EVE General Discussion

Corpmembers attacking corpmembers is legal (unless you turn off the little switch in the corporate management settings).

Because it is legal to attack corpmates, no one gets a "limited engagement" timer... merely a "weapons timer" (which is something very different).

As for the Guardian... it inherits any offensive timers from the person it is repairing. Because there was no limited engagement timer, the Guardian did not become a "suspect."


As far as the "exploityness" of this...

- these mechanics are a direct result of people wanting to have neutral or out-of-corporation/alliance logistics join fleets and not be penalized for repping the multi-corp/alliance fleet.
- take away this ability and you nerf Incursions and allied high-sec fleets.
- any mechanic you create will never be perfect as someone will find a way to break the "spirit" of it. Remember, mechanics are rules. Rules cannot decern intent.
- You are in EVE. You got whacked. Get up, dust yourself off, keep going. It only gets WORSE from here.

I think they are controversial really, not worse.

As others have said, just tell your ceo to flip a switch, it's no one's fault but his own if you don't know the game well enough.

Also, i do love how some people default to "what happened was bad for me and made me mad, therefore it's killing the game for everyone" No it's not, it's just you lol.

All other parts aside, such as the turning friendly fire illegal, it still is an issue if a remote assist in a friendly fire situation does not get a combat flag. Suspect flag is overkill, but corpies should be able to shoot at non corpie reppers?

I saw incursions brought up, but same deal, eve is harsh. You in incursions and somebody has friendly fire on, flags to another corpmate and as such, logis dies. That is eve. Blacklist that corp and done.

No matter how hard CCP tries there is no way to balance terrible players.

The problem is, from a design perspective, is that fixing it to make it work how you'd expect it to work requires that they make it so corp members shooting each other causes a limited engagement.

You get your suspect neutral, but that would also have undesirable consequences.

Alternatively they could code an elaborate special case for it, however that would undermine the primary design goal of the current flagging system (elimination of special cases and less overall complexity).

This is all an unfortunate artifact of the system being designed by the former CCP Greyscale a notoriously incompetent developer who unrepentantly didn't give a crap about the gameplay that would result from the changes and throughout the development process disregarded player criticism that it was oversimplified and wouldn't result in good gameplay in highsec.

But hey its just another item on the list of things in the game that guy took a dump on. Thank Christ he left for Riot, better them than us.

It was required... at least according to the dev team when the new system changes occured. According to CCP at the time, they said the old flagging system was so convoluted, complex and intertwined with everything, that it made development work just a big haze. Changing one thing would break something else completely unrelated.

The simplicity of suspect, and criminal is quite nice though, until I heard this part, I thought that while simplistic in nature, criminal/suspect flagging was quite effective. Also helped bring the law into the players hands. Just not really used.

So for this issue, what is it in the mechanics that allows corpies to shoot eachother. Is it just a flag of some sort that hides underneath? Can they put that status and timer hidden into each player so the same connection that allows friendly fire occurs if somebody offers remote support to a non corp person?

I think that would be the best approach. Just copy the corp trigger, and make it indirectly connected.

Never really thought about it under these circumstances but it does sound like a rather whacked out mechanic that could surely drive the newbs away. The friendly fire switch is great but to have to turn it on because of this lopsided mechanic would suck. Fixing it so that the repping neutral turns suspect seems like a pretty simple rep and only hurts those afraid of real pvp. Would love to see this changed in the future. As for those of you who pvp this way please don't cry and just come and join us in nulsec and we'll show you how real men do it.

Orbit the FC, target what he tells you to and press F1?

Yea but like, then that would put the responsibility for handling the issue properly on me.

Unacceptable.

As proven multiple times by OP, CCP needs to entervene and fix this obvious issue before more if not all people are driven from the game by others with no self-control/human decency.