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Daniela Doran
Doomheim
#21 - 2015-10-16 11:55:00 UTC
Captain Awkward wrote:
Daniela Doran wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
Adooni wrote:

If you have different idea please post them here.
Maybe CCP could try something like allowing older players to sell some of their skill points to newer players.

Mr Epeen Cool


I assume you're joking, but if PO continues to dwindle then CCP may get desperate and try something as stupid as this. At that time I'll begin unsubbing all my accounts because the game will then be garbage.


Can I have your stuff ?

This


I'm at total loss for words. I mean I really can't believe it. I thought Mr. Epeen was just trolling, but to my dumbfounded shock, he was actually serious. And like I thought, Eve is starting to lose it's REALNESS appeal for me. If this stupid crap sticks, then I may end up biomassing all my chars on all my accounts within the next 3 months when my subs run out. With this stupidity, the Hour Glass on Eve has been flipped and Eve's time is officially starting to die out now.
Eternal Bob
Doomheim
#22 - 2015-10-16 12:03:47 UTC
I honestly don't think there is much CCP can do at this point. EVE was always a niche game, but look at the MMO market now compared to when EVE began. It's even more niche than ever. Gamers are less receptive to the idea of long-term investment for their rewards.

Unless something drastic occurs I believe it's going to be a case of downsizing and milking the players whilst they can from hereon in.

Biomassing to free a char slot.
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#23 - 2015-10-16 12:10:20 UTC
Adooni wrote:
I am not sure if you notice the same it is looking that we lost half of players playing the best game ever. My few colleague left game lately as it began to be to expensive for them to play.

Challenge I see is PLEX price few years ago it was 200M now is 1.2B but ships, weapon etc. price did not become few hundreds % more expensive. Additional PLEX/GTC for real money is twice more expensive compering to different MMO/Online games. We have now situation that players playing a lot and when do not have very good corporation just bleed trying to gather money for 1 PLEX . From second side people that are buying PLEX in real life become billionaires and can manipulate market what basically is killing this game.

We have got exactly the same situation few years ago in real life in Saudi Arabia where basically food product were so expensive that people started to starve. Then the Sheikh fix praises for same product and it is working for very long time.

I have Idea to set max price for PLEX at 500M ISK ( at Market and in Contracts) and when someone would like to sell his PLEX will go a little below this price to make his offer interested.

If you have different idea please post them here - I truly do not want this game to die. If we do not do anything next year PLEX price will be 2B and game will die.


its a Hobby, if you don't have 15 euro a month for a Hobby you might just watch TV instead

Harry Forever vs. Goonswarm
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#24 - 2015-10-16 12:39:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Lan Wang
Harry Forever wrote:
Adooni wrote:
I am not sure if you notice the same it is looking that we lost half of players playing the best game ever. My few colleague left game lately as it began to be to expensive for them to play.

Challenge I see is PLEX price few years ago it was 200M now is 1.2B but ships, weapon etc. price did not become few hundreds % more expensive. Additional PLEX/GTC for real money is twice more expensive compering to different MMO/Online games. We have now situation that players playing a lot and when do not have very good corporation just bleed trying to gather money for 1 PLEX . From second side people that are buying PLEX in real life become billionaires and can manipulate market what basically is killing this game.

We have got exactly the same situation few years ago in real life in Saudi Arabia where basically food product were so expensive that people started to starve. Then the Sheikh fix praises for same product and it is working for very long time.

I have Idea to set max price for PLEX at 500M ISK ( at Market and in Contracts) and when someone would like to sell his PLEX will go a little below this price to make his offer interested.

