hands of the person being ganked; gankers have no hand in what people decide to haul, they merely take advantage of the avarice, laziness and bad choices of others. Likewise the penalties for ganking, above and beyond the ones enforced by the game, are primarily in the hands of other players.

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Want PVP?...go in null cowards!!!...lot of it around! Let them carebears mind their own business in highsec.


Any reply against what I was saying based on a higher IQ level? Still waiting....
Hisec is as much a PvP area as any other part of the game, by design; most of the juicy and unaware prey are in hisec because, for some strange reason, they believe otherwise.

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Edriahn
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#625 - 2015-10-23 10:56:50 UTC
Mojo Joo wrote:

Tears from "tough" guys like you have superior entertaining effects Lol

It wouldn't if you understood the concept of harvesting tears. Guys like me have no reason to cry. We get kills, fun and even some ISK out of it. :)

[20:46:05] Komahal > pl is cancer
Aoife Fraoch
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#626 - 2015-10-23 11:15:03 UTC
Sam Moneymaker wrote:
Aoife Fraoch wrote:
Sam Moneymaker wrote:

River of tears and bile.


We really need to just get those bingo cards done.



You just prove my point. Limited thinking!

Where are my tears? My highest loss in highsec was a buzzard killed for profit (Sister launcher fitted) while I was sleepy and forgot it on a gate....Most valuable freighter load carried alone in highsec alone in last 10days was like 8 bils....safely docked @destination. Tears? ROFL....no arguments against what I was pointing out, only same empty remarks :))))


While I am mainly a PVPer, I still cannot understand the "fun" of killing for no reason empty unarmed freighters or low value mining ships. So my conclusion: hate and despise of said gankers against players understanding to choose another way in this game. Or limited IQ. Like hating / despising in real life for skin color, religion, believes....no difference....You can be proud of only one aspect: you are part of the large 98% majority of world population.

Maybe my previous post was not clear enough...I consider highsec ganking for profit very legit...only that the system should be more balanced in terms of profits / penalties and in terms of training for both parties involved. I even tried it two times...waited each time like an hour or so...no juicy freighter ...so we jumped back in null to kill us some goonies...or got killed, either way.

Want PVP?...go in null cowards!!!...lot of it around! Let them carebears mind their own business in highsec.


Any reply against what I was saying based on a higher IQ level? Still waiting....


You posted a huge self aggrandising wall of text on a subject that you purportedly do not care about. You filled it with insults and poorly thought out arguments. If I was less cynical I might of thought you were writing a parody of some of the more common posts on banking, though I suspect you are genuine. Oh and now you are attempting to role play an intelligent person.

Please continue, I am bored and easily amused.
Mortlake
Republic Military School
#627 - 2015-10-23 12:29:14 UTC
Sam Moneymaker wrote:
Aoife Fraoch wrote:
Sam Moneymaker wrote:

River of tears and bile.


We really need to just get those bingo cards done.



You just prove my point. Limited thinking!

Where are my tears? My highest loss in highsec was a buzzard killed for profit (Sister launcher fitted) while I was sleepy and forgot it on a gate....Most valuable freighter load carried alone in highsec alone in last 10days was like 8 bils....safely docked @destination. Tears? ROFL....no arguments against what I was pointing out, only same empty remarks :))))


While I am mainly a PVPer, I still cannot understand the "fun" of killing for no reason empty unarmed freighters or low value mining ships. So my conclusion: hate and despise of said gankers against players understanding to choose another way in this game. Or limited IQ. Like hating / despising in real life for skin color, religion, believes....no difference....You can be proud of only one aspect: you are part of the large 98% majority of world population.

Maybe my previous post was not clear enough...I consider highsec ganking for profit very legit...only that the system should be more balanced in terms of profits / penalties and in terms of training for both parties involved. I even tried it two times...waited each time like an hour or so...no juicy freighter ...so we jumped back in null to kill us some goonies...or got killed, either way.

Want PVP?...go in null cowards!!!...lot of it around! Let them carebears mind their own business in highsec.


Any reply against what I was saying based on a higher IQ level? Still waiting....


