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motie one

Secret Passage

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#1 - 2015-10-07 10:51:04 UTC | Edited by: motie one

There has been much discussion on the Nestor, and why and why It cannot have a covert Ops cloak, and the point is often raised that it wouldn't be a fair thing to add until Blops were rebalanced.

That is fair, but It makes the Nestor have a very limited role in wormhole space.

If we accept this, and ignore trying to suggest this should be balanced for wormholes, another role comes to mind.

Let it be a black ops.

Not a normal black ops, one with a special feature and a special limitation.

The special feature is that it is skill friendly, allowing players to access the role of black ops without battleship V, spacship command V etc, and will only need the jump skills trained if they wish to do that role, Can fit Sisters portal generators with lighter skill requirements.

The special limitation is that the sisters black Ops Portal generator can only Bridge Sisters Ships and light industrials. Possibly a role for a sisters mini freighter?

NOW you have an expedition battleship worthy of the name.

The Sisters Brand, can work across a whole range of ships where one wishes them to act as a gateway product to steer people into trying new things.

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Nevyn Auscent Broke Sauce Likes received: 4,077	#2 - 2015-10-07 10:58:10 UTC 1 It's just people being terrified of Battleships worth flying

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Lugh Crow-Slave Likes received: 3,997	#3 - 2015-10-07 11:19:47 UTC 3 What do you mean it only has a limited role? And there are plenty of battle ships worth flying. What we are a afraid of is a powerful logistics ship that can jump if with a blops fleet BLOPS Hauler The 16.8km Bubble

Samillian

Angry Mustellid

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#4 - 2015-10-07 11:38:13 UTC | Edited by: Samillian

Nevyn Auscent wrote:

It's just people being terrified of Battleships worth flying

That is honestly one of the most naive statements I've seen in a while. The killboards are littered with Blops, Marauders and faction BS used in both PvP and PvE roles so if there is one thing people aren't afraid of its flying BS of worth.

An example of what you can do with a Golem.

One of the balancing factors of Blops is that logistics for it is problematic. Currently if anyone bothers then T3s fill the logi role with good rep but very limited range. If Nestors could jump like Blops you would be putting the equivalent of three Guardians of rep per hull with a solid BS tank and good drone damage on field almost instantly to either covert or standard cynos because Blops can jump to both. It would not only be a problem with Blops gangs but also standard gangs, especially considering the training to be effective in a Nestor is noticeably lower than that required for a rep carrier.

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Serendipity Lost

Repo Industries

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#5 - 2015-10-07 11:55:39 UTC

Samillian wrote:

Nevyn Auscent wrote:

It's just people being terrified of Battleships worth flying

That is honestly one of the most naive statements I've seen in a while. The killboards are littered with Blops, Marauders and faction BS used in both PvE and PvE roles so if there is one thing people aren't afraid of its flying BS of worth.

An example of what you can do with a Golem.

One of the balancing factors of Blops is that logistics for it is problematic. Currently if anyone bothers then T3s fill the logi role with good rep but very limited range. If Nestors could jump like Blops you would be putting the equivalent of three Guardians of rep per hull with a solid BS tank and good drone damage on field almost instantly to either covert or standard cynos because Blops can jump to both. It would not only be a problem with Blops gangs but also standard gangs, especially considering the training to be effective in a Nestor is noticeably lower than that required for a rep carrier.

You and Lugh nailed it. There really isn't much more to say. Too much rep -would dramatically boost the survivability of BLOPS fleets. They would go from niche cloaky gank force to FOTM. I just started building BLOPs just in case this lunacy goes through. Insane price spike to say the least.

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FireFrenzy Cynosural Samurai Likes received: 698	#6 - 2015-10-07 12:08:56 UTC 3 Nestors are HELLA OP as is... I once took 3 spidertanked nestors and conquered combat site one versus ALL OF SINGULARITY until they dropped 4 dreads per nestor because they couldnt break our tank... Get a few guys who are good at spider tanking, ignore all incoming dps, and kill everything that moves with sentries/heavies/geckos/etc

Rivr Luzade

Coreli Corporation

Pandemic Legion

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#7 - 2015-10-07 12:55:52 UTC | Edited by: Rivr Luzade

FireFrenzy wrote:

Nestors are HELLA OP as is...

