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[news] Revival of Shathol'syn Ritual Confirmed as Tetrimon Order...

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Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#1 - 2015-10-16 14:50:01 UTC
As follows.

That said, the sequestering of the Heirs indicates that they are taking the matter of the integrity of the ritual quite seriously.

I suspect we'll start hearing about heirs-elect very soon indeed.

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Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#2 - 2015-10-16 15:43:42 UTC
The more important note here is that apparently the suppression edict on the Order of St. Tetrimon has been lifted. But years ago it was said that only the emperor could lift the edict, not the Privy or Theology Councils.

Did Her Imperial Majesty lift the edict? Why was this not announced sooner?
Silvox Lunae
Perkone
Caldari State
#3 - 2015-10-16 15:55:29 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:
The more important note here is that apparently the suppression edict on the Order of St. Tetrimon has been lifted. But years ago it was said that only the emperor could lift the edict, not the Privy or Theology Councils.

Did Her Imperial Majesty lift the edict? Why was this not announced sooner?


Pardon my limited understanding, but of what significance to the Amarr Empire is the Order of St. Tetrimon? It seems as though the Amarr has as many sects, chapters, monastic orders, and councils as Sukuuvestaa has subsidiary corporate affiliates and branches.
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#4 - 2015-10-16 16:19:17 UTC
Silvox Lunae wrote:
Samira Kernher wrote:
The more important note here is that apparently the suppression edict on the Order of St. Tetrimon has been lifted. But years ago it was said that only the emperor could lift the edict, not the Privy or Theology Councils.

Did Her Imperial Majesty lift the edict? Why was this not announced sooner?


Pardon my limited understanding, but of what significance to the Amarr Empire is the Order of St. Tetrimon? It seems as though the Amarr has as many sects, chapters, monastic orders, and councils as Sukuuvestaa has subsidiary corporate affiliates and branches.


The Tetrimon claim to have the True Scriptures, unaltered and unadulterated by politics.

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.

Vollhov
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2015-10-16 16:20:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Vollhov
Del.
Good luck to all. Cry

End of Time. I'm not fanatic, I'm just a servant by Her Majesty the Empress Jamyl Sarum I. It's time to leave this world to me. YC111 to YC117.12.10 20:00

Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#6 - 2015-10-16 19:59:23 UTC
What steps are they going to take to keep Khanid from just leaving this time?
Not that I don't agree with him that it seems silly to kill all the heirs who lose.
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#7 - 2015-10-16 20:10:31 UTC
Xindi Kraid wrote:
What steps are they going to take to keep Khanid from just leaving this time?
Not that I don't agree with him that it seems silly to kill all the heirs who lose.


I suspect the matter of 'how' will be left to the Order. However, I suspect one element of this affair is that the Heirs shall be guests of the Order until such a point as the trials are resolved.

As for killing the heirs, I suspect the major issue is that it prevents dynastic disputes, or at least reduces the likelihood as the conflict is not a personal matter between powerful lords.

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Vollhov
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2015-10-16 20:30:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Vollhov
Del.
Good luck to all. Cry

End of Time. I'm not fanatic, I'm just a servant by Her Majesty the Empress Jamyl Sarum I. It's time to leave this world to me. YC111 to YC117.12.10 20:00

Arrendis
TK Corp
#9 - 2015-10-17 01:34:12 UTC
Xindi Kraid wrote:
What steps are they going to take to keep Khanid from just leaving this time?
Not that I don't agree with him that it seems silly to kill all the heirs who lose.


That would be the 'the Heirs will be Sequestered' bit, where they're all locked away to await the tournament results so they can be ritually put to death when someone wins.
Alizebeth Amalath
Doomheim
#10 - 2015-10-17 06:29:43 UTC
I was not aware the practice had gone away that it needed to be revived. Still, I am happy to know that Shathol'Syn is being affirmed. Some might see it as brutal, but it is a important factor in keeping our Empire strong, united, and righteous.
Skyweir Kinnison
Doomheim
#11 - 2015-10-17 08:05:31 UTC
It's a shocking waste of talent that will be badly needed in the near future.