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Edriahn
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#628 - 2015-10-23 14:30:07 UTC
Sam Moneymaker wrote:

Want PVP?...go in null cowards!!!...lot of it around! Let them carebears mind their own business in highsec.


Any reply against what I was saying based on a higher IQ level? Still waiting....

So what's the problem do be both in null and HS? And why call people that probably have more experience and understanding of game mechanics than you cowards and stupid? Where does all this bitterness come from? Someone must've hurt you little carebear heart too badly... Sad

[20:46:05] Komahal > pl is cancer
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#629 - 2015-10-23 15:38:48 UTC
Edriahn wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
So wait, you're saying that veterans from null are flying into highsec to "harvest the tears of noobs"? Thank you for proving my point. Roll

You mostly get GFs in 0.0, but the tears like yours are quite entertaining, even though the action is not as fun. Big smile
What tears? When I'm involved in a gank, I'm not the victim. It's quite amusing that you people seem to act like any opinion opposing your own must be tears. It's doubly funny that we're in a thread about them removing a mechanic that you are desperate for them to keep. Just HTFU and admit that you're resorting to "the tears the tears" because you have no good arguments for your point of view.

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Edriahn
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#630 - 2015-10-23 18:38:32 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
What tears? When I'm involved in a gank, I'm not the victim. It's quite amusing that you people seem to act like any opinion opposing your own must be tears. It's doubly funny that we're in a thread about them removing a mechanic that you are desperate for them to keep. Just HTFU and admit that you're resorting to "the tears the tears" because you have no good arguments for your point of view.

A thread full of people crying how unfair hyperdunking is. Arguments have been given pages and pages back. People that are not careful or just terrible at this game should their ships. It's natural order of things. In 0.0 the perpetrators, doing Darwin's work will just run off with the loot, laughing, in HS the act will get punished, but still, terrible players are not safe anywhere. Freighters moving officer torp launchers and invuls will get blown up, even if they're afk'ing on a gate in Yulai.

What you don't get is, while hyperdunking is a lot of fun, it's not essential part of the gameplay for most of the people that do it. So I'm really interested why you think anyone here is desperate for this mechanic to be kept?

[20:46:05] Komahal > pl is cancer
Anslo
Scope Works
#631 - 2015-10-23 19:23:48 UTC
Classic 'assume all the things' snigg post.

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Sam Moneymaker
Zdrang
#632 - 2015-10-23 20:06:44 UTC
Aoife Fraoch wrote:
[quote=Sam Moneymaker][quote=Aoife Fraoch][quote=Sam Moneymaker]
River of tears and bile.



You posted a huge self aggrandising wall of text on a subject that you purportedly do not care about.

I care about a game I play to be balanced! I care about playing the game without hate and/or despise in regard to other players!

Maybe my for my low intelligence (as you try to imply) is hard to get why some of your sort find amusement in seeing 'tears' of another player who is entertained in this game only by seeing a bunch of pixels moving on his screen from left to right! Or who is happy with making lots of ISK from mining, manufacturing and selling on the market while watching his virtual wallet going bigger and bigger! Is his problem, I don't see any point in harassing him and find amusement in his unhappiness cause he lost a bunch of pixels called freighter or hulk in this game!

Maybe I've seen enough bunches of your sort being strong against even stronger in groups against weaker people and running like hell when you provoke them to fight like men. Maybe I don't like to see your sort in a game. And of course CCP have decided to replicate our marvelous world and there is nothing to do. That;s why my post title was "my thoughts". Just ignore and go a carebear post and enjoy his "tears"

You filled it with insults and poorly thought out arguments.

Sorry if you feel insulted. Any argument sofar to demonstrate that I am wrong with my assessment of intellectual capabilities / state of mind of players like those killing for nothing a hulk in a belt or an empty freighter on a gate? Didn't see any yet!

If I was less cynical I might of thought you were writing a parody of some of the more common posts on banking, though I suspect you are genuine.

I am genuine! Hard to be understood by your sort, I reckon that.

Oh and now you are attempting to role play an intelligent person.

Not attempting anything. I am what God decided to be. Some people wanted to check that sometime ago and I was handed a liitle white M card.