If you have different idea please post them here - I truly do not want this game to die. If we do not do anything next year PLEX price will be 2B and game will die.


its a Hobby, if you don't have 15 euro a month for a Hobby you might just watch TV instead


This is the best thing i have heard all month

i like the plex price as it is, means i dont need to buy 4 plex just to buy and fit my blops

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Adooni
H.O.M.E.W.O.R.L.D
#25 - 2015-10-17 23:58:04 UTC
I see there is several very similar topic at forum made by players this week. Mainly there are about PLEX prices or new ideas for new PLEX use to make game P2W :(

Please CCP do not kill game that with success is with us for 12 years.
MeestaPenni
Mercantile and Stuff
#26 - 2015-10-18 00:26:01 UTC
This game started its slide down the hill the moment they introduced PLEX. It didn't take long before people realized they could buy game time for a few bucks, sell the PLEX on the market, and replenish their ship hangar. Aside from the skill queue, having the isk to buy a new battleship was something to work towards in game. I remember getting an officer drop in 0.0 with a corpmate....holy **** were we excited for the windfall. I lived off that income for years. Now, if I want to buy some stuff....buy some game time, sell the PLEX, and bingo...I've got a bunch of throwaway frigates and dessies.

I am not Prencleeve Grothsmore.
MeestaPenni
Mercantile and Stuff
#27 - 2015-10-18 00:27:25 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
Adooni wrote:
I am not sure if you notice the same it is looking that we lost half of players playing the best game ever. My few colleague left game lately as it began to be to expensive for them to play.

Challenge I see is PLEX price few years ago it was 200M now is 1.2B but ships, weapon etc. price did not become few hundreds % more expensive. Additional PLEX/GTC for real money is twice more expensive compering to different MMO/Online games. We have now situation that players playing a lot and when do not have very good corporation just bleed trying to gather money for 1 PLEX . From second side people that are buying PLEX in real life become billionaires and can manipulate market what basically is killing this game.

We have got exactly the same situation few years ago in real life in Saudi Arabia where basically food product were so expensive that people started to starve. Then the Sheikh fix praises for same product and it is working for very long time.

I have Idea to set max price for PLEX at 500M ISK ( at Market and in Contracts) and when someone would like to sell his PLEX will go a little below this price to make his offer interested.

If you have different idea please post them here - I truly do not want this game to die. If we do not do anything next year PLEX price will be 2B and game will die.


its a Hobby, if you don't have 15 euro a month for a Hobby you might just watch TV instead


This is the best thing i have heard all month

i like the plex price as it is, means i dont need to buy 4 plex just to buy and fit my blops


This ^. This player has no intent to achieve the blops....they're going to simply buy the blop.

I am not Prencleeve Grothsmore.
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2015-10-18 05:38:46 UTC
MeestaPenni wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
Adooni wrote:
I am not sure if you notice the same it is looking that we lost half of players playing the best game ever. My few colleague left game lately as it began to be to expensive for them to play.

Challenge I see is PLEX price few years ago it was 200M now is 1.2B but ships, weapon etc. price did not become few hundreds % more expensive. Additional PLEX/GTC for real money is twice more expensive compering to different MMO/Online games. We have now situation that players playing a lot and when do not have very good corporation just bleed trying to gather money for 1 PLEX . From second side people that are buying PLEX in real life become billionaires and can manipulate market what basically is killing this game.

We have got exactly the same situation few years ago in real life in Saudi Arabia where basically food product were so expensive that people started to starve. Then the Sheikh fix praises for same product and it is working for very long time.

I have Idea to set max price for PLEX at 500M ISK ( at Market and in Contracts) and when someone would like to sell his PLEX will go a little below this price to make his offer interested.

If you have different idea please post them here - I truly do not want this game to die. If we do not do anything next year PLEX price will be 2B and game will die.


its a Hobby, if you don't have 15 euro a month for a Hobby you might just watch TV instead


This is the best thing i have heard all month

i like the plex price as it is, means i dont need to buy 4 plex just to buy and fit my blops


This ^. This player has no intent to achieve the blops....they're going to simply buy the blop.

You can buy the tools, but not the Skillpoints for it ... oh wait. Evil

I'm my own NPC alt.
Demolishar
United Aggression
#29 - 2015-10-18 11:34:44 UTC
PLEX price is a symptom, not a cause.
ArmyOfMe
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#30 - 2015-10-18 11:47:58 UTC
Deck Cadelanne wrote:
Another "make EVE f2p" thread.


