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Thoughts on PLEX prices and what can possibly be done.

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Shade Alidiana
PROSPERO Corporation
#1 - 2015-10-17 16:28:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Shade Alidiana
I've been thinking a lot in the light of the recent CCP proposal. Yes, they may really lack subs and want money. They have a right to.
I have some friends that don't resub because PLEX prices went insane. They might come back.
I also know some friends that don't even start because of that. And some alts aren't created for the same reason. That is one thing.

Other thing. Mostly CCP introduce new stuff through aurum system. PLEX is tied to aur, so people (some of them) buy PLEX and turn it in. This increases demand for them, thus increasing price. CCP reasonably want more money so they introduce more and more stuff, and plex keeps going up all the time possibly because of that.

Another thing. Some of the people buying PLEX turn it to aur and sell as, say, SKINs. This removes it from market, thus decreasing supply. Surely this increases its price. I don't think this factore is heavy enough, though. I may be wrong, not havung any stats.

Yet another thing. For people that want to buy isk for $, PLEX isn't the best option. Maybe not even a good one.


So, thoughts are: if we untie PLEX from AUR system, it might stabilize. Just don't let it be turned into AUR any more.
Also, maybe (just maybe) it will help to decrease AUR price a little bit. 10-20% at most. Just to make PLEX a little more viable option. SKINs and clothes will still be bought, regardless. This way I expect to increase the supply of PLEXes on market.

Now are there flaws in my logic or should I actually poke someone from CSM or CCP themself (or try to at least) with this idea?

P. S. Please don't beat me for asking to increase AUR prices. That can be made to work in different ways, it's just a suggestion.

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Edit: I've forgot one more factor of PLEX prices indeed. And CCP's income through that. Back when I started to play, a Machariel (just a sample expensive thing people may waht to own) costed 750 million isk, and PLEX was only 300. Now, machariel is around 500, and plex is 1200. There's a lot less PLEX needed to buy anything you want, so that decreases the supply a lot. Maybe we need a lot more insanely expensive things or make existing things more rare.

P. S. so now those who actually buy PLEX to get stuff will be more against me as well...
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#2 - 2015-10-17 16:32:12 UTC
Here's the solution in one sentence:

If you find the price too high, don't buy it.

Glad I could help.

Mr Epeen Cool
Shade Alidiana
PROSPERO Corporation
#3 - 2015-10-17 17:04:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Shade Alidiana
I think we were having player numbers issue here. The fact that I'm posting on forums suggests that I'm holding a subscription and so am mostly ok with the price.

But we two (three, with the person that liked you) aren't alone in this world. I find the whole AUR thing disruptive to normal things' pace, so limiting PLEX to only being what it initially was (game time) and maybe way to pay for fanfest and similar tickets can do a little damage control.

I wouldn't care if CCP didn't try silly things again and again to bring more people in. I've suggested a possible way to do so, without disrupting gameplay and other stuff.

P. S. yes, I'm among those considering old EVE being better than current one. And it getting worse and worse with time (even thougs some features/changes are nice).
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#4 - 2015-10-17 17:15:12 UTC
if they uncouple plex and aur people will just look to see what gets the most isk and buy that. Might get a slight decline in price as I assume people are lazy, and will probably just buy plex. Look at the difference between the multi-character training cert and PLEX. there is almost no difference, but the MPTC trades with far lower volume. Also there are so many skins and clothing items that trading in those would get rather complected and a pain in the arse fast. way, way easier to just buy a plex convert to aur and get the skins you want.

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Rykuss
Inactive.
The Ancients.
#5 - 2015-10-17 17:16:22 UTC
Here's a radical solution: Pay the sub.

You, too, can be a Solid Gold dancer.

Shade Alidiana
PROSPERO Corporation
#6 - 2015-10-17 17:28:21 UTC
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
if they uncouple plex and aur people will just look to see what gets the most isk and buy that. Might get a slight decline in price as I assume people are lazy, and will probably just buy plex. Look at the difference between the multi-character training cert and PLEX. there is almost no difference, but the MPTC trades with far lower volume. Also there are so many skins and clothing items that trading in those would get rather complected and a pain in the arse fast. way, way easier to just buy a plex convert to aur and get the skins you want.

You can still buy aur and get the skins you want
Currently, PLEXes that were bought just to be converted to AUR don't ever hit market. With my suggestion, as I stated in the OP, any PLEX purchased will be either used for game time (I consider 2nd character actually more game time, because it's quite similar to 2nd account without multiboxing option) or sold.
Akrasjel Lanate
Lanate Industries
#7 - 2015-10-17 17:43:14 UTC
Break the link between PLEX and Aurum.