Please continue, I am bored and easily amused.

I did. Amused as well. Thou I am afraid I will eventually lose this battle while down there is more experience on your side!
Sam Moneymaker
Zdrang
#633 - 2015-10-23 20:20:48 UTC
Edriahn wrote:
Sam Moneymaker wrote:

Want PVP?...go in null cowards!!!...lot of it around! Let them carebears mind their own business in highsec.


Any reply against what I was saying based on a higher IQ level? Still waiting....

So what's the problem do be both in null and HS? And why call people that probably have more experience and understanding of game mechanics than you cowards and stupid? Where does all this bitterness come from? Someone must've hurt you little carebear heart too badly... Sad


I was made it clear that I consider hisec ganking for profit as legit. Not balanced thou. Think is an exploit. My thoughts. I even watched you sitting on Perimeter gate with your buddy/alt homongoloss with his mach on the gate to see how a hyperdunk ganking is going on. Last days you catched nothing! Only low value freighters I guess.



Still you want to prove that you are the same sort with the other gankers. Am I wrongly sensing the despise against the ones you call carebears from your "little carebear heart"....?

I am sorry to dissapoint you, but you are wrong 99.99% of my ships are lost in null. Lost only a buzzard in hisec against another player! (Ofc, not mentioning ships lost as newbee against NPCs)
Sam Moneymaker
Zdrang
#634 - 2015-10-23 20:43:58 UTC
Black Pedro wrote:
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As for ganking empty freighters, well once you have formed a fleet, you gotta gank something. As an FC you are responsible for keeping your fleet entertained, and if you have no better target than an empty freighter, then you'll take it. Shooting and killing a 1B ISK ship is never not fun in this game about shooting each others spaceships so I do not see what you are confused about.


Will you do it anymore if you have certain penalties applied in connection with you -10 sec stat? Will you do it anymore if you train 6 mo a ganking char just to get rid of it and train another? Of course not. The FC will say : we didnt find any juicy target ...lets go now in a suicidal roaming in null. And I am not confused, just dont get your type of people being amused on someone else unhapinness...but that;s only me...continue to be what God meant you to be!


And mining ships, well those a the bread-and-butter for gankers to kill. Fun to stalk, fun to make explode. Just flying a Procurer makes you almost immune to gankers and bumpers so I wouldn't shed too many tears for the poor miners - they have plenty of counters to protect themselves from criminals. Balancing the risk of gankers vs. maximizing yield is really the only game highsec miners have, so by providing risk to them I enable their game. Without gankers, highsec mining would be literally only be undock in max-yield-fit barge, warp to belt and press F1 and get free resources. That is not a game, not even a FarmVille-level resource grinding game. That is just pushing a button.

So what? I dont follow you. That means lots of minerals on market and very cheap ships for pvp'ing....let them be tens in each belt to mine everything....they dont take my air, nor my food...nothing. Why the heck you care of one pushing a button to see how pixels from a Veldspar asteroid are going into other pixels in his cargo???? Am I wrong that you are despising the ones that in real life you dont like them being of another colour, sexual orientation or religion or whatever else I going as to unusually easy/uncomfortable/etc to your perception?

So in conclusion, feel free to "hate and despise" the gankers in this game. That is really why CCP allows such mechanics - to promote conflict and make content in this sandbox game.

When a miner or freighter pilot will come to fight???? He will keep mining...hauling...etc. You just make him unhappy of his pixels loss for a period of time. Nothing else.


Take out your anger on those gankers by making them explode.

I would....unfortunatelly the game mechanics protect them...logged until pray is bumped......

But really, it isn't very kind nor polite to call other players of this video game stupid, or that they have "real-life issues" as you have done repeatedly in this thread. Not only that, calling people unfounded names and making conclusions about the player behind the keyboard solely from their actions in a video game has the very strong smell of tears, which much like blood to a shark, will attract certain attention on this forums that is not especially productive.

