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Drone Love needed

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Renfus
Bloodhorn
Patchwork Freelancers
#1 - 2015-10-18 08:30:31 UTC
Ok.. I could totally be missing something..
And if I am I apologize..
While fitting up a Vexor Navy Issue.
I realized there's no way to tell what your done control range is.
Or the targeting range of your sentry drones..
I asked around and everyone said I'd have to use EFT...
So.. that sucks...What?
Is there any way the ccp gods could add that to the fitting panel ???
So when we're fitting the drone mods we know what their control and targeting ranges are?
I know it shows drone dps in the fitting window...but that's it...
Maybe add a new section just for drone info... ?


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Nyalnara
Marauder Initiative
#2 - 2015-10-18 12:34:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Nyalnara
Supported.

Information is available IG. Board ship, show info on boarded ship, and you'll see current stats, with skill and fitting. Search for the drones line, and there you go. Available IG, but annoying to search for, indeed. It should be shown directly in the fitting window.

French half-noob.

Non, je ne suis pas gentil.

FireFrenzy
Cynosural Samurai
#3 - 2015-10-18 12:43:20 UTC
Its on the list of things people want for the new "ghost" fitting screen...

So supported and ccp is working on it (i guess)
Leto Aramaus
Frog Team Four
Of Essence
#4 - 2015-10-18 13:05:47 UTC
Someone recently posted a thread asking for the drone control range to be shown in the title bar of the drone window.

I'd like to see it there and in the fitting windows somewhere.
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2015-10-18 13:51:32 UTC
Once upon a time you had to do simple math and have some basic knowledge of you own character to know your control range. Guess these things are too much now.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.

Supreme Authority
Not PurpIe Shoot It
ISK Positive
#6 - 2015-10-18 14:20:39 UTC
+1

Not only the control range. The optimal/falloff should also ideally be shown. Also bandwidth usage because iirc it isn't shown on there anywhere, the only thing fitting window shows is the drone bay usage and max.
Supreme Authority
Not PurpIe Shoot It
ISK Positive
#7 - 2015-10-18 14:22:50 UTC
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
Once upon a time you had to do simple math and have some basic knowledge of you own character to know your control range. Guess these things are too much now.

So they should go out of their way to build more pointless time sinks and obfuscation into the game? Quality of Life is a thing in gaming and it doesn't necessarily make it any "easier" to play, as that seems to be the root of your concern.
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#8 - 2015-10-18 14:35:34 UTC
Before I start on this I support the requested changes as they are long overdue.

That said.
As the others have stated control range is available just burried.
Targeting range for your drones is exactly the same as targeting range for your ship, since it is the ship that locks targets not the drones. Based on my experiences even when set to aggressive mode they will not attack anything that is outside your ships targeting range, if anyone has noticed a different behavior please explain what you have experienced.

Nyalnara
Marauder Initiative
#9 - 2015-10-18 15:47:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Nyalnara
Donnachadh wrote:
Targeting range for your drones is exactly the same as targeting range for your ship, since it is the ship that locks targets not the drones.


Errrrrr. No. Drones actually lock people they are ordered to attack (just ask a friend to set drones on you if you don't believe me, you'll see drones redboxing you). They also have a scan resolution, which is used to calculate lock-time (fighter-bombers said hi). And drones control range is not the ship lock range. Someone need to be closer than [insert drone control range here] for you to be able to order your drones to attack him. Also, it is not the range in which it will follow someone. (As far as i know, once a drone is set to attack, there is no max range in which they would not be able to go from your ship.)

French half-noob.

Non, je ne suis pas gentil.

Joe Risalo
State War Academy
Caldari State
#10 - 2015-10-18 16:15:11 UTC
Leto Aramaus wrote:
Someone recently posted a thread asking for the drone control range to be shown in the title bar of the drone window.

I'd like to see it there and in the fitting windows somewhere.


That was me, and the thread disappeared into the nether because CCP has a million sticky threads taking up the first page, and no one looks beyond that.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=450594&find=unread
Wild Bill Walker
Doomheim
#11 - 2015-10-18 16:20:45 UTC
why not an in station launch simulator to view performance and load out under in-space conditions
Iain Cariaba
#12 - 2015-10-18 17:22:09 UTC
Joe Risalo wrote:
Leto Aramaus wrote:
Someone recently posted a thread asking for the drone control range to be shown in the title bar of the drone window.

