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Hiasa Kite
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#401 - 2015-10-18 19:54:15 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Kill rights are not usable as they can be easily manipulated, I ended up paying 50m for one that was showing 0m, the AG player will have to limit the amount of ISK in his account to prevent that type of abuse like I did, though I never confirmed if it actually went through without sufficient ISK in your wallet, I have to check that.

That whole scenario strikes me as a bug/exploit if that's actually what happened.

As long as kill rights are handled properly by the victims, they'll be a real thorn in the side of the (anti-anti-)ganker.

The cost of maintaining sec status plus the Thrasher will probably be around 10mil ISK per T2 dessy kill. Factoring insurance, that T2 dessy should lose...30mil? The ISK war definitely favours the gankers, but that's before we consider properly managed kill rights.

Don't forget, you can recoup your loss from the thankful freighter pilot that pays you for you services. Assuming they're not AFK of course. Contact the pilot and negotiate a price before you put your neck on the line for them.

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It also depends just how the destroyer behaves when its activated, knowing CCP it will become stationary and an easy kill.

I'm predicting a spool up time just like the current MJD.

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Black Pedro
Mine.
#402 - 2015-10-18 19:55:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Black Pedro
Dracvlad wrote:

I clarified what I meant to say, but was heading out to lunch, not all gankers are -10 or -5, in fact when I was active it was the Bat County Goons who were doing most of the ganks and a lot of the time they were not -5 or -10.

My suggestions are to make it so actual PvP happens, if you want it as an easy gank themepark then continue as is.

Every Bat Country fleet I have been in (which granted is not many) has been mostly made up of outlaws but I will take your word that some are not. But the point then still stands that these gank fleets will operate like they are -10 if you add some special new flag for that makes occasional nullsec gankers, or recent gankers (with a 2h suspect flag) suspect in highsec. Since most fleets already operate as if they are -10, such flags would do nothing.

I get what you are trying to do, but most of your suggestions seem like they would have little effect on the current ganking situation.

Honestly, this thread has run its course. Have fun back in nullsec.

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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#403 - 2015-10-18 19:57:33 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Mag's wrote:
Here is the rub.

We have in this thread, an AG pilot posting that he considers someone who shoots pixels in Eve, to be the same as an appalling RL criminal.

Did we get any response from Drac about this post? How appalled he was? No, not one thing.
We did get a reaction of sorts, he picked up on an unintentional pun in one of my posts that was related to the crime in question and wrongly assumed that I was making a joke about it.

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So following his logic, we should say he accepts that practice? Nah, we're not that dumb. But he is that disconnected.

All of us though...... man we are evil personified. For nothing really, just because. (He'll invent something new in a bit, I'm sure.)
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Mag's is obviously off his rocker, because generally I don't see people who merely blow up people in a game as being nasty people in real life, its starts to get a bit blurred when people start going on about gathering tears, we all enjoy it when an enemy is humbled, its human nature, but some people really like to rub other peoples noses in it which then starts to get a bit iffy, I find the CODE web site a bit toxic for that reason. Then we could talk about the people who did the bonus room and I have no concerns for saying that I would bet they are as big shites in real life as they were on the TS server.

I am not scared to say what I think, and to call out people for something I find unacceptable, but I am also not scared to admit I was wrong if I make a mistake.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

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admiral root
Red Galaxy
#404 - 2015-10-18 19:59:36 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:

I am not scared to say what I think, and to call out people for something I find unacceptable, but I am also not scared to admit I was wrong if I make a mistake.


But if anyone points out that I'm wrong, god help them, especially if they have the temerity to link relevant info to back up what they're saying. Roll

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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#405 - 2015-10-18 20:00:39 UTC
Hiasa Kite wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Kill rights are not usable as they can be easily manipulated, I ended up paying 50m for one that was showing 0m, the AG player will have to limit the amount of ISK in his account to prevent that type of abuse like I did, though I never confirmed if it actually went through without sufficient ISK in your wallet, I have to check that.