Look yourself in the mirror, to your real self, assess what you think in real life about certain categories of people...like you think in this game about miners / carebears...and prove to yourself I am so wrong! And that is no connection between your RL thoughts and the way you look to those type of players in game! Prove it to yourself not to me. The enemy is always in the mirror, not posting nasty words on forums ;)
Sam Moneymaker
Zdrang
#635 - 2015-10-23 21:21:56 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:


Killing freighters, miners etc is both market manipulation on a small scale and a way of waging economic warfare on people who use out of corp alts in their logistics chain.

Sure. All the empty freighters and mining ships being killed were part a tactical plans to leave the enemy alliances without PVP resources!!!! How come I didn't figure it out yet...dumb me!

It's valid tactics and gameplay in a game that actively encourages to do unto others.

Ofc is valid as long CCP made room for it in the game. Ofc shoud be valid as a way to make good Iskies from people stupid enough to haul without protection or driving afk fully loaded freighters. But as hisec means litterally high security as per game definitions than penalties should be higher. Elsewise CCP should make entire New Eden as null sec ...i have nothing against it. Who will adapt will keep playing. Who not, free to leave. It is not me who invented the categories of solar systems. But if you give them sort of players the idea that is a safe place to make rounds with their haulers, than penalties should be harsh. Like in real life. Go in US and kill a protected animal and you will face prison for 20 years. Go in Zimbabwe and kill it 'cause if they dont catch you fast you are well away and most probably nothing will happen. Hisec vs null sec....you can take same action both regions...with harsh/null punishments. So hard to get the difference?

It's also a fun social activity.

Yeah, seen it so many times in local. Gankers mocking the player who lost his ship...as you say "fun"...social activity...yeah see it all over the place...few "strong" "men" gathering and beating up a weak one and having "fun"......formally you are right here...is a social activity for their kind.

Your attributing of hatred, low IQ and bigotry in real life as reasons for doing so is offensive, ludicrous and an example of as you so succinctly put it. limited thinking, not to mention bigotry.

LOL. As you say. I am so limited and not understanding the "socializing" and the "fun" :))

The profit from a gank is entirely in the hands of the person being ganked; gankers have no hand in what people decide to haul, they merely take advantage of the avarice, laziness and bad choices of others.

Said the same thing. Is a legit way to do ISKIES.

Likewise the penalties for ganking, above and beyond the ones enforced by the game, are primarily in the hands of other players.

You tell me that I am rude and judging wrong...look at your own statement. What is in the hand of other players? How to fight against those brave gankers sitting logged until target is bumped/aggressed? Or after they decide to kill the actual -10 sec ganking char, cause another one is ready after less than a mo of training?

Hisec is as much a PvP area as any other part of the game, by design; most of the juicy and unaware prey are in hisec because, for some strange reason, they believe otherwise.


I explained before what is the own definition of CCP about hisec. YES it could happen. But in hisec penalties to be more harsh. Never said to block the guns in hisec! And if the penalties will be harsher lets see how much of such "social fun" you will be willing to have. Elsewise, kill any targets you want for profit. As long that is higher than penalties.
Black Pedro
Mine.
#636 - 2015-10-23 22:21:18 UTC
Sam Moneymaker wrote:
Will you do it anymore if you have certain penalties applied in connection with you -10 sec stat? Will you do it anymore if you train 6 mo a ganking char just to get rid of it and train another? Of course not. The FC will say : we didnt find any juicy target ...lets go now in a suicidal roaming in null. And I am not confused, just dont get your type of people being amused on someone else unhapinness...but that;s only me...continue to be what God meant you to be!
Sure, why wouldn't I kill that empty freighter? I play the game as a criminal and fanatic claiming control of highsec. Blowing up people who do not comply with my claim to highsec is what this game is all about. Your mistake is assuming someone's unhappiness is the motivation for ganking. Tears can be amusing, but the primary goal is having fun in a video game blowing things up and enforcing your will on the sandbox. Eve is a PvP game after all, so the point to defeat the other players. Don't you take satisfaction in beating your opponent? Of course you do. Do you not engage someone because you are afraid you will hurt thier feelings? Of course not.

