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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#381 - 2015-10-18 19:18:59 UTC
Hiasa Kite wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
I know that as soon as this Destroyer is in the game it will be the number one target for ganking

I very much doubt that. Given that the ship will almost certainly be operating at range, to make up for the destroyers' typical lack of tank, they have little to fear from your run-of-the-mill gankalyst. Also remember, that this ship can complete its task of breaking bump tackle in a matter of seconds - long before a gank fleet can get a good warp in.

Gankalyst effective range is barely 3km and it wouldn't surprise me to see T2 dessies operating at the 20-30km range. The cost of the hull and fit probably won't be much more than 50mil. My money's on it being less, once the market has settled.

So, cheap gankalysts are a no-no, they just aren't fast enough and lack the range. Maybe some arty thrashers? Again, the window of opportunity is small, so warping in won't work, the arty thrasher will likely have to sit on grid - complete with his killlrights from previous T2 dessy ganks.

I'm thinking that the T2 dessy will actually be a pretty effective, relatively low risk counter to bump tackle.


I hope you are right, I was working on the range of 5 km which is what you have on the structure which will give a fair chance for ganking the destroyer, at least they will have to have a screen around the Macherial which will create content.

A Thrasher in exchange for a 50m ship is however a nasty exchange for the AG player, I can't see too many doing it if its too easy.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#382 - 2015-10-18 19:21:54 UTC
admiral root wrote:
Am I reading this correctly? He's unblocked the guy he bizarrely thought was being anti-semetic, but he's still angry enough with the guys who pointed out he was wrong to keep them blocked?

To quote the great philosopher, Alana Charen-Tang, anti-ganker logic: it makes even creationists cringe.
I think the forums that he's reading exist in a parallel universe where I'm a religious bigot and you and Mags have switched posts with him. It certainly strikes me as a logical explanation.

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Hiasa Kite
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#383 - 2015-10-18 19:27:21 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
[I hope you are right, I was working on the range of 5 km which is what you have on the structure which will give a fair chance for ganking the destroyer, at least they will have to have a screen around the Macherial which will create content.

I'm working with the assumption that the new module is primarily intended to move whole fleets, at least a sizeable chunk of them anyway. You're not going to achieve that goal if its effective AoE radius is as low as 5km. 20km strikes me as practical without being potentially OP. Possibly modifiable via skills?

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A Thrasher in exchange for a 50m ship is however a nasty exchange for the AG player, I can't see too many doing it if its too easy.

Indeed. Like I said however, a ganky thrasher would be vulnerable as he's forced to sit on grid if he's to counter a T2 dessy. Spot that first, activate KR and kill it, then bring in the T2.

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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#384 - 2015-10-18 19:28:32 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
I will not apologise for my contempt towards the use of the term 'Jewing' and that Jonah thinks that is acceptable terminology means I have no wish to continue to talk to you,
Please provide a quote where I have said that I consider the phrase to be acceptable.

FYI I do not.

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the use of "I don't even" indicates that you have no issues with its offensive use in Eve.
You're seeing things that aren't there; nowhere, ever, have I even implied to the slightest degree that I consider its use to be acceptable.

"I don't even" is a commonly used expression of disbelief; it is often used when you are lost for words, normally in response to a display of outstanding idiocy.

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admiral root and mag's have both proved to me that they are not worth engaging with and I have blocked them for that reason.
How mature of you. Maybe you should stop and think about why you get the reactions that you do before posting in future, 90% of your problems on the forum are self inflicted, and believe me you have problems, especially with credibility.

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Enjoy your ganker themepark...
We will, thanks.


So you don't find the use of "Jewing" acceptable, pretty difficult to ascertain that from your previous post, but I of course will take this post as clarifying your position.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#385 - 2015-10-18 19:32:03 UTC
Guess you're not blocked after all, Jonah. Of course, I'm going to block you for creeping me out with all that talk of parallel universes. Scary stuff.

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Mag's
Azn Empire
#386 - 2015-10-18 19:33:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Mag's
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
admiral root wrote:
Am I reading this correctly? He's unblocked the guy he bizarrely thought was being anti-semetic, but he's still angry enough with the guys who pointed out he was wrong to keep them blocked?