I suggest you use some of those new sp's you can soon buy to train up reading comprehension Roll

GM Guard > I must ask you not to use the petition option like this again but i personally would finish the chicken sandwich first so it won´t go to waste. The spaghetti will keep and you can use it the next time you get hungry. Best regards.
Hal Morsh
Doomheim
#31 - 2015-10-18 12:08:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Hal Morsh
MeestaPenni wrote:
This game started its slide down the hill the moment they introduced PLEX. It didn't take long before people realized they could buy game time for a few bucks, sell the PLEX on the market, and replenish their ship hangar. Aside from the skill queue, having the isk to buy a new battleship was something to work towards in game. I remember getting an officer drop in 0.0 with a corpmate....holy **** were we excited for the windfall. I lived off that income for years. Now, if I want to buy some stuff....buy some game time, sell the PLEX, and bingo...I've got a bunch of throwaway frigates and dessies.



I get excited for even C-type drops.

Burning out those armor reps on a brutix just to tank the room and grab that overseer quick before a gila warps in. I've had min/max farmers steal my loots.

Oh, I perfectly understand, Hal Morsh — a mission like this requires courage, skill, and heroism… qualities you are clearly lacking. Have you forgotten you're one of the bloody immortals!?
Carrie-Anne Moss
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2015-10-18 12:28:35 UTC

I QUIT DURING INCARNIA. QUIT. SPACEBARBIES AND GREED IS GOOD CAN GO TO HELL FOR REAL.


I set a long skill queue with several cruiser 5s and some other good 5s.

SEE YOU IN A WHILE CCP IF YOU EVER GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASSES.


ILL BE FREAKING PLAYING WORLD OF WARSHIPS FOR THE TWITCH-PVP-NO-1-SEC-SERVER-TICK-TWOTCHY PVP
GOT 5MONTHS LEFT ON SUB. ILL PLAY WARSHIPS TIL XMAS THEN CHECK BACK TO SEE HOW PAY2WIN HAS RUINED GAME

AND IM SICK OF YOU CODDLING CAREBEARS AND NERFING CONTENT CREATORS.





(DO NOT WORRY EVE-O JUST CUZ PLAYING WORLD OF WARSHIPS AND SKILLQUEUE ONLINE I WILL STILL LONG IN TO POST ON FORUMS)
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#33 - 2015-10-18 13:27:42 UTC
Adooni wrote:
I am not sure if you notice the same it is looking that we lost half of players playing the best game ever. My few colleague left game lately as it began to be to expensive for them to play.

Challenge I see is PLEX price few years ago it was 200M now is 1.2B but ships, weapon etc. price did not become few hundreds % more expensive. Additional PLEX/GTC for real money is twice more expensive compering to different MMO/Online games. We have now situation that players playing a lot and when do not have very good corporation just bleed trying to gather money for 1 PLEX . From second side people that are buying PLEX in real life become billionaires and can manipulate market what basically is killing this game.

We have got exactly the same situation few years ago in real life in Saudi Arabia where basically food product were so expensive that people started to starve. Then the Sheikh fix praises for same product and it is working for very long time.

I have Idea to set max price for PLEX at 500M ISK ( at Market and in Contracts) and when someone would like to sell his PLEX will go a little below this price to make his offer interested.

If you have different idea please post them here - I truly do not want this game to die. If we do not do anything next year PLEX price will be 2B and game will die.


OK then when I buy PLEX from Markee Dragon I can sell them on the market for 500M or station trade them privately to someone for 1.1B

Obvious end result: zero plex on the market.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#34 - 2015-10-18 13:30:49 UTC
Eternal Bob wrote:
I honestly don't think there is much CCP can do at this point. EVE was always a niche game, but look at the MMO market now compared to when EVE began. It's even more niche than ever. Gamers are less receptive to the idea of long-term investment for their rewards.

Unless something drastic occurs I believe it's going to be a case of downsizing and milking the players whilst they can from hereon in.