Sam Moneymaker wrote:
So what? I dont follow you. That means lots of minerals on market and very cheap ships for pvp'ing....let them be tens in each belt to mine everything....they dont take my air, nor my food...nothing. Why the heck you care of one pushing a button to see how pixels from a Veldspar asteroid are going into other pixels in his cargo???? Am I wrong that you are despising the ones that in real life you dont like them being of another colour, sexual orientation or religion or whatever else I going as to unusually easy/uncomfortable/etc to your perception?
You really don't understand what type of game you are playing do you? This is a single-universe, competitive sandbox game. Every resource you gather makes you relatively stronger than me. Every asset I destroy or take from you makes me stronger than you. I don't despise miners - I am competing with them. Blowing them up is fun, profitable and makes me and my organization relatively stronger in New Eden. I can sell them new mining barges for a profit. I can extort ISK from them for a profit. All perfectly good reasons to gank someone as intended by the developers of this game.

Sam Moneymaker wrote:
When a miner or freighter pilot will come to fight???? He will keep mining...hauling...etc. You just make him unhappy of his pixels loss for a period of time. Nothing else.
Really? My hanger full of corpses and loot says otherwise. My market transaction history and ISK balance say otherwise. The hours of fun I have had socializing with my fellow gankers and blowing up industrial ships says otherwise.

I don't mind if some hauler or miner fights back. On the rare occasions that happens that is interesting content too. But I am quite happy blowing up soft targets and taking thier stuff all day long. That's what criminals do.

Sam Moneymaker wrote:
Look yourself in the mirror, to your real self, assess what you think in real life about certain categories of people...like you think in this game about miners / carebears...and prove to yourself I am so wrong! And that is no connection between your RL thoughts and the way you look to those type of players in game! Prove it to yourself not to me. The enemy is always in the mirror, not posting nasty words on forums ;)
No, in this case the only one calling people names and making judgements and assumptions of people they have never met is you. You are the only one putting people into categories and deciding them inferior to you and your views. I am quite happy to continue to play this game as a criminal as the game was designed regardless of your self-righteous scorn.

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Masao Kurata
Perkone
Caldari State
#637 - 2015-10-23 23:32:59 UTC
Edriahn wrote:
What you don't get is, while hyperdunking is a lot of fun, it's not essential part of the gameplay for most of the people that do it. So I'm really interested why you think anyone here is desperate for this mechanic to be kept?


A lot of us actually semi-regularly board ships in space while criminal for things other than hyperdunking. They're all ganker things so CCP doesn't care about the collateral damage of course.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#638 - 2015-10-23 23:52:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Sam Moneymaker wrote:
Sure. All the empty freighters and mining ships being killed were part a tactical plans to leave the enemy alliances without PVP resources!!!! How come I didn't figure it out yet...dumb me!
Nowhere did I say that. Some ganking is logistical warfare, some is "marketing" sponsored by ship producers and the like, and some is just plain piracy, there's many more reasons for it; in general I'd guess that they don't include real life hatred, bigotry or having a low IQ/low self esteem.

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Ofc is valid as long CCP made room for it in the game. Ofc shoud be valid as a way to make good Iskies from people stupid enough to haul without protection or driving afk fully loaded freighters. But as hisec means litterally high security as per game definitions than penalties should be higher. Elsewise CCP should make entire New Eden as null sec ...i have nothing against it. Who will adapt will keep playing. Who not, free to leave. It is not me who invented the categories of solar systems. But if you give them sort of players the idea that is a safe place to make rounds with their haulers, than penalties should be harsh. Like in real life. Go in US and kill a protected animal and you will face prison for 20 years. Go in Zimbabwe and kill it 'cause if they dont catch you fast you are well away and most probably nothing will happen. Hisec vs null sec....you can take same action both regions...with harsh/null punishments. So hard to get the difference?
The penalty in hisec is already higher than it is elsewhere, high security doesn't mean safe, it means safer than elsewhere if you follow some simple rules.

CCP staff have explicitly said that nowhere is safe, nor is it meant to feel that way; any player who understands the nature of the game knows that to be true.

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Yeah, seen it so many times in local. Gankers mocking the player who lost his ship...as you say "fun"...social activity...yeah see it all over the place...few "strong" "men" gathering and beating up a weak one and having "fun"......formally you are right here...is a social activity for their kind.