In a civilised society, it is perfectly possible for those who miss out on the highest office to behave - and even support the winner with their talents. I would have thought executing known, experienced leaders so that their untested progeny get promoted with a need to establish a new identity would lead to more likelihood of schism.

Humanity has won its battle. Liberty now has a country.

Utari Onzo
Escalated.
OnlyFleets.
#12 - 2015-10-17 08:15:58 UTC
Skyweir Kinnison wrote:
It's a shocking waste of talent that will be badly needed in the near future.

In a civilised society, it is perfectly possible for those who miss out on the highest office to behave - and even support the winner with their talents. I would have thought executing known, experienced leaders so that their untested progeny get promoted with a need to establish a new identity would lead to more likelihood of schism.


It's a means to ensure absolutrly that there are no power struggles after enthronement and has protected the Empire from thiusands of years worth of potential civil wars between the incumbant and the other heirs of their time. It's also a means of ensuring all the Houses are on the same footing regardless if the former Heir was a supporter or rival to the new Emperor. All must begin anew with a new Heir, including the incumbants own House as the Emperor joins the Emperor Family and leaves their House to their successor.

"Face the enemy as a solid wall For faith is your armor And through it, the enemy will find no breach Wrap your arms around the enemy For faith is your fire And with it, burn away his evil"

Vollhov
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2015-10-17 08:32:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Vollhov
Del.
Here there was a text. Cry

End of Time. I'm not fanatic, I'm just a servant by Her Majesty the Empress Jamyl Sarum I. It's time to leave this world to me. YC111 to YC117.12.10 20:00

Skyweir Kinnison
Doomheim
#14 - 2015-10-17 08:38:47 UTC
Utari Onzo wrote:
Skyweir Kinnison wrote:
It's a shocking waste of talent that will be badly needed in the near future.

In a civilised society, it is perfectly possible for those who miss out on the highest office to behave - and even support the winner with their talents. I would have thought executing known, experienced leaders so that their untested progeny get promoted with a need to establish a new identity would lead to more likelihood of schism.


It's a means to ensure absolutrly that there are no power struggles after enthronement and has protected the Empire from thiusands of years worth of potential civil wars between the incumbant and the other heirs of their time. It's also a means of ensuring all the Houses are on the same footing regardless if the former Heir was a supporter or rival to the new Emperor. All must begin anew with a new Heir, including the incumbants own House as the Emperor joins the Emperor Family and leaves their House to their successor.


Oh, I don't doubt its utility in the past. It just strikes me that the potential loss of warriors like King Khanid (as an example - each of the heirs has enormous talents in diverse areas) is ill-timed with the Drifter threat looming.

And to hand over that choice to pirates and heretics in a primitive death clash seems unworthy of the Empire of God. I would have thought a conclave of the leaders of the religious Orders, or even trillions of faithful True Amarr casting their vote after fasting and prayer would express the will of God far more convincingly, and be accepted as that will by the losing Heirs.

An Emperor chosen by the slip of an outlaw's overheat button, well, no wonder the other contenders might wish to challenge the outcome and thus have to be culled. No room for fixing the result there.

Humanity has won its battle. Liberty now has a country.

Alizebeth Amalath
Doomheim
#15 - 2015-10-17 09:00:15 UTC
Vollhov wrote:
Yes. This succession. Will die thousands of lives. Servants. Ship crews. And all for fun. What would determine who will be the next ruler.
And you say that the Minmatar barbarians,. It Amarr barbarians,. The chains of idiotic traditions.
She tried to start on the path of enlightenment but all in vain.
Amarr not save.

Careful with your words. Her Majesty accepted Shathol'Syn when she lost the trials the first time.
If you believe, as I do, that Her Majesty knew her time was coming to an end and that she would be called back to Paradise soon, then you should also have faith in Empress Jamyl I that she arranged for her succession.
Yes, some will die in the ships fighting in the trials, but their loss will not be in vain. We live our lives to the fullest and then accept the end that God ordains for us. The men and women on the ships will do so well, fighting for a cause they believe in.
The heirs knew their fates when they became heirs. Do not weep for them, admire their fealty to God and Empire.
Utari Onzo
Escalated.
OnlyFleets.
#16 - 2015-10-17 12:06:31 UTC
Skyweir Kinnison wrote:

Oh, I don't doubt its utility in the past. It just strikes me that the potential loss of warriors like King Khanid (as an example - each of the heirs has enormous talents in diverse areas) is ill-timed with the Drifter threat looming.