CEO of Lanate Industries

Citizen of Solitude

Deck Cadelanne
CAStabouts
#8 - 2015-10-17 18:16:26 UTC
This is really simple:

1. In game PLEX price is a function of the market. Straight supply v. demand. Seeing as the number of player accounts has dropped and PLEX price has gone up, this suggests a drop in supply more than anything.

2. Has the recent PLEX sale increased supply and driven down the in game PLEX price? Market says no as in game PLEX price still going up. So why aren't players with jobs spending cash for PLEX? Perhaps because they already have enough ISK to do what they want?

3. Declining number of player accounts is not caused by in game PLEX price. It is caused by a lot of things but not that.

If your friends were driven out of the game by the in game price of PLEX, they ought to consider getting jobs and just paying a sub. EVE is far more entertaining that way.

"When the going gets weird, the weird turn professional."

- Hunter S. Thompson

Calum Raholan
Sektor 17
#9 - 2015-10-17 18:45:02 UTC
Deck Cadelanne wrote:
This is really simple:

1. In game PLEX price is a function of the market. Straight supply v. demand. Seeing as the number of player accounts has dropped and PLEX price has gone up, this suggests a drop in supply more than anything.

2. Has the recent PLEX sale increased supply and driven down the in game PLEX price? Market says no as in game PLEX price still going up. So why aren't players with jobs spending cash for PLEX? Perhaps because they already have enough ISK to do what they want?

3. Declining number of player accounts is not caused by in game PLEX price. It is caused by a lot of things but not that.

If your friends were driven out of the game by the in game price of PLEX, they ought to consider getting jobs and just paying a sub. EVE is far more entertaining that way.


"Declining number of player accounts is not caused by in game PLEX price. It is caused by a lot of things but not that."

If you want a TLDR just skip to the last paragraph.

Oh come on you can't really believe that can you? I mean at least you accept is as a possibility from the following statement, but can we please look at this from the point of view of CCP as a business rather than the obligatory posts about get a job? I mean is it really going to help CCP in anyway by telling people to go get a job? We live in a day and age where there are people who genuinely lack the disposable income to subscribe to EVE Online while working and even though this will be a small minority shouldn't we at least take it in to account? It might just be the case that they are subscribed to one game as I know many gamers who limit themselves to this or it can get out of hand, should CCP be turning them away? We also have to remember that even though EVE has a mature player base, there is a younger community of gamer among us, many I know that have parents which disapprove of a subscription based model, should CCP be forgetting about them? The fact is that PLEX does allow a small portion of the player base to continue playing the game they love and at a time when CCP is literally having to ask us to play EVE as CCP Seagull did in one of the video updates if I am not mistaken. In my opinion something has to be done in order to prevent losing more of this ever shrinking playerbase.

Now lets take some facts into account shall we? Now I'm a British scrub so I'm not sure if this is just for us, but... Plex cost more than a subscription. Now can we think about this from CCP's point of view? CCP would, I assume, rather someone bought a plex and it was used rather than someone subscribing to the game for a month and then hitting cancel as many players do now the reoccurring payment system has been introduced. So in fact, its more beneficial to CCP if these players don't get a job and then purchase a plex off the market, removing it from circulation and allowing for its position as cheapest in the market to be taken by another plex which will then be sold and so on and so forth.

Now the counter argument to that is, well under your (referring to my) logic we should continue to let the prices rise as this will mean more people will want to buy and subsequently sell plex, which is absolutely correct to a certain extent. But we have to take into account this ISK price as only if the price is viable to the masses will plex continue to sell on the same scale. You must admit that two years ago it was relatively easy to plex off mining, by maybe putting in 24 hours a month making purchasing ingame plex a very viable option. It also would mean that for people wanting to sell plex, they would have to purchase more in order to get them same ISK value today. Now this is almost imposible on the same time scale as in 24 hours you would be extremely lucky if you made 800 Million, let alone 1.2 Billion as I last checked plex was sitting at.