LOL. As you say. I am so limited and not understanding the "socializing" and the "fun" :))
Their kind? They are players, playing a game where what they do is explicitly allowed; they are not hatemongering bigots with low IQs.


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You tell me that I am rude and judging wrong...look at your own statement. What is in the hand of other players? How to fight against those brave gankers sitting logged until target is bumped/aggressed? Or after they decide to kill the actual -10 sec ganking char, cause another one is ready after less than a mo of training?
You're the one that's claiming that their play-style is driven by undesirable real life social traits and low intelligence, so yeah you're being rude and judgemental.

You're a subscriber to the oft touted "what you do in a game reflects who you are in real life" school of thought, aren't you?

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I explained before what is the own definition of CCP about hisec. YES it could happen. But in hisec penalties to be more harsh. Never said to block the guns in hisec! And if the penalties will be harsher lets see how much of such "social fun" you will be willing to have. Elsewise, kill any targets you want for profit. As long that is higher than penalties.
The penalties in hisec that are enforced by the game are already higher, want more? Then provide them, it is up to you to figure out how.

Finally; learn to firkin quote properly, your posts are painful to read.

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Zdrang
#639 - 2015-10-24 06:36:51 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein

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Nowhere did I say that. Some ganking is logistical warfare, some is "marketing" sponsored by ship producers and the like, and some is just plain piracy, there's many more reasons for it; in general I'd guess that they don't include real life hatred, bigotry or having a low IQ/low self esteem.


Read my first post carefully. Imagine that I am using TS and imagine that I heard some of them. Imagine that I see lots of such people hating and hurting other people in RL just because the laters are different....you do something you know it will hurt someone else just for fun for few reasons only..Kinda find explanations in Freud's writings or others.

They call themselves predators/ hunters and the others are prey, borrowing this words from the animal world. Nothing more wrong...take a predator....have you seen a lion sitting next to a gazelle while he is fed up? Lion kills only for food a weaker animal...never for fun! As I know so far only humans are hurting their kind for "fun" only.

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CCP staff have explicitly said that nowhere is safe, nor is it meant to feel that way; any player who understands the nature of the game knows that to be true.


CCP changed the rules. They should have changed the classification as well...not hisec, losec...etc...zone 1, 2, 3. Would have been more appropriate. Psychologically speaking high security means that one can sit on a gate with his empty hauler being assured that the preservation instinct (fear of harsh penalties) will keep away any ganker killing his ship for nothing. Like any example in the real world. If you know you system is safe, and anyone trying to hurt you will get punished hard will you take a bodyguard with you at school, to sit next to you at classes? Of course bad things are happening and lunatics are everywhere but you keep it going cause the level of security around you is minimizing this risk. Take now an 3rl world country. And compare the risk! Hisec vs lowsec/null sec. It is really that hard to understand the concept?

Only saying that if you use in game a concept like HIGH SECURITY that should be associated with HIGH PENALTIES against "criminal activities". Repeating myelf: never said to block the triggers in hisec.

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Their kind? They are players, playing a game where what they do is explicitly allowed; they are not hatemongering bigots with low IQs.You're a subscriber to the oft touted "what you do in a game reflects who you are in real life" school of thought, aren't you?


Find a psychologist and ask if I am wrong. In a game one is revealing even more his true nature because there will be no real penalty. The single way to counter this is to affect in the end his virtual wallet and access to certain areas of game as such as he will he feel like he is losing something...a sort of punishment.

Games for revealing your true inside have been developed for long and are used in psychological assessment of candidates for certain jobs. These are similar to such a sandbox as you call Eve...and the one who is tested is choosing his own actions in that game. And guess what...in such games they tend to reveal more of their inner self than they do in day-to-day life...in real life that individual has to held himself of doing things punished by the "security" system in place.

I am not an adept of that theory. Is the truth of human nature. No one will go over his own common sense boundaries just because is a game! If the RL sets these boundaries ...he/she will be forced to formally respect them while fearing of penalties...in a game he will go up to his own limits, if there are ones. On the contrary if one's own limits are the same or even more strict then his RL environment will never ever go beyond them even if it is only a game!