And to hand over that choice to pirates and heretics in a primitive death clash seems unworthy of the Empire of God. I would have thought a conclave of the leaders of the religious Orders, or even trillions of faithful True Amarr casting their vote after fasting and prayer would express the will of God far more convincingly, and be accepted as that will by the losing Heirs.

An Emperor chosen by the slip of an outlaw's overheat button, well, no wonder the other contenders might wish to challenge the outcome and thus have to be culled. No room for fixing the result there.


I'm sorry, but we don't exercise Democracy here. While that's the way you pick your leaders, it's not the way we pick ours.

Now, in regards to the slip of someone's overheat, the intention of modern trials is to show an Heir's skill in selecting the right champion. An Emperor is not going to go into battle at the forefront every time, while good for morale their main job is to command and lead, and that requires distance for better perspective. That is the lot of a leader, and it is up to each Heir to prove their worth to God by the pilots they choose.

In regards to heretics, that's going to be a mark against any Heir that so has picked one. We shall see if God delivers justice or judgement by way of blessings or curses upon that Heir's chosen champion. In regards to pirates, if you mean the pilots of Pandemic Legion, technically they're mercenaries and have been for some time. A number of them are actually quite zealous people, Ms Randolf herself spent time in vigil around the Empress' downed Avatar wreck along with a long history of service both in the militia and performing contracts within Amarr space. Some Heirs are a little more... Let's say flexible about their choices of course, but let us also note that there are no less then 4 PIE captains, and PIE as an organisation is counted among the most loyal of the Capsuleer corporations and alliances.

In the end, it will be down to the Champions to prove their Heir's worth in Gods eyes, and if He deems them worthy, He shall bring his blessings down upon His chosen victor. You might not like our style of selecting our new leader, but this is Our Empire.

"Face the enemy as a solid wall For faith is your armor And through it, the enemy will find no breach Wrap your arms around the enemy For faith is your fire And with it, burn away his evil"

Vollhov
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2015-10-17 12:08:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Vollhov
Del.
Here there was a text. Cry

End of Time. I'm not fanatic, I'm just a servant by Her Majesty the Empress Jamyl Sarum I. It's time to leave this world to me. YC111 to YC117.12.10 20:00

Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#18 - 2015-10-17 13:48:04 UTC
Alizebeth Amalath wrote:
Vollhov wrote:
Yes. This succession. Will die thousands of lives. Servants. Ship crews. And all for fun. What would determine who will be the next ruler.
And you say that the Minmatar barbarians,. It Amarr barbarians,. The chains of idiotic traditions.
She tried to start on the path of enlightenment but all in vain.
Amarr not save.

Careful with your words. Her Majesty accepted Shathol'Syn when she lost the trials the first time.
If you believe, as I do, that Her Majesty knew her time was coming to an end and that she would be called back to Paradise soon, then you should also have faith in Empress Jamyl I that she arranged for her succession.
Yes, some will die in the ships fighting in the trials, but their loss will not be in vain. We live our lives to the fullest and then accept the end that God ordains for us. The men and women on the ships will do so well, fighting for a cause they believe in.
The heirs knew their fates when they became heirs. Do not weep for them, admire their fealty to God and Empire.


Did she accept Shatol'syn? I mean, she was the same person when she came back no?

If Shatol'syn is Just 'suiciding' but still coming back after, then what is the point...?
Wendrika Hydreiga
#19 - 2015-10-17 14:04:52 UTC
In the Game of the Throne Worlds, either you win or you die!
Alizebeth Amalath
Doomheim
#20 - 2015-10-17 14:05:30 UTC
God resurrected her from the dead after she proved her faith and devotion to Him.
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