That whole scenario strikes me as a bug/exploit if that's actually what happened.

As long as kill rights are handled properly by the victims, they'll be a real thorn in the side of the (anti-anti-)ganker.

The cost of maintaining sec status plus the Thrasher will probably be around 10mil ISK per T2 dessy kill. Factoring insurance, that T2 dessy should lose...30mil? The ISK war definitely favours the gankers, but that's before we consider properly managed kill rights.

Don't forget, you can recoup your loss from the thankful freighter pilot that pays you for you services. Assuming they're not AFK of course. Contact the pilot and negotiate a price before you put your neck on the line for them.

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It also depends just how the destroyer behaves when its activated, knowing CCP it will become stationary and an easy kill.

I'm predicting a spool up time just like the current MJD.


If I decide to come back to do any AG you can be sure that the AFK ones and those that do not accept a convo from me will be left to their fate.

In terms of the spool up time they will definitely get ganked and will be a win for teh gankers, I don't know I have to see how it pans out, but if its unbalanced as I fear it is then I cannot see many AG's doing it.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#406 - 2015-10-18 20:06:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Dracvlad wrote:
Mag's is obviously off his rocker,
Coming from you that's hilarious.

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I am not scared to say what I think, and to call out people for something I find unacceptable
Especially when you don't get the obvious reference in a name and completely misconstrue what other people post. You appear to miss the thinking stage out quite regularly, you should remedy that.

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but I am also not scared to admit I was wrong if I make a mistake.
Except when you won't even admit to having made a mistake in the first place, even when the mistake is obvious to everybody but you.

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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#407 - 2015-10-18 20:16:58 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Mag's is obviously off his rocker,
Coming from you that's hilarious.

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I am not scared to say what I think, and to call out people for something I find unacceptable
Especially when you don't get the obvious reference and otherwise completely misconstrue what other people post

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but I am also not scared to admit I was wrong if I make a mistake.
Except when you won't even admit to having made a mistake in the first place, even when the mistake is obvious to everybody but you.


You mean your "I don't even..."

I misinterpreted it, at best you were trying to be smart on something that I indicated that I found offensive, so you clarified it and I accepted that I made a mistake. Its all there up above, I have no issues on making mistakes in calling out people if I suspect them of being anti-Semite, I see no reason to apologise to you because you were pulling my chain and if that hurts your feelings so be it.

Anyway I am off to bed, may your station trading be full of -0.000000001's

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#408 - 2015-10-18 20:32:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Dracvlad wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Mag's is obviously off his rocker,
Coming from you that's hilarious.

Quote:
I am not scared to say what I think, and to call out people for something I find unacceptable
Especially when you don't get the obvious reference and otherwise completely misconstrue what other people post

Quote:
but I am also not scared to admit I was wrong if I make a mistake.
Except when you won't even admit to having made a mistake in the first place, even when the mistake is obvious to everybody but you.


You mean your "I don't even..."

I misinterpreted it, at best you were trying to be smart on something that I indicated that I found offensive, so you clarified it and I accepted that I made a mistake. Its all there up above, I have no issues on making mistakes in calling out people if I suspect them of being anti-Semite, I see no reason to apologise to you because you were pulling my chain and if that hurts your feelings so be it.

Anyway I am off to bed, may your station trading be full of -0.000000001's
It's not only the "I don't even". Twice in the last few days you've completely misconstrued my posts to mean something offensive, while ignoring one post that was blatantly offensive and inflammatory.

I shouldn't have needed to clarify at all, you were the only person who managed to misconstrue 2 of my posts in this manner.

Everything you've posted in this thread over the last couple of days, that relates to other posters and what they haven't done or said, confirms my initial assessment, the one you took an offence to a long time ago, of you being a complete arse.

You need to step back, stop letting your obvious dislike of myself and others colour your reading ability, and think before you post.