You're the one that's claiming that their play-style is driven by undesirable real life social traits and low intelligence, so yeah you're being rude and judgemental.

I am not claiming anything. I am observing only. I am not a psychologists but as long as their findings demonstrate so far that hatred is fueled by more or less observable frustration I tend to apply their theories. As long as their theories says that between IQ level and frustrations is a kind of connection and as I observe this all around me, yes I tend it to apply it as a general rule.

You tell me I hate gankers killing stuff for "fun". Dont hate. Despise them! As they despise those carebears and as they despise me for being so "rude". And yes this is coming from my frustration for the lack of balance in certain areas...in game or in RL.

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The penalties in hisec that are enforced by the game are already higher, want more? Then provide them, it is up to you to figure out how.


High penalties....can you please explain to me in what consists this high penalties? Ie for killing an empty Charon? Freighter player is losing 1.3 bil or insurance cost, dunno 300mil? Each ganker losing max. 10 mil? What else is the ganker losing? Enlighten me!

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Finally; learn to firkin quote properly, your posts are painful to read.


Hope I did it right now, let see after I press Post button.
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#640 - 2015-10-24 06:59:38 UTC
@Black Pedro

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Sure, why wouldn't I kill that empty freighter? I play the game as a criminal and fanatic claiming control of highsec. Blowing up people who do not comply with my claim to highsec is what this game is all about. Your mistake is assuming someone's unhappiness is the motivation for ganking. Tears can be amusing, but the primary goal is having fun in a video game blowing things up and enforcing your will on the sandbox. Eve is a PvP game after all, so the point to defeat the other players. Don't you take satisfaction in beating your opponent? Of course you do. Do you not engage someone because you are afraid you will hurt thier feelings? Of course not.


EVE is a pvp game???? As I remember EVE is a PVE / PVP game....not only a pvp one. And the answer is yes: I engage only people who are playing this game for PVP. I engage lazy people in hisec to feed my char with iskies from their loot and i am prepared to suffer the virtual penalties after i asses the costs-benefits of such action.

Of course for some of us the fun in eve is to blow up the pixels of other players...but for me that is fun as long as the others are willing to measure their skills against mine and my mates. No fun to "kill" and see huge explosions of ships of people who has no intention to measure any skill with me.


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You really don't understand what type of game you are playing do you? This is a single-universe, competitive sandbox game. Every resource you gather makes you relatively stronger than me. Every asset I destroy or take from you makes me stronger than you. I don't despise miners - I am competing with them. Blowing them up is fun, profitable and makes me and my organization relatively stronger in New Eden. I can sell them new mining barges for a profit. I can extort ISK from them for a profit. All perfectly good reasons to gank someone as intended by the developers of this game.


Of course you can. And you do it in hisec because nobody can retaliate against you. The so called kill rights and sec status are simply jokes...who the hell will lose endless hours to try to catch a stupid ganker when he finally logs with his under 10 mil destroyer???? Without permission to use bubbles in hisec. You do it because you lose nothing and because it cannot happen anything.

Competing with them. I bet that in Wild West you would be the one gathering a band to kill farmers' cows and than to sell other flock to them. Because you could do it while law was lacking in being enforced! Am I right? Try it now....;) ...null sec / vs hisec!

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Really? My hanger full of corpses and loot says otherwise. My market transaction history and ISK balance say otherwise. The hours of fun I have had socializing with my fellow gankers and blowing up industrial ships says otherwise. I don't mind if some hauler or miner fights back. On the rare occasions that happens that is interesting content too. But I am quite happy blowing up soft targets and taking thier stuff all day long. That's what criminals do.


Yeah...you killed unarmed targets without them ever retaliating. Exactly what I said! Exactly your true nature!


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No, in this case the only one calling people names and making judgements and assumptions of people they have never met is you. You are the only one putting people into categories and deciding them inferior to you and your views. I am quite happy to continue to play this game as a criminal as the game was designed regardless of your self-righteous scorn.


Read a bit of psychology. Then see I am not making judgments...applying demonstrated theories! And of course play this game according to your own inner self....this was what I said in the first place :))