To quote the great philosopher, Alana Charen-Tang, anti-ganker logic: it makes even creationists cringe.
I think the forums that he's reading exist in a parallel universe where I'm a religious bigot and you and Mags have switched posts with him. It certainly strikes me as a logical explanation.
The funny thing is, he was the first to mention the phrase 'Jewing' in this thread, afaik. I most certainly haven't seen you lot use it. It is a quite abhorrent phrase. Then to cover up his massive error, invented some notion of you accepting it, even though he was the one bringing it up.

Nice disconnect from reality Drac, but we all have the measure of the man now. Too little, too late my old son. Plus the mud slinging is real childish stuff and laughable, considering we can see who said what.

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Mag's
Azn Empire
#387 - 2015-10-18 19:34:14 UTC
admiral root wrote:
Guess you're not blocked after all, Jonah. Of course, I'm going to block you for creeping me out with all that talk of parallel universes. Scary stuff.
I told you bud, he can't help himself. Win win, just like CODE.

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Hiasa Kite
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#388 - 2015-10-18 19:34:21 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
pretty difficult to ascertain that from your previous post, but I of course will take this post as clarifying your position.

Could you link it? I've checked back to the point I realised I was blocked and saw nothing that even remotely implied his tolerance for the term.

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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#389 - 2015-10-18 19:35:31 UTC
Hiasa Kite wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
[I hope you are right, I was working on the range of 5 km which is what you have on the structure which will give a fair chance for ganking the destroyer, at least they will have to have a screen around the Macherial which will create content.

I'm working with the assumption that the new module is primarily intended to move whole fleets, at least a sizeable chunk of them anyway. You're not going to achieve that goal if its effective AoE radius is as low as 5km. 20km strikes me as practical without being potentially OP. Possibly modifiable via skills?

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A Thrasher in exchange for a 50m ship is however a nasty exchange for the AG player, I can't see too many doing it if its too easy.

Indeed. Like I said however, a ganky thrasher would be vulnerable as he's forced to sit on grid if he's to counter a T2 dessy. Spot that first, activate KR and kill it, then bring in the T2.


Yeah I never bothered using the structure because its not very effective.

Kill rights are not usable as they can be easily manipulated, I ended up paying 50m for one that was showing 0m, the AG player will have to limit the amount of ISK in his account to prevent that type of abuse like I did, though I never confirmed if it actually went through without sufficient ISK in your wallet, I have to check that.

It also depends just how the destroyer behaves when its activated, knowing CCP it will become stationary and an easy kill.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Mortlake
Republic Military School
#390 - 2015-10-18 19:39:12 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:


EDIT: But I am not too up myself to admit that I could be wrong and that he really did set up his character as "Hi as a Kite" just that with the absolute awful use of the word jewing as a way of criticising the making of ISK I have come to the conclusion that a fair number of Eve players are naturally anti-semites.


Block me please. You're the shittest troll ever. Nobody is this ******* stupid.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#391 - 2015-10-18 19:41:37 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
So you don't find the use of "Jewing" acceptable, pretty difficult to ascertain that from your previous post, but I of course will take this post as clarifying your position.
I found it unacceptable enough that I reported you for using it.

What I'm taking from this little incident is that unless I categorically state that I find unacceptable and offensive things, that are generally recognised as such, to be unacceptable then you shall assume that I find them to be acceptable. Am I getting this right?

Did anybody else take my lack of comment on the derogatory nature of the offensive term, that our friend Dracvlad here used, to mean that I found its use to be acceptable? Or was my lack of comment because it was beneath me to do so?

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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#392 - 2015-10-18 19:43:40 UTC
Mortlake wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:


EDIT: But I am not too up myself to admit that I could be wrong and that he really did set up his character as "Hi as a Kite" just that with the absolute awful use of the word jewing as a way of criticising the making of ISK I have come to the conclusion that a fair number of Eve players are naturally anti-semites.


Block me please. You're the shittest troll ever. Nobody is this ******* stupid.


Just block me, its easy.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#393 - 2015-10-18 19:44:38 UTC
Personally, I find your failure to recite a long litany of blatantly offensive things that you're opposed to in every single post you make to be a clear indication that you support those things.