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Mag's
Azn Empire
#409 - 2015-10-18 20:55:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Mag's
Dracvlad wrote:
Mag's is obviously off his rocker, because generally I don't see people who merely blow up people in a game as being nasty people in real life, its starts to get a bit blurred when people start going on about gathering tears, we all enjoy it when an enemy is humbled, its human nature, but some people really like to rub other peoples noses in it which then starts to get a bit iffy, I find the CODE web site a bit toxic for that reason. Then we could talk about the people who did the bonus room and I have no concerns for saying that I would bet they are as big shites in real life as they were on the TS server.

I am not scared to say what I think, and to call out people for something I find unacceptable, but I am also not scared to admit I was wrong if I make a mistake.
When I actually accuse you of seeing people as nasty for blowing up space pixels, then you can say I'm off my rocker. Especially if I have no evidence to back that claim up.

Just as you have done now in fact, yet another invented slur against me. Well done.
I await an apology.

Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
You need to step back, stop letting your obvious dislike of myself and others colour your reading ability, and think before you post.
As he has a track record for inventing text and slurs, I highly doubt this will happen any time soon.

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Giaus Felix
Doomheim
#410 - 2015-10-18 21:10:46 UTC
There appears to have been a battle of wits, one of the adversaries was apparently unarmed.

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Toxic Yaken
Slavers Union
Something Really Pretentious
#411 - 2015-10-18 22:46:08 UTC
I regret catching up on this thread. We're long past any creative or respectable discussion.

We circled back to another grr CODE. and friends thread again though, which is nice I guess.

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Hiasa Kite
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#412 - 2015-10-19 00:08:42 UTC
Giaus Felix wrote:
There appears to have been a battle of wits, one of the adversaries was apparently unarmed.

Appropriate.

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Cyclo Hexanol
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#413 - 2015-10-19 00:57:32 UTC
This thread got so off topic it gave my cancer a mild form of cancer.

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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#414 - 2015-10-19 05:57:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
It's not only the "I don't even". Twice in the last few days you've completely misconstrued my posts to mean something offensive, while ignoring one post that was blatantly offensive and inflammatory.

I shouldn't have needed to clarify at all, you were the only person who managed to misconstrue 2 of my posts in this manner.

Everything you've posted in this thread over the last couple of days, that relates to other posters and what they haven't done or said, confirms my initial assessment, the one you took an offence to a long time ago, of you being a complete arse.

You need to step back, stop letting your obvious dislike of myself and others colour your reading ability, and think before you post.


Now you are being a cretin, I do not click on links, fact is that the post you referred to I had not even picked up, all I saw was you raising something about paedophiles and then adding the word minor to it which was a pun, so I asked if that was a joke, then you and that other idiot mag's started going off on me asking about that unintentional pun and ignoring that first post which because I do not click links I never picked up on.

After that you pull my chain with the "I don't even" when I mention my distaste at the word Jewing used by many of the Eve community to denote ISK generation. You are the one who needs to get your head out of your ass because posting like you do is certainly going to create antagonism.

I have no respect for you that is certain, more like contempt, and you have none for me and neither does admiral root and Mag's which in my book is a win. Does that hurt your feelings great, now get back to the themepark called hisec ganking, which is totally balanced towards easy kills and tear gathering for bored null sec players having fun at the expense of hisec players who have no way to fight back.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Noragen Neirfallas
Emotional Net Loss
#415 - 2015-10-19 06:13:11 UTC
Isn't it about time to gank this thread? :D

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Cyclo Hexanol
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#416 - 2015-10-19 06:23:28 UTC
Noragen Neirfallas wrote:
Isn't it about time to gank this thread? :D


Maybe we could just like... Biomass it....

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Noragen Neirfallas
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#417 - 2015-10-19 07:03:46 UTC
Cyclo Hexanol wrote:
Noragen Neirfallas wrote:
Isn't it about time to gank this thread? :D


Maybe we could just like... Biomass it....

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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#418 - 2015-10-19 07:07:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
Noragen Neirfallas wrote:
Isn't it about time to gank this thread? :D


Why?