Now I could keep arguing with myself all evening and keep offering counterarguments, but to me having a lower price of plex ingame, would retain more of the playerbase and even bring some of our lost members back. I know its against the sandbox and EVE in general, however I think a cap on plex prices is something that seriously needs to be considered rather than disconnecting it from Aurum. Now I'm not talking something drastic, but I think that 1 Billion would be an interesting mark to at least discuss among the community, preferably with out the obligatory get a job comments as plex > subscription for CCP going of British figures (£15 > £10)
malcovas Henderson
THoF
#10 - 2015-10-17 19:06:17 UTC
Every time I read a thread like this, I cannot help but to think "Self entitled fkwit"
Calum Raholan
Sektor 17
#11 - 2015-10-17 19:15:13 UTC
malcovas Henderson wrote:
Every time I read a thread like this, I cannot help but to think "Self entitled fkwit"


Then please make a constructive contribution to the discussion.
malcovas Henderson
THoF
#12 - 2015-10-17 19:19:40 UTC
Calum Raholan wrote:
malcovas Henderson wrote:
Every time I read a thread like this, I cannot help but to think "Self entitled fkwit"


Then please make a constructive contribution to the discussion.


I just did.
Calum Raholan
Sektor 17
#13 - 2015-10-17 19:46:41 UTC
malcovas Henderson wrote:
Calum Raholan wrote:
malcovas Henderson wrote:
Every time I read a thread like this, I cannot help but to think "Self entitled fkwit"


Then please make a constructive contribution to the discussion.


I just did.


Then please make a constructive contribution to CCP by at least stating your opinions on the subject matter originally stated in the first post of the thread instead of focusing on the individuals that are moving for these proposals.
malcovas Henderson
THoF
#14 - 2015-10-17 20:16:43 UTC
Calum Raholan wrote:
malcovas Henderson wrote:
Calum Raholan wrote:
malcovas Henderson wrote:
Every time I read a thread like this, I cannot help but to think "Self entitled fkwit"


Then please make a constructive contribution to the discussion.


I just did.


Then please make a constructive contribution to CCP by at least stating your opinions on the subject matter originally stated in the first post of the thread instead of focusing on the individuals that are moving for these proposals.



I would imaging calling someone complaining about the price of plex, "A self entitled fkwit", would point directly to the side of the fence I am sitting on, and my opinion of said "proposals"
ArmyOfMe
Teddybears.
Dead Terrorists
#15 - 2015-10-17 20:19:00 UTC
If you think plex prices are bad atm, just wait until that sp for isk comes into play, cause plex prices will skyrocket then.

GM Guard > I must ask you not to use the petition option like this again but i personally would finish the chicken sandwich first so it won´t go to waste. The spaghetti will keep and you can use it the next time you get hungry. Best regards.

Beta Maoye
#16 - 2015-10-17 20:49:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Beta Maoye
You cannot reduce price by controlling it. You have to create demand for isk that plex is used to buy. The ingame-price of plex is a bargain between demand for plex and demand for isk. High demand is created for plex for the usage in game time, multiple training and aur shop. On the other hand, now the demand for isk is low because of yet-to-complete space structures, yet-to-complete capital ship rebalance, yet-to-open new spaces. Unless sufficient demand for isk is created to balance the situation, ingame-price of plex will continue to rise without limit.

I think too high or too low a ingame-price of plex is not good for the game. The game needs enough percentage of dedicated gamers that use plex to maintain their accounts to keep the Eve space alive.
Algarion Getz
Aideron Corp
#17 - 2015-10-17 20:50:09 UTC
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:
Break the link between PLEX and Aurum.

This. PLEX stands for Pilot License Extension, yet it is used for buying SKINS, apparel, fanfest tickets, collectors edition, donations for charity, etc. In the future probably also for buying SP.

PLEX should be used for paying the subscription and nothing else. Active players is THE most important asset CCP has. CCP should not allow that useless cosmetic stuff and RL goods drive up the price of the most important item in the game.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#18 - 2015-10-17 20:55:46 UTC
Algarion Getz wrote:

PLEX should be used for paying the subscription and nothing else. Active players is THE most important asset CCP has. CCP should not allow that useless cosmetic stuff and RL goods drive up the price of the most important item in the game.
Are you one of my alts?

I was about to say pretty much exactly the same thing.

Mr Epeen Cool
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers
Already Replaced.
#19 - 2015-10-17 21:47:10 UTC
Rykuss wrote:
Here's a radical solution: Pay the sub.


might be too rad man or just subrad Rolllol
moep
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2015-10-17 22:46:48 UTC
Well, I am always asking myself why people think they have a given birth right to play EVE for free Question

I am not worried about players or alts dropping because they do not want to grind their plex anymore. Reduces server load and TIDI.

I am more concerned about the players not paying their sub fee or purchasing Plex for real money anymore.

So to answer your question: Plex price should increase, motivates the credit card and helps CCP.

Arrow But of course I am missing the point that all dropped plexers are so called content creators and the paying folks are sheeps.

Nevertheless, this is just my veteran-cattle point of view.

Over and out!
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