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Fitting my New Confessor for PVE

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Leviathan NobleWolf
Doomheim
#1 - 2015-10-23 14:41:55 UTC
Hi all!
I need a bit of help.
I've been searching all over the interwebs for a good fit for the Post-Update-Confessor.
I think it's a really slick ship, but as far as preforming as a destroyer, I haven't found any builds that would out damage a coercer.
I actually found a build that uses a 10mn afterburner in the fit and tried it, only to discover that my cap could not sustain it. Said example can be found here: http://www.engadget.com/2015/01/04/eve-evolved-fitting-the-confessor-for-pve-and-pvp/

My goal is to PVE and fly level 3-4 missions in it. Any advice on how I should fit her?
Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#2 - 2015-10-23 14:52:36 UTC
lv3 missions *maybe* but it can't put out enough dps while having a good enough tank for running Lv4s with any kind of fun. You'd need to sacrifice dps and at that point watching paint dry would be more exciting than grinding through a dozen BS targets with less than 400 dps. I mean it's possible sure, but so is doing them in AFs. It's not a good idea, or fun, or exciting (after the first run) but it's possible

Basically, WHY do you want to do Lv4 missions in a confessor? Maybe we should start there.

A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.2.3

Leviathan NobleWolf
Doomheim
#3 - 2015-10-23 14:59:58 UTC
Anize Oramara wrote:
lv3 missions *maybe* but it can't put out enough dps while having a good enough tank for running Lv4s with any kind of fun. You'd need to sacrifice dps and at that point watching paint dry would be more exciting than grinding through a dozen BS targets with less than 400 dps. I mean it's possible sure, but so is doing them in AFs. It's not a good idea, or fun, or exciting (after the first run) but it's possible

Basically, WHY do you want to do Lv4 missions in a confessor? Maybe we should start there.

Why? No reason, just a small goal. If you dont believe level 4's are possible, then I'll take your word for it and use my battle cruiser instead. I just have this new ship that I have no idea how to fit xD.
Isaac Armer
The Soup Kitchen
#4 - 2015-10-23 15:46:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Isaac Armer
HS:
Small focused beam laser II x4
Salvager I x2

Mid:
1MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner
cap recharger II x2

Low:
damage control II
adaptive nano plating II
Heat Sink II x2
small armor repairer II

rigs:
small polycarbon engine housing
small energy locus coordinator
small processor overclocking unit

This is what I use for level 3 missions. I haven't had a problem with any level 3 so far. No chance it will handle level 4s though.
Lady Rift
His Majesty's Privateers
#5 - 2015-10-23 15:55:06 UTC
Leviathan NobleWolf wrote:
Anize Oramara wrote:
lv3 missions *maybe* but it can't put out enough dps while having a good enough tank for running Lv4s with any kind of fun. You'd need to sacrifice dps and at that point watching paint dry would be more exciting than grinding through a dozen BS targets with less than 400 dps. I mean it's possible sure, but so is doing them in AFs. It's not a good idea, or fun, or exciting (after the first run) but it's possible

Basically, WHY do you want to do Lv4 missions in a confessor? Maybe we should start there.

Why? No reason, just a small goal. If you dont believe level 4's are possible, then I'll take your word for it and use my battle cruiser instead. I just have this new ship that I have no idea how to fit xD.



its not impossible but to be able to tank them (even with speed sig) you will give up alot of dmg meaning that it will feel like you are using a pea shooter to kill 5-10 battleships. expect to take about 45-60 mins for a mission.

Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#6 - 2015-10-23 16:07:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Anize Oramara
Leviathan NobleWolf wrote:
Anize Oramara wrote:
lv3 missions *maybe* but it can't put out enough dps while having a good enough tank for running Lv4s with any kind of fun. You'd need to sacrifice dps and at that point watching paint dry would be more exciting than grinding through a dozen BS targets with less than 400 dps. I mean it's possible sure, but so is doing them in AFs. It's not a good idea, or fun, or exciting (after the first run) but it's possible

Basically, WHY do you want to do Lv4 missions in a confessor? Maybe we should start there.

Why? No reason, just a small goal. If you dont believe level 4's are possible, then I'll take your word for it and use my battle cruiser instead. I just have this new ship that I have no idea how to fit xD.