I once took 3 spidertanked nestors and conquered combat site one versus ALL OF SINGULARITY until they dropped 4 dreads per nestor because they couldnt break our tank...

Get a few guys who are good at spider tanking, ignore all incoming dps, and kill everything that moves with sentries/heavies/geckos/etc

But this is what he means. It's too niche, not suitable for the masses, requires skill and coordination. Roll

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Illusion of Solitude. Illusion of Solitude 1,840
epicurus ataraxia Illusion of Solitude. Illusion of Solitude Likes received: 1,840	#8 - 2015-10-07 15:41:10 UTC 1 I never cease to be amazed how people read one word in a sentence, and then go off on their personal crusade, Ignoring the entire post. Never mind, The Idea is out there for CCP to read. Don't let me stop you going off on a different track. I have stopped reading now. There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE

motie one

Secret Passage

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#9 - 2015-10-07 15:45:00 UTC

epicurus ataraxia wrote:

I never cease to be amazed how people read one word in a sentence, and then go off on their personal crusade, Ignoring the entire post.

Never mind, The Idea is out there for CCP to read.

Don't let me stop you going off on a different track.

I have stopped reading now.

I was wondering about that too.

Thought I must have been posting in an ancient language or something, and it got lost in translation.

Serendipity Lost

Repo Industries

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#10 - 2015-10-07 15:47:18 UTC

epicurus ataraxia wrote:

Hey.... where did the ball go? How are we going to play without a ball?

In other news: I never cease to be amazed how people come up with an idea, don't realize the far reaching bad effects that it would have on the game and then get pissed, take their ball and go home when folks point out the issues.

(I know you're still reading this)

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Celthric Kanerian Viziam Amarr Empire Likes received: 853	#11 - 2015-10-07 19:17:38 UTC Nevyn Auscent wrote: It's just people being terrified of Battleships worth flying Except the Nestor is a over expensive piece of crap that fills no role whatsoever.

epicurus ataraxia

Illusion of Solitude.

Illusion of Solitude

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#12 - 2015-10-07 22:27:58 UTC

Serendipity Lost wrote:

epicurus ataraxia wrote:

It wasn't my original post, or idea, but you are right, I was still reading :)

There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE

Lugh Crow-Slave

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#13 - 2015-10-07 22:34:55 UTC

motie one wrote:

epicurus ataraxia wrote:

I was wondering about that too.

Thought I must have been posting in an ancient language or something, and it got lost in translation.

what part did we missyou want it to be a blops that can only bridge SOE this would still let it jump in with a regular blops gang just not bridge it

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble

Reaver Glitterstim

The Scope

Gallente Federation

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#14 - 2015-10-08 00:03:27 UTC

motie one wrote:

There has been much discussion on the Nestor, and why and why It cannot have a covert Ops cloak, and the point is often raised that it wouldn't be a fair thing to add until Blops were rebalanced.

The point is often raised that Black Ops don't need or even have use for a covert ops cloak in their line of work, but the Fix Black Ops crowd won't listen.

I have no problem with giving the Nestor covert ops capability. It would be interesting to see just one battleship that can do it, and it could add some color to the growing variety in existing covert ops fleets. Part of me wants to see covert ops logistics and interdictors--though of course these would need to operate at some disadvantage.

It should be made clear, however, that the covert ops cloak would not assist with the Nestor's role as a black ops ship, but would instead enable it to perform alternate roles when it isn't being a black ops. This sort of flexibility is great for any ship, but it won't make it a better black ops for general black ops usage.

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Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."

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MicDeath Titan No Mans Corp Likes received: 128	#15 - 2015-10-08 08:23:23 UTC Dunno about you, but I think it is a good ship. For Shattered WH's anyway. http://i.imgur.com/oPR9dDJ.png