Player Features and Ideas Discussion

All ganks now result in the death of one rookie ship and nothing else. All ships now ganked.

I like this, but I feel as if third parties would, instead of helping the unfortunate freighter pilot, quickly find a dock, get into a rookie ship and then hurriedly whore on the doomed vessel as it slowly died to a T1 frigate who though it would be hilarious. The attackers should definitely be open to be killed though, instead of passively disrupted.

The problem is, there is no problem.

Currently any ship flown in certain ways, is almost guaranteed safe passage through high sec. If you had actually read the threads, you would know this. The fact that many decide to fly ships solo and AFK, doesn't mean there is a problem that needs a change to game mechanics.

Your idea is laughably OP. So I will reserve judgement on whether I accept it, dependant upon Serendipity Lost's reaction.

Congratulations, you have made it possible to gank anything in High sec with just 1 ship. If you thought, Hyperdunking was bad, wait until someone ganks you without any interference with just 1 Catalyst. Even better, you would not need a bumper on grid anymore to keep the freighter from warping off, you could perma point it with that 1 Catalyst, and the bumper could start picking up the next target which you can kill with the very same Catalyst. You Sir deserve a medal for that.

I do not care one way or the other on this idea, some general thoughts and comments.
If this was to become a thing how do we determine intent? Coming out of gate cloak in very busy systems and even when un-docking I have bumped more than a few ships over the years and they were not done intentionally, would I get that suspect flag in these situations?
If not what criteria would be applied to determine if a suspect flag was to be issued?


How do you know that CCP cannot do this now?
Even if you are correct and looking at this from a purely technical aspect the data needed is already available since the game tracks the direction of travel, the speed or travel and whether or not we have bumped into something so making the determination of who got bumped and who was doing the bumping would be easy. The usual lag issues could become problematic here, but that would be the only reason why this could not be done.


The moment you activate an offensive module you have approximately 20 seconds to accomplish the task before Concord ends your party so how is this idea going to allow a single ship to gank a freighter. And since the ultimate end of all ganks is the loss of the gankers ships how would this idea allow them to use the same ship for more than one gank?
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Essentially the same thing applies to your thoughts as Rivr Luzade above. How is a single T1 frigate going to gank much of anything since this idea does not change the Concord response mechanic. Depending on fit a ship could in theory be taken down by a series of 1 small ship attacks over time but could that be done during the suspect flag duration? And even if it can this could easily be a balance factor built into the OP idea. One would have to decide if they were willing to take the risks of the suspect flag or deal with the gank in the more traditional ways.

Going absolutely tongue in cheek here.

If ShahFluffers likes this then it must be a really bad idea.

I do approve of this. Because now, any newly created character has enough SPs to fit a frigate with pvp fit. In cas it goes live, i'm just going to get an office in Niarja, stockpile it with full damage incursuses, creat alts, corp them, pick incursuses, blap all the autopiloting T1 industrial ships until -x SS (how much before being police aggroed in 0.5?), biomass and repeat.

Gankers already use 2 bump machariels these days. And what lock time do you look at? Sub 10 seconds? Because that is what you need to get a bumper stopped before it hits you. And then you still need 25-50 seconds to align and warp. And you need to do more trips through that system, exposing yourself more often to the risk and allowing the gankers to bring a second bumper or third bumper the next time you get through there.

Fixed? I do not see a fix.

Bumping takes way longer than it would take to lock a mach. Holding a freighter balloon in place until the wonk arrives would give the freighter sufficient time to web the bumper and get away. Sure he'd get a bump or two on you, but once webbed you would be free to warp off. I see no problem if a good crew can get the gank squad on grid before a freighter can get a lock and web off to safety. Elite play like that should be rewarded.

Again, if they bring more bumpers and you bring more freighters, then that's what is known as team play and it good for the game. The goal here isn't to prevent freighter ganking. It's to make it interesting and to give the freighter pilot something to do (other than watching as a 3rd person while his capital ship is being wafted around like a big beach ball).

I envision an 1800 dailiy freighter run from X to Y with 40 helpless freighters blobbing up and working together. I see swarms of wolves gathereing at 1730 getting ready for the 1800 run. I see the lone gazelle.... er obilisk trying to sneak through off hours.

Remember the WW2 movies with the squadron of flying fortresses working frantically working together to get to the bombing site, deliver their payload and make it back home? All the while the fighters were singling them out and bringing a few down? Epic!!

I should agree with it for historical reasons, but I could not force myself to do so. My only alternative was to inject an euqally horrible idea to expose the horror in the original.

Originally I was inclined to introduce my idea for a new form of neuting smartbomb that did not harm to a ship and only removed its available capacitor, but felt it was a bit 'edgy' for this thread. However, now that the cat is out of the bag I'll just roll out the idea so that all may rejoice. Give freighters a single high slot where a freighter only Neutbomb can be fitted. The Neut bomb will do not actual damage to ships, it will just remove half their on hand capacitor per cycle. By only taking half it would be balanced as it would never totally drain your capacitor. However the longer a mach is bumping you the less and less cap it will have available to run a prop mod to bump you. It would be further balanced by better ganking groups taking less time to show up for the party not exposing their bumping mach to the full wrath of the Nuetbomb. This module would have a range of about 30km, cycle time of 7 seconds and would not cause any kind of criminal flagging as it doesn't do real damage to any ships within it's radius.

This freighter only Nuetbomb has several self balancing features already built in so it should be simple and straightforward to code into the game.