I'd like to see it there and in the fitting windows somewhere.


That was me, and the thread disappeared into the nether because CCP has a million sticky threads taking up the first page, and no one looks beyond that.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=450594&find=unread

And I still say no to this, for all the same reasons I posted in Joe's thread.
Renfus
Bloodhorn
Patchwork Freelancers
#13 - 2015-10-18 21:30:38 UTC
Nyalnara wrote:
Supported.

Information is available IG. Board ship, show info on boarded ship, and you'll see current stats, with skill and fitting. Search for the drones line, and there you go. Available IG, but annoying to search for, indeed. It should be shown directly in the fitting window.


All ship stats show is drone bay capacity and drone bandwidth..

The drone info shows optimal range.
Nothing shows your drone control range...

the only way I could figure that out is to target something i know is outside of my control range and the error message you get tells you what your control range is...

Drone Control Range should be in the Ship Fitting Window..

Drone Targeting : Maximum & Optimal ranges should be in Drone information.
BUT right now they only have the optimal range listed in drone info..
i'd like to know their maximum range... IE: Sentry Drones

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Joe Risalo
State War Academy
Caldari State
#14 - 2015-10-18 22:53:02 UTC
Renfus wrote:
Nyalnara wrote:
Supported.

Information is available IG. Board ship, show info on boarded ship, and you'll see current stats, with skill and fitting. Search for the drones line, and there you go. Available IG, but annoying to search for, indeed. It should be shown directly in the fitting window.


All ship stats show is drone bay capacity and drone bandwidth..

The drone info shows optimal range.
Nothing shows your drone control range...

the only way I could figure that out is to target something i know is outside of my control range and the error message you get tells you what your control range is...

Drone Control Range should be in the Ship Fitting Window..

Drone Targeting : Maximum & Optimal ranges should be in Drone information.
BUT right now they only have the optimal range listed in drone info..
i'd like to know their maximum range... IE: Sentry Drones


After the modules have been fitted to your ship, you can click show info on your ship, and it will show the control range in there somewhere.

However, doesn't mean it can't be on the fitting window, or title bar of drone control window.
Renfus
Bloodhorn
Patchwork Freelancers
#15 - 2015-10-18 23:19:30 UTC
Joe Risalo wrote:
Renfus wrote:
Nyalnara wrote:
Supported.

Information is available IG. Board ship, show info on boarded ship, and you'll see current stats, with skill and fitting. Search for the drones line, and there you go. Available IG, but annoying to search for, indeed. It should be shown directly in the fitting window.


All ship stats show is drone bay capacity and drone bandwidth..

The drone info shows optimal range.
Nothing shows your drone control range...

the only way I could figure that out is to target something i know is outside of my control range and the error message you get tells you what your control range is...

Drone Control Range should be in the Ship Fitting Window..

Drone Targeting : Maximum & Optimal ranges should be in Drone information.
BUT right now they only have the optimal range listed in drone info..
i'd like to know their maximum range... IE: Sentry Drones


After the modules have been fitted to your ship, you can click show info on your ship, and it will show the control range in there somewhere.

However, doesn't mean it can't be on the fitting window, or title bar of drone control window.


Man I looked everywhere... so info/ attributes, drone attributes, the fittings window and I can not find done control range anywhere..
The only way I could figure it out is by trying to target something with my drones I knew that was out of range and then the error message will tell me..

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Supreme Authority
Not PurpIe Shoot It
ISK Positive
#16 - 2015-10-19 00:15:01 UTC
Iain Cariaba wrote:
Joe Risalo wrote:
Leto Aramaus wrote:
Someone recently posted a thread asking for the drone control range to be shown in the title bar of the drone window.

I'd like to see it there and in the fitting windows somewhere.


That was me, and the thread disappeared into the nether because CCP has a million sticky threads taking up the first page, and no one looks beyond that.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=450594&find=unread

And I still say no to this, for all the same reasons I posted in Joe's thread.

