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[December] Navy EWar Frigates

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Bolur Freir
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2015-10-16 17:39:35 UTC
A scram kiting drone boat, that is super OP.
Nika NOisER
Y U SO BAD GIT GUD
VYDRA RELOLDED
#22 - 2015-10-16 17:40:18 UTC
pls, rename this game - "FrigoDestr Online"
Fifty Mullets
Enlightened Academy
#23 - 2015-10-16 17:41:28 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:

-85% penalty to ECM optimal range and falloff



What is the intended meaning of this line? Is it an 85% bonus to ECM range and falloff with a side of confusing double negative? Or is this ship going to have an effective ECM range of 6.45+7.2?
TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#24 - 2015-10-16 17:42:58 UTC
Fifty Mullets wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:

-85% penalty to ECM optimal range and falloff



What is the intended meaning of this line? Is it an 85% bonus to ECM range and falloff with a side of confusing double negative? Or is this ship going to have an effective ECM range of 6.45+7.2?


the latter
Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#25 - 2015-10-16 17:43:14 UTC
i don't really see the point of these ships at all, i mean what do they add too the game? .. its like saying lets add ecm too a merlin.. just whats the point? .. why not spend the time fixing T3 cruisers and dessies instead...

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using

Anthar Thebess
#26 - 2015-10-16 17:46:05 UTC
What about pirate versions ?
Cmon , pirate LP stores need some love.
Genghis Tron
Doomheim
#27 - 2015-10-16 17:46:18 UTC
I love me some ewar, but even I'm curious what need these ships fit... are there other things that could benefit attention? I would think so.. That Maulus needs a nerf right off the bat though. 5m3 drone bay to start.
Leisha Miranen
Doomheim
#28 - 2015-10-16 17:46:25 UTC
woooo new ship! Big smile
Hahnid
Long Range Relationship
#29 - 2015-10-16 17:48:20 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Let us know what you think!

That's what I think about the changes and ewar in general!

So why do Minnies get web range, but Amarr no neut range?
Years ago I thought of ewar something like this

T1 Ewar (use for tactical advantage):
Amarr - Tracking Disruption
Minmatar - Target Painting
Gallente - Sensor Dampening
Caldari - ECM (with no range bonus, less strength or less midslots)

T2 Ewar (use for disabling ships):
Amarr - Energy Neutralizer
Minmatar - Web (range)
Gallente - Scramble (range)
Caldari - ECM (range and strength)

Geddon has neutrange? Caldari has the Scorpion? What's with Minmatar and Gallente?
Dragoon has neutrange, too?

Does this make sense? Do you get what I try to imply? So many questions, I know Big smile
Guillame Herschel
Buffalo Soldiers
#30 - 2015-10-16 17:48:22 UTC
BLIFFINS!
Gilbaron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2015-10-16 17:52:33 UTC
vigil and maulus look cool

not sure about the crucifier, weapon disruption isn't really all that much of a thing. might change with the missile disruption (i assume the bonus applies to those aswell?)

good to see that the griffin comes with a built in nerf.

all in all, more ewar is not exactly what the game needs. i'd rather see ECM and damps fixed before the introduction of new specialised hulls.
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#32 - 2015-10-16 17:53:19 UTC
"I think I will take twelve Maulus Navy Issues, please."

Death to all Relic Ninja's!

Some exciting and interesting looking fits. Looks to be a good way to shake up the FW meta. Not that I am into that, but new ships which are accessible to younger players and offer an interesting approach seem like a good thing.

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2015-10-16 17:53:30 UTC
The ecm range is stupid and so is that Maulus - has the garmur taught you nothing?

Sigh.
Haatakan Reppola
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#34 - 2015-10-16 17:57:30 UTC
Heated web or scram is already higher range then optimal+falloff for the navy griffin >.< (around 50% chance to miss, not counting the chance to actualy jam the target)
Ransu Asanari
V0LTA
WE FORM V0LTA
#35 - 2015-10-16 17:59:50 UTC
ECM will still be bad. Can we have an EWAR rebalance soon please? Maybe before these ships go into the wild?

I like the missile damage bonus on the Vigil Navy. Please follow that damage pattern to all damage type bonused missile ships plz.

Scram kiting Navy Maulus already OP.
Hendrink Collie
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2015-10-16 17:59:58 UTC
afkalt wrote:
The ecm range is stupid and so is that Maulus - has the garmur taught you nothing?

Sigh.


What's stupid about the range? It can't project ECM very well past... what, 15km? Sad
Wolfe copying
Naked Industries.
#37 - 2015-10-16 18:00:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Wolfe copying
The Gallente Frig will be awesome. I think the Amarr Ewar frig will be under utiliized because it does less dps than the slicer and not as useful as a Sentinel.

edit: actually just noticed the small drone bay on the Navy Crucifier. It should be alright.
Mai Khumm
172.0.0.1
#38 - 2015-10-16 18:00:39 UTC
Maulus Navy is gonna be badass...
TJ Tadaruwa
Ignotis Imperium
Usurper.
#39 - 2015-10-16 18:03:10 UTC
Is there any particular reason why the Maulus Navy and the Vigil Fleet seem to be more like their T2 EAFs than the Crucifier Navy and the Sentinel.

Maulus Navy (point range + a random point strength outta nowhere)
Vigil Fleet (web range)
Crucifier Navy (you would think would have a neut/nos range bonus, if we're following the same trajectory here, no?)
Griffen Navy (who cares, cuz lol ECM)

Love,
-TJ
Ix Method
Doomheim
#40 - 2015-10-16 18:05:59 UTC
These are beautiful. I mean +1m to those saying kick ECM in the baws first like but still, these look hella fun.

Travelling at the speed of love.