To the contrary, there are several effective options they could choose.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Robert Sawyer
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#35 - 2015-10-18 13:37:55 UTC
Real-life PLEX prices did not change, and the in-game ones didn't change because of CCP, but because of inflation - you see, you THINK that 1.2 billion ISK is a sh*tload of money, but what's really happening is ISK is losing it's value and slowly becoming worthless. This is because everybody nowadays is buying ISK to control the market.
However, you'd think that since PLEX is in abundance, the price should go down. No, PLEX has an insanely high demand on the market and the prices will continue going up.
I know a guy who bought 10 PLEX when they were 200 million and now he's swimming in ISK - however, I don't recommend investing in PLEX as it is a risky business and the prices can crash anytime now.


Oh, and CCP can't do anything about the prices - EVE's market is a capitalistic one, and the "state" (CCP) cannot intervene.

"And when, at last, the moment is yours, that agony will become your greatest triumph."
Gaellia Bonaventure
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#36 - 2015-10-18 16:01:59 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Adooni wrote:

If you have different idea please post them here.
Maybe CCP could try something like allowing older players to sell some of their skill points to newer players.

Mr Epeen Cool


That's a crazy idea it will obvs never happen. Lol

Bring your possibles.
Tronity Neutronux
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2015-10-18 17:13:46 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:

its a Hobby, if you don't have 15 euro a month for a Hobby you might just watch TV instead


If EVE would be the one and only thing in the hole world you could get for your 15€ I would agree. I baked a game for 65€ which became crap so I got less fun/h for my money. I paid 15€ for another one once and played it over 400 hours ... so I got many fun/h from that one. I paid for a F2P game (I did not have to but as you said you might pay for your hobby) and got many hundrets of hour for well a few hundrets of €. So might be not the most efficient but I could login anytime to this accounts and could pick up if I feel I have to. I just paid as long as I used it and I may come back without coins. So it's not just the question if I have the money for my hobby but if I would pay money for that game. Why should I pay for EVE? If I login every day and play it many hours it would be worth it for sure. If I login just once a week or even less then it's pretty much pay for SP and that 2% more damage for 10€ could be pretty expensive in that case especially if you don't use it soon anyway.
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#38 - 2015-10-18 17:29:58 UTC
Like a week ago some glowy dude wearing nothing but a sheet surrounded by vape smoke or clouds and told me there would be a great flood. That I should build a Tayra and load it with 2 of every commodity and the provisions to last for 40 days.

Looks like dude was right cuz man some of these kids are crying up biblical floods.

As time goes on it becomes more and more apparent that eventually we're going to have to repeal the right to freedom of speech. It coupled with the internet and other forms of mass media is too disastrous.
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#39 - 2015-10-18 18:54:18 UTC
Tronity Neutronux wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:

its a Hobby, if you don't have 15 euro a month for a Hobby you might just watch TV instead


If EVE would be the one and only thing in the hole world you could get for your 15€ I would agree. I baked a game for 65€ which became crap so I got less fun/h for my money. I paid 15€ for another one once and played it over 400 hours ... so I got many fun/h from that one. I paid for a F2P game (I did not have to but as you said you might pay for your hobby) and got many hundrets of hour for well a few hundrets of €. So might be not the most efficient but I could login anytime to this accounts and could pick up if I feel I have to. I just paid as long as I used it and I may come back without coins. So it's not just the question if I have the money for my hobby but if I would pay money for that game. Why should I pay for EVE? If I login every day and play it many hours it would be worth it for sure. If I login just once a week or even less then it's pretty much pay for SP and that 2% more damage for 10€ could be pretty expensive in that case especially if you don't use it soon anyway.


a hobby is something which you enjoy, if you are not enjoying it then its no longer a hobby, you should leave if you dont think the game is worth it

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#40 - 2015-10-18 19:48:52 UTC
There's a huge disconnect between the thread title and the content of the OP. The latter is just another whine about PLEx prices, and the answer to the former is: kill them. Kill them all (in-game).

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
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