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Gallente L4 Mission Ship?
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Kitsune Ninetails
Perkone
Caldari State
#1 - 2015-10-14 22:36:07 UTC
So what is a good ship these days to run L4s for a hybrid/drones gallente character? Kronos?
Zerinia
Lom Corporation
#2 - 2015-10-15 00:12:09 UTC
Domi really. Not many use the kronos because of that therm dmg type lock.
chaosgrimm
Synth Tech
#3 - 2015-10-15 00:13:12 UTC
Kronos is okay. Blaster are viable on it which is nice.
Not the most ideal of marauders. Most of the time you can get away with 2 lows on your tank... But the base resists leave an explosive hole that needs plugged for content like AE bonus room if you choose to play it.

You might look into the vindi as well.

Of course, cross training minmatar for the mach or caldari for the rattlesnake might be a good idea if your going to PvE for awhile
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#4 - 2015-10-15 00:34:36 UTC
kronos is pretty good and what I would go with limited to gallente ships. can do massive damage with blasters, and can hot swap to rails in mission with a mobile depot. also the 1mn cooldown on MJDs is awesome.

domi is pretty much the other choice. it is a pretty good workhorse, but not a top of the line boat as far as I can tell.

pirate ships the mach or rattlesnake are what you would want to look at.

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Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#5 - 2015-10-15 01:01:06 UTC
The Vindi looks pretty fun actually, looking at it (never flown it but recently got into a vigilant). A bit tight on CPU in case you don't have max fitting skills but faction/dedspace hardeners are pretty cheap and use 20 less CPU each. The bonus webs are great though. You can use Gardes for close range stuff that gets within web range like frigs or cruisers and the rails actually have really good range too. I'd probably swap out the drones depending on the mission and of course mission specific hardeners. The initial investment in faction hardeners might be a couple 100 mill but you can leave em at the station so you wont be flying around with bling in cargo. If you really, REALLY had to you could drop a velocity rig for a CPU rig so you can use T2 damage mods.

Only thing I'm unsure about is the lack of lights. Webs + rails or sentries should be able to take them out and you can rescript the TC for tracking. Not something I have a lot of experience with. Might go with 4 sentries and a flight of lights initially and see if the webs work or not.

[Vindicator, Lv4s]
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Centus C-Type Large Armor Repairer
Imperial Navy Armor Kinetic Hardener
Imperial Navy Armor Explosive Hardener
Imperial Navy Armor Explosive Hardener

500MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800

425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L

Large Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II
Large Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II
Large Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II

Garde II x5

A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.2.3
Nad'x Hapax
Hapaxa
#6 - 2015-10-15 06:39:39 UTC
I never liked the Kronos for missions due to its limited Range with blasters or lowish dps with rails. Blasterkronos for damsel is as fin as pve gets though.

Also never did underand the MJD hype in missions. Sure for a true sniper but not for anything Else. MWD into tractor range (3 tractors) +salvage drones. Makes things way faster than mtu and mjd.
Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#7 - 2015-10-15 08:31:28 UTC
Nad'x Hapax wrote:
I never liked the Kronos for missions due to its limited Range with blasters or lowish dps with rails. Blasterkronos for damsel is as fin as pve gets though.

Also never did underand the MJD hype in missions. Sure for a true sniper but not for anything Else. MWD into tractor range (3 tractors) +salvage drones. Makes things way faster than mtu and mjd.


It mostly revolves around bastion use. Since your MJD and bastion now have the same cooldown you MJD, Bastion one cycle, murder a bunch of things and MJD again so you land on the Acc gate bastion up again and murder the rest of the things. You don't need any other prop mod if you have a MJD on a marauder because you can be anywhere within in a 200 km envelope within one minute.

That said it works better with the paladin(any) and vargur(Ac800) than the blaster kronos or the torp golem. Those still work, just not as well.

A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.2.3
Nad'x Hapax
Hapaxa
#8 - 2015-10-15 09:35:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Nad'x Hapax
Anize Oramara wrote:
Nad'x Hapax wrote:
I never liked the Kronos for missions due to its limited Range with blasters or lowish dps with rails. Blasterkronos for damsel is as fin as pve gets though.

Also never did underand the MJD hype in missions. Sure for a true sniper but not for anything Else. MWD into tractor range (3 tractors) +salvage drones. Makes things way faster than mtu and mjd.


It mostly revolves around bastion use. Since your MJD and bastion now have the same cooldown you MJD, Bastion one cycle, murder a bunch of things and MJD again so you land on the Acc gate bastion up again and murder the rest of the things. You don't need any other prop mod if you have a MJD on a marauder because you can be anywhere within in a 200 km envelope within one minute.

That said it works better with the paladin(any) and vargur(Ac800) than the blaster kronos or the torp golem. Those still work, just not as well.



I get that but for me, a marauder is the ultimate clear and salvage Boat. Fitting a mjd dont go well with that. Sure if u use a mtu but they are just waaay to slow
Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#9 - 2015-10-15 09:49:40 UTC
Nad'x Hapax wrote:
Anize Oramara wrote:
Nad'x Hapax wrote:
I never liked the Kronos for missions due to its limited Range with blasters or lowish dps with rails. Blasterkronos for damsel is as fin as pve gets though.

Also never did underand the MJD hype in missions. Sure for a true sniper but not for anything Else. MWD into tractor range (3 tractors) +salvage drones. Makes things way faster than mtu and mjd.