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Mag's
Azn Empire
#394 - 2015-10-18 19:44:59 UTC
Hiasa Kite wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
pretty difficult to ascertain that from your previous post, but I of course will take this post as clarifying your position.

Could you link it? I've checked back to the point I realised I was blocked and saw nothing that even remotely implied his tolerance for the term.
Here is the rub.

We have in this thread, an AG pilot posting that he considers someone who shoots pixels in Eve, to be the same as an appalling RL criminal.

Did we get any response from Drac about this post? How appalled he was? No, not one thing. So following his logic, we should say he accepts that practice? Nah, we're not that dumb. But he is that disconnected.

All of us though...... man we are evil personified. For nothing really, just because. (He'll invent something new in a bit, I'm sure.)

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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#395 - 2015-10-18 19:49:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
So you don't find the use of "Jewing" acceptable, pretty difficult to ascertain that from your previous post, but I of course will take this post as clarifying your position.
I found it unacceptable enough that I reported you for using it.

What I'm taking from this little incident is that unless I categorically state that I find unacceptable and offensive things, that are generally recognised as such, to be unacceptable then you shall assume that I find them to be acceptable. Am I getting this right?

Did anybody else take my lack of comment on the derogatory nature of the offensive term, that our friend Dracvlad here used, to mean that I found its use to be acceptable? Or was my lack of comment because it was beneath me to do so?


So using the reporting button on the forums, I must have hurt your feelings, that's amusing reporting someone for saying they don't like that term when explaining why I thought that the player name could be what I thought it was, and you saying "I don't even" on that part, which looked like it could mean you don't even find that something worth getting upset about.

Because you seemed to make light of it I assumed that you were ok with its use, which you then clarified that were not, which I accepted, I think you did that deliberately to get me to react now, so well played, perhaps you should report your own post for that.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Mag's
Azn Empire
#396 - 2015-10-18 19:50:54 UTC
Yet more invention from Drac, who would have thunk it?

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admiral root
Red Galaxy
#397 - 2015-10-18 19:51:20 UTC
Just how far down the rabbit hole have we gone at this point?

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#398 - 2015-10-18 19:51:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Mag's wrote:
Here is the rub.

We have in this thread, an AG pilot posting that he considers someone who shoots pixels in Eve, to be the same as an appalling RL criminal.

Did we get any response from Drac about this post? How appalled he was? No, not one thing.
We did get a reaction of sorts, he picked up on an unintentional, and unfunny, pun in one of my posts that was related to the crime comparison in question and wrongly assumed that I was making a tasteless joke about it.

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So following his logic, we should say he accepts that practice? Nah, we're not that dumb. But he is that disconnected.

All of us though...... man we are evil personified. For nothing really, just because. (He'll invent something new in a bit, I'm sure.)
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Azn Empire
#399 - 2015-10-18 19:52:50 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Mag's wrote:
Here is the rub.

We have in this thread, an AG pilot posting that he considers someone who shoots pixels in Eve, to be the same as an appalling RL criminal.

Did we get any response from Drac about this post? How appalled he was? No, not one thing.
We did get a reaction of sorts, he picked up on an unintentional pun in one of my posts that was related to the crime in question and wrongly assumed that I was making a joke about it.

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So following his logic, we should say he accepts that practice? Nah, we're not that dumb. But he is that disconnected.

All of us though...... man we are evil personified. For nothing really, just because. (He'll invent something new in a bit, I'm sure.)
Me IRLTwisted
You look... Minging Lol

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#400 - 2015-10-18 19:53:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Dracvlad wrote:
So using the reporting button on the forums, I must have hurt your feelings, that's amusing reporting someone for saying they don't like that term when explaining why I thought that the player name could be what I thought it was, and you saying "I don't even" on that part, which looked like it could mean you don't even find that something worth getting upset about.

Because you seemed to make light of it I assumed that you were ok with its use, which you then clarified that were not, which I accepted, I think you did that deliberately to get me to react now, so well played, perhaps you should report your own post for that.
Keep pedalling...

I reported your post for using an offensive, bigoted and unacceptable term in your outlandish attempt to accuse another player of being a religious bigot simply because you didn't understand the bloody obvious joke behind his characters name; not because you hurt my feelings.

Seriously, stop embarrassing yourself and pull your head out of your arse.

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