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Wallace Trucker
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2015-10-20 12:12:05 UTC
• Scamming and unethical behavior some would consider griefing is not only allowed, it is encouraged and rewarded by the game mechanics.
• Harrasment or real-life threats are not ok, and you can get a shiny ban for them. Learn the difference


I don't know where you are from or who your parents were. But where I come from unethical behavior is no different than harassment or threats. They pretty much all fall under the morals blanket. Morals were you parents responsibility to teach you at a young age. If you find scamming and unethical behavior ok, then they failed. And now we have identified the issue with this game.

Don't let a game encourage you to toss away toss those valuable lessons you learned from your parents as a child. Don't let a game blur the lines between right and wrong. Remember there are real people at the other end of those pixels, treat them as you would any other human being.

If you play be these statements, then you live by them.
Syeed Ameer Ali
Dirtbag Space Warriors Coming for yor Loots
#2 - 2015-10-20 12:33:29 UTC
Ok, here's the implied part of that first statement that seems to have gone right over your head.

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In-game-context scamming and unethical behavior...is encouraged...


If somebody is scamming you for play-money or imaginary assets in a video game, that is only unethical in the sense that they are roleplaying an unethical behavior in a role playing game. It's no different than, say, carjacking someone in a Grand Theft Auto game or killing their pawns in chess. Of course carjacking and murder are unethical in the real world, as is scamming, but in a game in which those are an accepted part of gameplay they are perfectly fine.

If you want to roleplay as a character that hates in-game scamming then feel free to do so. If you are actually serious, though, then I suggest you get down off your high horse, take a few steps back from your computer and have a look around, then ask yourself honestly if imaginary game assets and real assets are actually morally equivalent. If the answer is yes, then I recommend that you give up video games for a few years.

everevolutionaryfront.blogspot.com
Lan Wang
African Atomic.
OnlyFleets.
#3 - 2015-10-20 12:41:10 UTC
did you try and buy a plex in jita local?

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Bastion Arzi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2015-10-20 12:59:13 UTC
Pls dont
Wallace Trucker
State War Academy
Caldari State
#5 - 2015-10-20 13:00:29 UTC
ah yes, the old reliable justification for your actions. "it's just a game." Why not makes as much sense as the twinky defense.
Lan Wang
African Atomic.
OnlyFleets.
#6 - 2015-10-20 13:04:21 UTC
can we get a story?

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Syeed Ameer Ali
Dirtbag Space Warriors Coming for yor Loots
#7 - 2015-10-20 13:15:26 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
can we get a story?


He's been flogging this same horse for a year, if you look at his profile. Which means that not only does he have no questions to ask, but he's not a new player either.

So... OP please tell us where the bad spacemen touched you quickly before this appallingly inappropriate thread gets locked.

everevolutionaryfront.blogspot.com
Wallace Trucker
State War Academy
Caldari State
#8 - 2015-10-20 13:25:28 UTC
No touching recently. I just don't buy the "it's just a game" copout. Or CCP's contention that harassment and threats are any different than scamming or dishonesty. By even making this comparison they are admitting that it is more than a game.
Lan Wang
African Atomic.
OnlyFleets.
#9 - 2015-10-20 13:36:58 UTC
eve is real

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Bloemkoolsaus
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#10 - 2015-10-20 13:50:53 UTC
Syeed Ameer Ali wrote:
If you are actually serious, though, then I suggest you get down off your high horse, take a few steps back from your computer and have a look around, then ask yourself honestly if imaginary game assets and real assets are actually morally equivalent. If the answer is yes, then I recommend that you give up video games for a few years.


OP should really read this part again.
I know a couple of scammers and in reality, they are some of the nicest people i know Big smile
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#11 - 2015-10-20 13:52:17 UTC
Reality and fantasy, know the difference.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Lan Wang
African Atomic.
OnlyFleets.
#12 - 2015-10-20 13:53:11 UTC
Bloemkoolsaus wrote:
Syeed Ameer Ali wrote:
If you are actually serious, though, then I suggest you get down off your high horse, take a few steps back from your computer and have a look around, then ask yourself honestly if imaginary game assets and real assets are actually morally equivalent. If the answer is yes, then I recommend that you give up video games for a few years.


OP should really read this part again.
I know a couple of scammers and in reality, they are some of the nicest people i know Big smile


this is generally the attitude scammers have, how else do they gain trust Pirate

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Maekchu
Doomheim
#13 - 2015-10-20 14:01:22 UTC
Reported for ranting.

In-game scamming is perfectly viable, since it is a part of the game and nothing of worth is at stake. At the end of the day, you will only lose some pixels and some of your time.

If you cannot distinguish between digital items and real life items, then you should, as already pointed out by someone else, take a break from gaming for a while so that you don't take it so seriously.
Memphis Baas
#14 - 2015-10-20 14:02:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Memphis Baas
So CCP has only made the two statements that you've quoted, and they do not include any sort of justification or analysis (psychological, ethical, or moral) on what is allowed and what is not. It's simply two statements: this is what you can do, and this is what you cannot do.

All of the justifications that you oppose, they come from the player base. This is who we are; liars, cheaters, assholes. We don't give a **** what you think or what you do with your respect, and we don't give a **** about your proposed code of conduct.

On the other hand, you ARE insulting our real world relatives (specifically, parents) in your post, and I believe that's against the terms of service.
Cara Forelli
State War Academy
Caldari State
#15 - 2015-10-20 16:14:03 UTC
Wallace Trucker wrote:
Don't let a game blur the lines between right and wrong.

I was playing halo last night...

I'm a monster. Shocked

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Bobb Bobbington
Rattini Tribe
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#16 - 2015-10-20 16:21:15 UTC
Oh noes, I played GTA V, now I'm going to turn into a crazed murderer and steal cars and **** because I did it in a videogame.

This is a signature.

It has a 25m signature.

No it's not a cosmic signature.

Probably.

Btw my corp's recruiting.
Cidanel Afuran
Grant Village
#17 - 2015-10-20 16:43:54 UTC
Wallace Trucker wrote:
• Scamming and unethical behavior some would consider griefing is not only allowed, it is encouraged and rewarded by the game mechanics.
• Harrasment or real-life threats are not ok, and you can get a shiny ban for them. Learn the difference


I don't know where you are from or who your parents were. But where I come from unethical behavior is no different than harassment or threats. They pretty much all fall under the morals blanket. Morals were you parents responsibility to teach you at a young age. If you find scamming and unethical behavior ok, then they failed. And now we have identified the issue with this game.

Don't let a game encourage you to toss away toss those valuable lessons you learned from your parents as a child. Don't let a game blur the lines between right and wrong. Remember there are real people at the other end of those pixels, treat them as you would any other human being.

If you play be these statements, then you live by them.


Have you ever killed a rat in game? Has your ship ever exploded? Those ships have NPC crew members onboard that you just murdered! How can you as a moral and ethical person support murdering innocent people like that?

You should be ashamed of yourself.
ISD Supogo
ISD BH
ISD Alliance
#18 - 2015-10-20 17:07:49 UTC
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