Yea I can dig that, tried the same thing myself hence why I know it's a bit boring and a lot of the missions it's just not possible though my fit was somewhat suboptimal (don't have T2 lasers).

Your sig is tiny so going fast and managing your transversal is important. With 2 Heat sinks you're looking at just over 400 dps with either beams or pulse short range ammo, less if you start looking at longer range ammo. Your resists and tank should be ok, mostly by virtue of speed tanking. Trimarks aren't going to increase buffer enough for the cost of speed. Polycarbons might work as theres not a huge hit to buffer either and will increase speed. I'd probably go with a capacitor booster as you don't want your AB turning off, ever. Tracking computer can be useful to increase range or tracking depending on the situation or weapons used. I'd use a damage control to give you a bit of extra breathing room if you need to gtfo.

Then there's the whole 3 modes thing that I'd need to actually test in game to see what effect they'd have.

It's an interesting concept but yea, you're looking at around 400 dps and that's the problem with normal Lv4 PvE; loads of EHP to burn through. The DPS(and application thereof) kinda dictates how fast you're doing anything. Even a Mach with over 1k dps can feel slow sometimes.

A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.2.3

Isaac Armer
The Soup Kitchen
#7 - 2015-10-23 16:28:36 UTC
Anize Oramara wrote:
Yea I can dig that, tried the same thing myself hence why I know it's a bit boring and a lot of the missions it's just not possible though my fit was somewhat suboptimal (don't have T2 lasers).

Your sig is tiny so going fast and managing your transversal is important. With 2 Heat sinks you're looking at just over 400 dps with either beams or pulse short range ammo, less if you start looking at longer range ammo. Your resists and tank should be ok, mostly by virtue of speed tanking. Trimarks aren't going to increase buffer enough for the cost of speed. Polycarbons might work as theres not a huge hit to buffer either and will increase speed. I'd probably go with a capacitor booster as you don't want your AB turning off, ever. Tracking computer can be useful to increase range or tracking depending on the situation or weapons used. I'd use a damage control to give you a bit of extra breathing room if you need to gtfo.

Then there's the whole 3 modes thing that I'd need to actually test in game to see what effect they'd have.

It's an interesting concept but yea, you're looking at around 400 dps and that's the problem with normal Lv4 PvE; loads of EHP to burn through. The DPS(and application thereof) kinda dictates how fast you're doing anything. Even a Mach with over 1k dps can feel slow sometimes.


It takes me so long to do a level 4 in my confessor (I focused my training, so I can't fly battleships/battlecruisers yet) that it's more profitable to blitz level 3s.
Matt Benneth
Strictly Moral Support
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
#8 - 2015-10-23 17:44:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Matt Benneth
This is fit I use for most of hisec combat exploration (anomalies, DEDs bellow 5/10, all unrated sites and most of their escalations).

[Confessor, Hisec combat explo]
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Core C-Type Rat specific hardener
Core C-Type Rat specific hardener
Coreli A-Type Small Armor Repairer

Coreli A-Type 1MN Afterburner
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

Small Focused Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Small Focused Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Small Focused Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Small Focused Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Sisters Core Probe Launcher, Sisters Core Scanner Probe
[empty high slot]

Small Capacitor Control Circuit II
Small Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II
Small Auxiliary Nano Pump II



It requires good fitting and cap skills to work. If you cant make it cap stable you can use another CCC instead of Hyperspatial optimizer or use Domination hardeners (they consume 3x less cap than C-type ones).

Hyperspatial optimizer makes it warp 5.6 AU/s which helps a lot when you are running those multi-part escalations.

Its a bit expensive (about 200mil), but you can donwngrade to some T2 mods if you are spacepoor without loosing too much effectivness.

At all skills at V it does 250 dps at 49 km optimal with Aurora and 433 dps with Multifrequency at 14 km optimal. Moves 646 m/s in non prop mode and 1077m/s in prop mode.

Damage lock kinda sucks for Angels but its ok for all other factions.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#9 - 2015-10-23 20:42:38 UTC
Matt Benneth wrote:
This is fit I use for most of hisec combat exploration (anomalies, DEDs bellow 5/10, all unrated sites and most of their escalations).

