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Expiry date on PLEX 6 month after first offered for sale in game.
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2015-10-22 02:03:54 UTC
Perceived Problem:

Excess hoarding of PLEX and market manipulation

Recommended Solution:

PLEX can be stored indefinitely if never offered for sale.
Once offered for sale in game a 6 month expiry timer starts to count down.

Advantages

6 months gives scope for PLEX speculation and trading whilst preventing long term stockpiling of PLEX acquired from the market
Madd Adda
#2 - 2015-10-22 03:25:14 UTC
Plex is basically gold irl, you can't have an expiration date on this. people will just troll and scam with last minute sells of plex that are set to expire in a day or less.

Carebear extraordinaire
Zan Shiro
Doomheim
#3 - 2015-10-22 03:32:43 UTC
or just pay to play the game and avoid the whole plex matter entirely.
Iain Cariaba
#4 - 2015-10-22 03:41:48 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
Perceived Problem:

Excess hoarding of PLEX and market manipulation

Recommended Solution:

PLEX can be stored indefinitely if never offered for sale.
Once offered for sale in game a 6 month expiry timer starts to count down.

Advantages

6 months gives scope for PLEX speculation and trading whilst preventing long term stockpiling of PLEX acquired from the market

So if I buy a PLEX and have some RL situations come up where I'm unable to play the game for 6+ months, which has happened to me before, then I lose out on the money I spent for the PLEX because you feel entitled to play the game for free?

How about no.
Helia Tranquilis
Confused Bunnies Inc
#5 - 2015-10-22 06:01:06 UTC
There's not even reason to keep plex in your inventory. Reverse redeem and the hoarder's pile stays intact. It's just something we have to live with.
Anthar Thebess
#6 - 2015-10-22 06:33:09 UTC
Never going to happen.

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Lan Wang
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2015-10-22 08:08:13 UTC
no thanks, just a terrible idea that benefits only f2p players

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erg cz
Federal Jegerouns
#8 - 2015-10-22 09:05:29 UTC
Better idea - after 6 months PLEX can not be sold or converted to aurum. It can only be used to get more game time for account, holding it.

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Ix Method
Doomheim
#9 - 2015-10-22 10:15:41 UTC
Heh, this would be hilarious.

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Lan Wang
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2015-10-22 10:22:54 UTC
erg cz wrote:
Even worse idea - after 6 months PLEX can not be sold or converted to aurum. It can only be used to get more game time for account, holding it.


Fixed that for ya bud

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Lan Wang
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2015-10-22 10:24:13 UTC
Ix Method wrote:
Heh, this would be hilarious.


what would be hilarious? the amount of people quiting the game so f2p players can play or the amount of rmt that would happen because of it?

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#12 - 2015-10-22 10:34:40 UTC
Wouldn't this mean that rather than every PLEX being the same, and thus a stack of them being one database entry and all that, every single plex would actually be different and require different entries to keep track of the timer?

I don't think that's a good idea really.
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2015-10-22 11:15:56 UTC
This would drive the price for PLEX even higher.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2015-10-22 12:59:26 UTC
You're putting the cart before the horse.

With a perceived problem the first step is to prove it is ACTUALLY a problem.

I get it every other day: "the database feels slow"
>logs or GTFO.
Boom Laison
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2015-10-22 13:32:24 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
Ix Method wrote:
Heh, this would be hilarious.


what would be hilarious? the amount of people quiting the game so f2p players can play or the amount of rmt that would happen because of it?


Couple of speculators rage quited would be nice, yes. Rmt cutted off due to time limit is also nice, yes. You stop being so *** would be also nice.

PLEX speculations together with AUR (ship skins, anyone? ) pressure made PLEX prices through the roof. So
1. CCP getting less real money (2xPLEXes for the 1,2 B ship last year vs 1xPLEX for the very same ship now)
2. PLEX dependant people mass leaving game, so less content for those, who stay.

This:
Quote:

after 6 months PLEX can not be sold or converted to aurum. It can only be used to get more game time for account, holding it.

is a solution. Just put 3 months instead of 6.
Ix Method
Doomheim
#16 - 2015-10-22 13:32:38 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
Ix Method wrote:
Heh, this would be hilarious.


what would be hilarious? the amount of people quiting the game so f2p players can play or the amount of rmt that would happen because of it?

Lots of po-faced people taking themselves so seriously their head explodes.

I'll add you to the watchlist, just incase.

Travelling at the speed of love.
Lan Wang
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2015-10-22 14:03:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Lan Wang
Boom Laison wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
Ix Method wrote:
Heh, this would be hilarious.


what would be hilarious? the amount of people quiting the game so f2p players can play or the amount of rmt that would happen because of it?


Couple of speculators rage quited would be nice, yes. Rmt cutted off due to time limit is also nice, yes. You stop being so *** would be also nice.

PLEX speculations together with AUR (ship skins, anyone? ) pressure made PLEX prices through the roof. So
1. CCP getting less real money (2xPLEXes for the 1,2 B ship last year vs 1xPLEX for the very same ship now)
2. PLEX dependant people mass leaving game, so less content for those, who stay.

This:
Quote:

after 6 months PLEX can not be sold or converted to aurum. It can only be used to get more game time for account, holding it.

is a solution. Just put 3 months instead of 6.


what exactly do you think this idea would achieve? do you understand how supply and demand works, the market would flood with stockpiles of plex, drive the price down to the magic carebear freeloader price of 300mil for a while then once that stockpile is gone the price would soar or people will just buy up everything on the market and add to there own accounts.

Its not a solution because there is no problem with the current system, the problem is that isk is too easy to make. nerf highsec incursions and missions income, the price of plex is high because people still pay for it, if nobody paid for it it wouldnt stay high. simple really

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Zimmer Jones
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2015-10-22 14:55:29 UTC
Ccp have an economist on payroll and have already said they balance the plex market with sales on plex.
Problem is not a problem if ccp sees it as such, and this seems to be the case.

And come on, every plex becomes an individual unstackable item? That's one market order per plex, and not a small amount of calculation per suggested time interval ( days, but more likely hours for the final day).

The high price means that f2p players have to earn their time by providing server population with the hope that most of it is in space. I know people that will only work enough to plex, and then log until they have to do it next month. 300 mil can be made mining in very little time even with casual play.

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Lan Wang
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2015-10-22 15:50:14 UTC
we should also make ice melt, minerals deteriorate, loyalty points decline as time goes on too, hell lets make npc tax increase the longer you stay in an npc corp, or is that too harsh? Pirate

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#20 - 2015-10-22 15:53:47 UTC
Iain Cariaba wrote:
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
Perceived Problem:

Excess hoarding of PLEX and market manipulation

Recommended Solution:

PLEX can be stored indefinitely if never offered for sale.
Once offered for sale in game a 6 month expiry timer starts to count down.

Advantages

6 months gives scope for PLEX speculation and trading whilst preventing long term stockpiling of PLEX acquired from the market

So if I buy a PLEX and have some RL situations come up where I'm unable to play the game for 6+ months, which has happened to me before, then I lose out on the money I spent for the PLEX because you feel entitled to play the game for free?

How about no.


Can't you transfer your PLEX into game time as soon as you buy it? It's not like it would be an "investement" item if it has an expiration date...
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