EVE General Discussion

I did reply to this before but due to the "special" forums it got lost - someone amongst the webmonkeys at CCP needs to get a clue

Anyway its simple enough. If alliances can join then the weapons used must be available to all in FW.

By that I mean if you can use supercarriers or titans in low-sec then the means to build them (and all the benefits) must be available in low-sec. I wouldn't want to open that can of worms.

Alternatively you ban the use of supercarriers/titans in low-sec. Carrier fights are do-able for many in FW and in the overall scheme of things aren't too expensive. Supers/titans are a different ballgame.

Anything else and one side is bringing a knife to a gunfight.

Just wanted to recommend that everyone post their feedback about this in the appropriate thread - we have like 6 active threads atm containing FW feedback, lets keep the Alliance-specific commentary in the proper response thread, so CCP can see what you guys are saying front and center. I doubt they're going to comb every single FW thread in their attempt to elicit feedback from the community, assuming they are open to changing this issue before it hits Tranquility.

I have a video... somewhere.. oh, here it is. When you brought the caps and still lost anyway. Funny how they never really showed up after that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwTO5KT61G0

But that isn't my point. My point is its bad for everyone.

Wars are won with people, if you have enough willing people, who are active you win. Isk is a by product of activity. Frequent quality PvP would only come about if PvP had no risks, or something worth risking was under attack. In Null Sec moon goo can be a item worth risking right up until one side or another decides they have lost (before the fight actaully happens), and calls it off.

You won't get 'good fites', stop asking for them. Its the individual players decision if they will engage or not. CCP would have the best sandbox MMO ever if they could figure out how to get people to want to fight while keeping the "gritty, lose your isk and ships and time" aspect of losing. Since losing hurts, people will do ANYTHING to avoid it, including not fighting. Eliminating KMs would do a better job of prompting fights, since a 'poor' player would not be judged based on his record. Instead as for something worth fighting and losing ships over.


Including Alliances into FW provides targets, targets increase the odds of conflict, and that is what you want. if you are worried about high SP rich people in Low-sec. You already have them there. If you are worried about an organized group with assets being used against you its already here. If all they have is organisation, get organised.

If PvP on my terms is what you want, stick with the war dec mechanic, no ones making anyone join. if anything, that would be an even better way to fight larger groups, since the faction police give you a safer harbor to retreat to. All the doomsdays predictions, and people assuming why alliances would join yeesh.

I don't predict any doomsday scenario here, but the timing of this just doesnt make sense. Like you said, they would have the best MMO ever if they found ways to convince people to fight.

Currently, in Faction Warfare, there is no reason to fight than just for the hell of it. It basically is just one big wardec. Other than pew for the sake of pew, There is no incentive to encourage ongoing participation. It is no surprise that participation has dwindled since its initial release.

I'm sure CCP never intended FW to simply be a giant RP wardec, otherwise they wouldn't have taken the time to implement Faction missions, plexing, victory points, and the like. The problem is that all of those mechanical systems are broken and pointeless, so the only ones of us left are those that actively go out looking for fights just because we enjoy fighting against a common, known, enemy. Old grudges will NOT be enough incentive for new Alliances to stick around when they have more engaging or meaningful options elsewhere.

Increasing targets isn't enough. There have been numbers all along - whats lacking is the REASON to fight - and CCP is not addressing that first. Any participation increase will be temporary at best - and all that will happen is we'll have twice as many people on the forums here saying "Faction Warfare mechanics need some serious fixing".


All that said, I want to remind people once again that while this discussion is great, it belongs in this thread or everyone here risks not being heard or considered when it comes time to make a decision on this issue. CCP has asked us to keep our comments focused and in appropriate threads.

I'm sure the null sec alliances whom already hold most of the tech moons in FW space would appreciate this safety net feature to protect their gold farming.

Anyway on the topic of alliances joining FW I suspect few things things might happen..

First week, Random Null bear alliance will grind standings to join and will troll militia chats calling us space noobs trying to recruit us to their l33t PVP corps.

Second week, Random Null bear alliance will just farm LP because we all know they are just carebears anyway. Meanwhile their null bears member base will lose some fancy tengus with pretty loot droppings and smug FW guys that do something besides FW missions can point & laugh. The other 90% (FW mission farmers) will look at ship fit wondering if it will work better than their stealth bomber.

Third week, Random Null bear alliance gets kicked out of FW for standings losses due to remote repping each other while in 300 ship gangs wondering why they can't get GF.. or for using bubbles in null sec with stupid alliance buddies.

This is the real reason they're adding alliances to FW. Come on CCP stop bending over to 0.0 space coalitions. This is why we need to better representation in the CSM. Tired of these Lull sec guys shoving their horrible and mind numbing play style down our collective throats.