[Confessor, Hisec combat explo]
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Core C-Type Rat specific hardener
Core C-Type Rat specific hardener
Coreli A-Type Small Armor Repairer

Coreli A-Type 1MN Afterburner
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

Small Focused Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Small Focused Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Small Focused Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Small Focused Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Sisters Core Probe Launcher, Sisters Core Scanner Probe
[empty high slot]

Small Capacitor Control Circuit II
Small Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II
Small Auxiliary Nano Pump II



It requires good fitting and cap skills to work. If you cant make it cap stable you can use another CCC instead of Hyperspatial optimizer or use Domination hardeners (they consume 3x less cap than C-type ones).

Hyperspatial optimizer makes it warp 5.6 AU/s which helps a lot when you are running those multi-part escalations.

Its a bit expensive (about 200mil), but you can donwngrade to some T2 mods if you are spacepoor without loosing too much effectivness.

At all skills at V it does 250 dps at 49 km optimal with Aurora and 433 dps with Multifrequency at 14 km optimal. Moves 646 m/s in non prop mode and 1077m/s in prop mode.

Damage lock kinda sucks for Angels but its ok for all other factions.


That's along the lines I'd suggest. You're on the tanky side; I'm more inclined towards gank:

[Confessor, sisters arc beams]
Coreli A-Type Small Armor Repairer
Heat Sink II
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Corpii C-Type Adaptive Nano Plating

5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
Cap Recharger II
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script

Small Focused Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Small Focused Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Small Focused Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Small Focused Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher, Core Scanner Probe I
[empty high slot]

Small Capacitor Control Circuit II
Small Capacitor Control Circuit II
Small Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II

Permaruns the MWD or the SAR but not both. I've used this mainly for high sec exploration through 4/10s without problems. It paid for itself several times over.
Leviathan NobleWolf
Doomheim
#10 - 2015-10-23 22:13:24 UTC
Zhilia Mann wrote:
Matt Benneth wrote:
This is fit I use for most of hisec combat exploration (anomalies, DEDs bellow 5/10, all unrated sites and most of their escalations).

[Confessor, Hisec combat explo]
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Core C-Type Rat specific hardener
Core C-Type Rat specific hardener
Coreli A-Type Small Armor Repairer

Coreli A-Type 1MN Afterburner
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

Small Focused Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Small Focused Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Small Focused Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Small Focused Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Sisters Core Probe Launcher, Sisters Core Scanner Probe
[empty high slot]

Small Capacitor Control Circuit II
Small Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II
Small Auxiliary Nano Pump II



It requires good fitting and cap skills to work. If you cant make it cap stable you can use another CCC instead of Hyperspatial optimizer or use Domination hardeners (they consume 3x less cap than C-type ones).

Hyperspatial optimizer makes it warp 5.6 AU/s which helps a lot when you are running those multi-part escalations.

Its a bit expensive (about 200mil), but you can donwngrade to some T2 mods if you are spacepoor without loosing too much effectivness.

At all skills at V it does 250 dps at 49 km optimal with Aurora and 433 dps with Multifrequency at 14 km optimal. Moves 646 m/s in non prop mode and 1077m/s in prop mode.

Damage lock kinda sucks for Angels but its ok for all other factions.


That's along the lines I'd suggest. You're on the tanky side; I'm more inclined towards gank:

[Confessor, sisters arc beams]
Coreli A-Type Small Armor Repairer
Heat Sink II
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Corpii C-Type Adaptive Nano Plating

5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
Cap Recharger II
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script

Small Focused Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Small Focused Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Small Focused Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Small Focused Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher, Core Scanner Probe I
[empty high slot]

Small Capacitor Control Circuit II
Small Capacitor Control Circuit II
Small Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II

Permaruns the MWD or the SAR but not both. I've used this mainly for high sec exploration through 4/10s without problems. It paid for itself several times over.