It mostly revolves around bastion use. Since your MJD and bastion now have the same cooldown you MJD, Bastion one cycle, murder a bunch of things and MJD again so you land on the Acc gate bastion up again and murder the rest of the things. You don't need any other prop mod if you have a MJD on a marauder because you can be anywhere within in a 200 km envelope within one minute.

That said it works better with the paladin(any) and vargur(Ac800) than the blaster kronos or the torp golem. Those still work, just not as well.



I get that but for me, a marauder is the ultimate clear and salvage Boat. Fitting a mjd dont go well with that. Sure if u use a mtu but they are just waaay to slow

Nah, I used to MTU + Vargur + salvage all the time. IIRC I had 2 tractors, the MTU, 1 salvager and 5 salvage drones. This combo seemed to work best. I'd use the tractors on anything within 54km and the MTU would grab what's left. The drones I'd send after wrecks that didn't have loot.

A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.2.3
chaosgrimm
Synth Tech
#10 - 2015-10-15 11:31:58 UTC  |  Edited by: chaosgrimm
Nad'x Hapax wrote:
Blasterkronos for damsel is as fin as pve gets though.

^ this. That void ammo xD.

Quote:

Also never did underand the MJD hype in missions. Sure for a true sniper but not for anything Else. MWD into tractor range (3 tractors) +salvage drones. Makes things way faster than mtu and mjd.

Esp when running missions for gallente, there are several missions where the mjd+mwd is very handy on a blaster kronos for jumping into the action or just getting into a better position.

For example:
Serpentis spies
Massive Attack
The blockade
Worlds collide
The score
The Assault
Bastion Arzi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2015-10-15 11:36:55 UTC
i hear the domi is very efficient
The Bigpuns
United Standings Improvement Agency
#12 - 2015-10-15 15:35:55 UTC
I don't think you can discount rails kronos that easily. Your still pulling ~1000 dps, but you also apply it well at range. Yes, dps is low compared to marauders using short range weapons, but it is still terribly easy. There are missions where blasters are infuriating, even with null. The rails out dps any the other lr weapon systems, and apply it well. And the damage lock is not as bad as the damage lock on the pally, whick only gets around it by incrediple dps at short range with conflag.

Fire away.
chaosgrimm
Synth Tech
#13 - 2015-10-15 17:42:35 UTC
The Bigpuns wrote:
I don't think you can discount rails kronos that easily. Your still pulling ~1000 dps, but you also apply it well at range. Yes, dps is low compared to marauders using short range weapons, but it is still terribly easy. There are missions where blasters are infuriating, even with null. The rails out dps any the other lr weapon systems, and apply it well. And the damage lock is not as bad as the damage lock on the pally, whick only gets around it by incrediple dps at short range with conflag.

Fire away.


I think the reason blasters come up so often with the kronos isn't necessarily because rails are bad, but because its a PvE hull where blasters are actually viable. Either choice will work out. I wanna say the point where they're even on the kronos is around 40km or so depending on the fit / implants, which is doable. Blaster get just enough range to not completely suck lol.

I typically use blasters when using a kronos, mostly because at short range, tractors and salvage drones are more effective, but def agree it can have some annoying range issues with blasters.
Rosal Milag
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2015-10-15 20:48:43 UTC
Don't discount the Hyperion. The rep bonus screams for PvE use. I would encourage using it in serpentis/gurista space over the other pirates, as rails are locked to kinetic/thermal damage and suffer reduced dps against all other pirate factions due to how EVE does resists.

A full 125 mbit bandwith allows for 5 sentries, rare on a t1 battleship.

High slots:
425 mm T2 rails
Heavy NOS/Drone Control Range/Rapid missile launcher (light or heavy) as you prefer

Mids:
Cap booster
MJD/MWD (depot in cargo)
Two targeting computers (range and tracking scripts in cargo)
Sensor booster/ECCM depending on Serpentis/Gurista

Lows:
Kinetic Hardener
Thermal Hardener
3 x Magnetic Stabilizers (have a spare EANM/Reactive armor hardener in cargo for high dps rooms)
Large Armor Repper
Damage control/drone damage amplifier/fitting mod/EANM/Signal Amplifier

Rigs:
If you have enough fitting space, go for 1 ancillary armor pump, 1 nano armor pump
Last rig should cover wherever you are lacking, targetting range, sensor strength, optimal range, or fitting space.

Add a little bling and this ship can easily handle 600 dps+ from serpentis/gurista. Engage at range and you will hardly have to cycle your armor rep.
Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2015-10-16 04:18:56 UTC
Dominix Navy Issue if limited in money then as above said Hyperion.

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Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#16 - 2015-10-16 06:44:08 UTC
Nad'x Hapax wrote:
I never liked the Kronos for missions due to its limited Range with blasters or lowish dps with rails. Blasterkronos for damsel is as fin as pve gets though.

Also never did underand the MJD hype in missions. Sure for a true sniper but not for anything Else. MWD into tractor range (3 tractors) +salvage drones. Makes things way faster than mtu and mjd.

there are a few missions with spawns at almost exactly 100km that you can MJD into and kill with void Bear

that's the MJD hype! although in most missions I do think an MJD is useless.

with a marauder I only loot/salvage what is convenient. loot/salvage prices are in the dumps, not worth the time to worry about.

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