Player Features and Ideas Discussion

But why? The whole idea of projectiles is that they have long falloff but bad optimals.

I'd rather they fix artillery first. I fit up a stabbed once with medium artillery, a tracking computer, and a tracking enhancer and got something like .03 tracking, not to mention the horrible PG needs for them. I don't see a reason to change those ships just for lore reasons.

So, I was wrong, the .03 was without the tracking computer and enhancer. They bumped it to .045.

However, just as a comparison, I fit the smallest medium artillery and the largest large autocannon to an unbonused battleship, the dominix. I gave them both republic fleet fusion ammo. This was on null-sec.com btw, not EFT, because I don't have it installed.

The 650mm artillery had .03263 tracking
The 800mm autocannon had .054 tracking.

That's right, the largest battleship sized autocannon had 65.5% more tracking than the smallest medium artillery when both fit with the same, short range ammo.

1. I'm not the OP, I just mentioned I'd rather see arty fixed first.
2. I think it really does matter whether I can hit the broad side of an Erebus or not.

I'd be fine with the low dps but high alpha, it's just the tracking and PG kills them.

what i would like too see is their damage being more focused on projectiles, so less drones and stronger projectile damage.

Dramiel
- lose all drones
- add a 3rd turret
- maybe reduce role damage bonus a little

Cynabal
- reduce drones to 20mb
-add a 5th turret
- perhaps increase ROF a little

Machariel
- reduce drones to 40mb
- add 8th turret
- maybe increase damage bonus

as it stands they are a mix of utility/launcher/drones and projectiles and can armour tank aswell as shields, basically they are the same as minmatar ships but with warp speed bonus and more agility, they aren't really any better at projectiles and aren't really any more focused than minnie ships like stabber/vagabond, there needs too be a clearer distinction between the 2 races ships philosophies.

Well signature resolution still plays a huge role. So the medium arty will track better or on par with the large autocannon.

Medium turret = 120m sig radius
Large turret = 400m sig radius (IIRC)

Also, minmatar projectiles have ammo that is tracking bonused that also has no optimal penalty (just less damage). When i fly artyships, these are the requirements to make them track decently to pick off faster, smaller targets.

Metastasis rig (t1/t2)
x2 TE
Ammo is either titanium sabot, depleted uranium or quake for tracking. I only use faction fusion, PP, EMP against cruisers+.

On an unbonused tracking hull that should put you around .04-.05 using 720s (650s are garbage tbh). Since i fly the fleet cane with its 50% tracking bonus, it will bump it up to .06-.07. You can get to .1 on a fleet cane but you need 2 t2 meta rigs and drop booster. Even with .06 tracking, arties track quite well as long as you know how to pilot.

As to the OP. It could be interesting to have some rediculous optimal bonus (500%) but i fear that would make artillery on a mach/cynabun pretty strong.

Not really, ive popped inties and other frigs while im flying around at 1.6-2.2km/s just fine. Its more about lining up the shot and keeping transversal down. Was able to hit a DD at 6-7km the other day because i neuted him out long enough to cycle MWD.

Railguns have worse tracking than arty. The difference is there are a few hybrid hulls that have tracking bonuses. Where as minmatar are mainly limited to navy faction for tracking bonuses and the sub-par muninn.