Its explored the unbalanced nature of themepark ganing in hisec, there is a diversion caused by my misunderstanding on another players name and the wind up tactics perpetrated by ganker supporters around it but it has some good stuff in here.

Don't forget I explored the fact that ganking is really easy and that opposing it requires change to hisec to address the balance, you won't agree with me, but the objective from my part was to push towards actual PvP by tweaks without removing PvP in hisec.

That many of you don't agree with what I proposed is fair enough, but I have to point out again that doing AG is not really that much fun and all the mechanics are stacked against it, I also believe that this MJD destroyer will be another unbalanced feature which will not be used because who on the AG side can throw away 50m to maybe get a freighter to warp out 100 km away which is no guarantee of safety. I guess it's wait and see on that.

Have you ganked a Macherial yet by the way, I found it really difficult to get into position to kill them when they had a tank fitted, the last time I tried we needed three Talos's and there was two Macherial's so they were able to keep bumping and avoid the gank. Its not as easy as blasting a Freighter... and another example of what one would call unbalance in terms of the game play.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#419 - 2015-10-19 08:23:58 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Now you are being a cretin, I do not click on links, fact is that the post you referred to I had not even picked up, all I saw was you raising something about paedophiles and then adding the word minor to it which was a pun, so I asked if that was a joke, then you and that other idiot mag's started going off on me asking about that unintentional pun and ignoring that first post which because I do not click links I never picked up on.

After that you pull my chain with the "I don't even" when I mention my distaste at the word Jewing used by many of the Eve community to denote ISK generation. You are the one who needs to get your head out of your ass because posting like you do is certainly going to create antagonism.
Seriously just stop. The only thing you're doing is digging yourself deeper into a hole of your own making. Although somewhat amusing, it's getting embarrassing and is painful to watch.

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I have no respect for you that is certain, more like contempt, and you have none for me and neither does admiral root and Mag's which in my book is a win. Does that hurt your feelings great
Nothing of value has been lost or gained then, and my feelings are just fine, thanks for asking.

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now get back to the themepark called hisec ganking, which is totally balanced towards easy kills and tear gathering for bored null sec players having fun at the expense of hisec players who have no way to fight back.
Except that the reality is that those hisec players that have "no way" to fight back have access to exactly the same tools and mechanics as the guys doing the shooting; they can fight back, they choose not to.

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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#420 - 2015-10-19 08:33:33 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Now you are being a cretin, I do not click on links, fact is that the post you referred to I had not even picked up, all I saw was you raising something about paedophiles and then adding the word minor to it which was a pun, so I asked if that was a joke, then you and that other idiot mag's started going off on me asking about that unintentional pun and ignoring that first post which because I do not click links I never picked up on.

After that you pull my chain with the "I don't even" when I mention my distaste at the word Jewing used by many of the Eve community to denote ISK generation. You are the one who needs to get your head out of your ass because posting like you do is certainly going to create antagonism.
Seriously just stop. The only thing you're doing is digging yourself deeper into a hole of your own making. Although somewhat amusing, it's getting embarrassing and is painful to watch.

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I have no respect for you that is certain, more like contempt, and you have none for me and neither does admiral root and Mag's which in my book is a win. Does that hurt your feelings great
Nothing of value has been lost or gained then, and my feelings are just fine, thanks for asking.

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now get back to the themepark called hisec ganking, which is totally balanced towards easy kills and tear gathering for bored null sec players having fun at the expense of hisec players who have no way to fight back.
Except that the reality is that those hisec players that have "no way" to fight back have access to exactly the same tools and mechanics as the guys doing the shooting; they can fight back, they choose not to.


You seem to think I should be embarrassed that a load of low lives on Eve forums think I am stupid, seriously giving NOFUX.

Ganking is hisec is unbalanced, its win win for the gankers and no win for the AG players, my suggestions was to adjust that balance, of course CCP will not do anything like I propose, their idea of balance is to throw a new expensive ship into the mix that will be easy kills so taht gankers can say you have the tools and don't bother to further stroke their epeens, yet you play in a Ganker themepark called hisec.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

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