Intergalactic Summit

That man says things oddly sometimes. Better to not use him as a pronunciation reference.

I was only noting the exact aesthetic and dimensional similarities between a Gecko and a Dragonfly when they are fully assembled.

If so, the ability to turn a manned fighter that requires 4,000m3 of shipboard space that can only be deployed by a large capital ship like a carrier to into an unmanned superheavy drone that only requires 50m3 of shipboard space so that it can be deployed by a sub-capital vessel does not to me disqualify my statement that it appears the Guristas were able to redesign the Dragonfly with new technology and capabilities as displayed in the Gecko.

Pedantry over specific terminology aside, I suppose I should have been more specific in my conjecture. I believe Lai Dai in conjunction with Carthum Conglomerate may have potentially developed new technology related to fighter or fighter-bomber design and the Guristas were able to get their hands on these prototypes. And that the Antero was stolen not because of some propaganda of the deed type stunt, or for the value in the hull itself, but because it was being specifically refitted with the command and control architecture for those prototypes.

Is it a leap of suppositions? Yes, quite so, but in a discussion that has already entertained conspiracies of false-flag attacks and the like I thought well, why not, it's just the fun and games of speculation after all.

You can speculate anything you want on the event, really. Maybe it's just as simple as an ambitious Wiyrkomi executive seeking to shame their superior into taking the tea for their failure, or just incompetence. And that the theft of the Antero and the attack on LD-75 remain both isolated incidents without a causal connection.

I think it's not terribly out of character for professional thieves to thieve something?

I don't know about you, but I'm exceedingly happy when I share the killmail on a carrier - to actually get one as loot?

It's not all that mundane a prize.

Why?

Because it was there.

Don't undock what you can't afford to lose.

I like how the party line in the State is that Wiyrkomi security was just that bad.

It's like you can't wrap your head around the concept of the Guristas being just that good.

It's kinda adorable. Keep it up.

Once they had control of the ship, stopping the escape would've been difficult at best. Given the fairly low utility for Heavy Interdictors in State-controlled space, I highly doubt any megacorp maintains even an average of one on standby in each station they own. I may well have more Onyxes in my hangar in YA0 than Wiyrkomi maintains in that constellation. Without a HIC immediately available, about the only way to have prevented the Antero from escaping would have been cynoing in a ghostrider to the State's beacon in-system and hoping it got into warp quickly enough.

Oh, agreed. And really, any time a supercapital's in refit, I'd expect Heavy Interdictors on-post at all times. It's a particularly vulnerable situation for the ship being refit - especially if for some insane reason, it's not inside a tower's forcefield - and let's face it, there's plenty of people willing to come into lowsec with their own supercapitals to kill it. The only way to pin down those potential hostiles... is those HICs.

But before that point, you're looking at a social hack. The systems didn't fail here - assuming they did just shifts responsibility for the failure off to the people who designed the procedures or the electronic safety measures. Both of those should have had redundancies. The simplest solution to this problem is to find someone willing to be compromised for the right amount of ISK and favors.

And for the smart pirate, that person was probably handed an escape clause. Like being on the carrier. And they probably didn't live past the first jump.

You make a lot of sense here and I think your assessment of how this heist occurred is probably on the money. The problem is that there's a tendency to romanticise the Gurista in certain parts of Caldari society and their reputation of being "Like us only a little looser around the edges" can be quite attractive to those who are experiencing a roadblock in their career or unfilled aspects of their social lives.

It happens.

Still, just because the electronic systems can't be blamed doesn't mean there isn't SOMEONE at SOME level who didn't **** up. There's a supervisor or a manager or an executive who didn't notice this tyuii had gone rotten. There's a subordinate who wasn't watching his superior or a peer who hasn't been norming his workmates. The only question remains - was it a systemic failure, a failure of the system as a whole or was it a failure of an individual or a group of individuals to adhere to the procedures that are meant to watch out for such things?

You're probably right when you say that it was a number of individuals who were compromised - and that they probably fled from Wiyrkomi with the Gurista and that, most likely, most of them are already exploring new opportunities in the field of 'frozen space debris'.

Iguana? Really? I think the Komodo would've been a far better name.

Though, again, if Rabbit wants a supercarrier to redesign, I'm sure we could be convinced to provide the base hull and copies of the blueprints, in exchange for reciprocation when the project reaches the production stage. Or perhaps a single BPO. Theta could likely be convinced to temporarily scale back pirate-hunting activities in Deklein for that.