Thank you everyone! I am going to bookmark this thread so I can use it for future reference! :D

Quick question: Is the reason why your getting 433 dps is because of skills being at V? I cant seem to get over 338 dps.
W0lf Crendraven
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2015-10-23 22:16:01 UTC
If you drop the cap recharges, the cap rigs and get either a 2% implants or a acr you are 100% capstable (or 5min if you with the real 0 cost and not faction charges), leaves you a rig (or two with implant) and more cap.
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#12 - 2015-10-24 15:01:30 UTC
Leviathan NobleWolf wrote:
Anize Oramara wrote:
lv3 missions *maybe* but it can't put out enough dps while having a good enough tank for running Lv4s with any kind of fun. You'd need to sacrifice dps and at that point watching paint dry would be more exciting than grinding through a dozen BS targets with less than 400 dps. I mean it's possible sure, but so is doing them in AFs. It's not a good idea, or fun, or exciting (after the first run) but it's possible

Basically, WHY do you want to do Lv4 missions in a confessor? Maybe we should start there.

Why? No reason, just a small goal. If you dont believe level 4's are possible, then I'll take your word for it and use my battle cruiser instead. I just have this new ship that I have no idea how to fit xD.

Read to this point and scanned the rest.

Yes you can run level 4's in a dessie or an AF however they can be very tricky to complete. You need to be extremely careful and knowledgeable of the trigger ships and proximity triggers for the mission you are running or things will go very badly and very quickly. Basically it comes down to one simple mistake and you warp out of an incomplete mission in your pod. Time required to complete is the other factor because of low tank and low DPS.

If you watch all of these and you are not worried about the potential for an hour or more to complete a single mission then go for it all you stand to loose is a ship.
Leviathan NobleWolf
Doomheim
#13 - 2015-11-01 22:50:03 UTC
Zhilia Mann wrote:
Matt Benneth wrote:
This is fit I use for most of hisec combat exploration (anomalies, DEDs bellow 5/10, all unrated sites and most of their escalations).

[Confessor, Hisec combat explo]
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Core C-Type Rat specific hardener
Core C-Type Rat specific hardener
Coreli A-Type Small Armor Repairer

Coreli A-Type 1MN Afterburner
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

Small Focused Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Small Focused Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Small Focused Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Small Focused Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Sisters Core Probe Launcher, Sisters Core Scanner Probe
[empty high slot]

Small Capacitor Control Circuit II
Small Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II
Small Auxiliary Nano Pump II



It requires good fitting and cap skills to work. If you cant make it cap stable you can use another CCC instead of Hyperspatial optimizer or use Domination hardeners (they consume 3x less cap than C-type ones).

Hyperspatial optimizer makes it warp 5.6 AU/s which helps a lot when you are running those multi-part escalations.

Its a bit expensive (about 200mil), but you can donwngrade to some T2 mods if you are spacepoor without loosing too much effectivness.

At all skills at V it does 250 dps at 49 km optimal with Aurora and 433 dps with Multifrequency at 14 km optimal. Moves 646 m/s in non prop mode and 1077m/s in prop mode.

Damage lock kinda sucks for Angels but its ok for all other factions.


That's along the lines I'd suggest. You're on the tanky side; I'm more inclined towards gank:

[Confessor, sisters arc beams]
Coreli A-Type Small Armor Repairer
Heat Sink II
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Corpii C-Type Adaptive Nano Plating

5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
Cap Recharger II
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script

Small Focused Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Small Focused Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Small Focused Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Small Focused Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher, Core Scanner Probe I
[empty high slot]

Small Capacitor Control Circuit II
Small Capacitor Control Circuit II
Small Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II

Permaruns the MWD or the SAR but not both. I've used this mainly for high sec exploration through 4/10s without problems. It paid for itself several times over.


I'm pretty gank inclined, however my skills seem to be too low to use certain things together. Such as how I cant use a MWD or Afterburner yet with these componets because my skill is only level 3 xD. Thought I'd share what I came up with :D

This is my current set up:
[Confessor, Gank]
Corpii C-Type Adaptive Nano Plating
Small Armor Repairer II
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Heat Sink II

Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

Small Focused Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Small Focused Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Core Probe Launcher I
Auto Targeting System I
Small Focused Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Small Focused Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S

Small Capacitor Control Circuit II
Small Capacitor Control Circuit II
Small Capacitor Control Circuit I


I'm still only doing 356 DPS but my Range is 28km in Sniper mode. :D
Is there anyway to continue to raise DPS using this set up?