So you want EVE to be less informative and intentionally designed to be as unwieldy and difficult to use as possible. Probably because you feel it gives you, as a bittervet, an edge over any newcomers to the game. Pretty crappy reason but kudos on your honesty.
Atomeon
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2015-10-19 00:58:00 UTC
The basic drone control range is 20km,
The drone avionics is 5km per lvl total 25km,
The Advanced drone avionics is 3km per lvl, total 15km

So we have total 60km with perfect skills. + 20 km for every Drone link augmentor I or +24km for every Tech 2 Aug.

Iain Cariaba
#18 - 2015-10-19 01:01:47 UTC
Supreme Authority wrote:
Iain Cariaba wrote:
Joe Risalo wrote:
Leto Aramaus wrote:
Someone recently posted a thread asking for the drone control range to be shown in the title bar of the drone window.

I'd like to see it there and in the fitting windows somewhere.


That was me, and the thread disappeared into the nether because CCP has a million sticky threads taking up the first page, and no one looks beyond that.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=450594&find=unread

And I still say no to this, for all the same reasons I posted in Joe's thread.

So you want EVE to be less informative and intentionally designed to be as unwieldy and difficult to use as possible. Probably because you feel it gives you, as a bittervet, an edge over any newcomers to the game. Pretty crappy reason but kudos on your honesty.

Sure, you go ahead and believe that.

Then again, you might not understand how some people would rather keep EvE a game that requires a modicum of intelligence to play.
Joe Risalo
State War Academy
Caldari State
#19 - 2015-10-19 01:05:42 UTC
Iain Cariaba wrote:
Supreme Authority wrote:
Iain Cariaba wrote:
Joe Risalo wrote:
Leto Aramaus wrote:
Someone recently posted a thread asking for the drone control range to be shown in the title bar of the drone window.

I'd like to see it there and in the fitting windows somewhere.


That was me, and the thread disappeared into the nether because CCP has a million sticky threads taking up the first page, and no one looks beyond that.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=450594&find=unread

And I still say no to this, for all the same reasons I posted in Joe's thread.

So you want EVE to be less informative and intentionally designed to be as unwieldy and difficult to use as possible. Probably because you feel it gives you, as a bittervet, an edge over any newcomers to the game. Pretty crappy reason but kudos on your honesty.

Sure, you go ahead and believe that.

Then again, you might not understand how some people would rather keep EvE a game that requires a modicum of intelligence to play.


Having a small amount of information provided to you isn't going to make you an elite pilot, and it's not going to dumb down Eve to allow more WoW players.
It's a couple of numbers. That is all.
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#20 - 2015-10-19 02:19:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Donnachadh
Nyalnara wrote:
Donnachadh wrote:
Targeting range for your drones is exactly the same as targeting range for your ship, since it is the ship that locks targets not the drones.


Errrrrr. No. Drones actually lock people they are ordered to attack (just ask a friend to set drones on you if you don't believe me, you'll see drones redboxing you). They also have a scan resolution, which is used to calculate lock-time (fighter-bombers said hi). And drones control range is not the ship lock range. Someone need to be closer than [insert drone control range here] for you to be able to order your drones to attack him. Also, it is not the range in which it will follow someone. (As far as i know, once a drone is set to attack, there is no max range in which they would not be able to go from your ship.)

Without target lock you cannot order drones to attack, so it makes sense that you will see a red box when being attacked by drones.
The real question is that red box because of the drones or the ship controlling them?
Never been attacked by drones set to aggressive mode so you may be right and you get a red box from the drones themselves.

The scan resolution is required for you to be able to lock and attack any drones that are attacking you, so all by itself that is not proof that drones can or do lock their own targets. However given the way they work while in aggressive mode they must have some form of targeting. Even if we accept this as true and based on all available information their targeting range would still be limited to that of the controlling ship since the drones themselves have no targeting range listed in their specs.

You have to separate standard drones and fighters / bombers when dealing with control range issues.
Never flown a carrier but friends tell me that fighters and bombers only have targeting and range issues as a function of ordering them to attack. Once the order has been issued they will continue to follow and attack until they or their target is destroyed.
Standard drones on the other hand will fall idle and stop dead in space once they are beyond control range. And once idle in space they will stay that way until they are destroyed, pick up or you fly back into control range and reconnect to them.
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