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What would you do with forty thousand slaves?

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Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
#21 - 2015-10-06 08:46:12 UTC
A rather simplified, practically childish scenario - or at least the question is asked in such a way.

What are the circumstances of acquiring these slaves? Through a trade or rather gift, having salvaged them as loot on a derelict spacecraft, having acquired them planetside?

What is the demographic composition of these slaves? Education? What kind of jobs are they viable for?

Before doing anything with them, a proper census and segregation of them would be the only sane option. Background checks too, if possible; those people came from somewhere after all. Then, consider what best to do with them, given the results.

Proper branding and assortment of merchandise will allow for much better value then just selling it unmarked, in bulk.
  • Leopold Caine, Domination Malakim

Angels are never far...

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Jade Blackwind
#22 - 2015-10-06 08:49:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Jade Blackwind
Elmund Egivand wrote:
I will not take in any slaves of the second-generation or up, because frankly, I do not have the facilities to re-educate or rehabilitate them. First generation slaves, namely, slaves who were once free-men abducted by maleficent organisations or sold by their families or communities (yes, things like this still happen, especially in border regions or the seedier parts of high-sec) know what freedom is and, with some work, can be rehabilitated without too much deep-seated psychological effects. However, second generation slaves onwards are hard to work with. First, they don't even know what freedom is, and have a hard time adjusting to the notion of 'doing things for your own sake'. Not to mention they are deeply indoctrinated to be slaves. It takes alot of time and effort to erase this programming.
If you leave their religion and acquired habits alone and treat them well, up to 30% of 2nd gen and up still can make decent employees (If we filter out the extreme cases, those who are utterly broken, zealot converts, Vitoc victims, etc.). Though, of course, I probably won't risk going against an Imperial fleet with a crew full of them. But even there are exceptions: for example, when planetside, I routinely trust my life to a 9th generation freedman who has a pedigree like some sort of a slaver hound and doesn't even want to have a clue what a "freedom" is (in Minmatar sense of the word; he's technically free for, like, a decade).

On the other hand, the liberated freeborn - who have no homes to return to - do indeed make most loyal volunteers, if sometimes too bloodthirsty.
Yarosara Ruil
#23 - 2015-10-06 09:24:03 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
Isn't slavery illegal in the State?


Illegal assets are to be destroyed immediately upon being adquired. No exceptions.

The irony of an outlaw like you being concerned with legal procedures isn't lost on me.
Arkoth 24
Doomheim
#24 - 2015-10-06 09:28:44 UTC
Every single subject should be examined and tested, and every single life should find it's purpose for Necris Collective based on it's personal abilities. Varying from new Nanoblack hosts to biomass reprocessing.
Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
#25 - 2015-10-06 11:16:58 UTC
Long have I preached what one must do with slaves. Long have I been ignored.

O God, when will you bring your Judgement upon a wicked and disbelieving generation?
Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
#26 - 2015-10-06 11:27:33 UTC
Arkoth 24 wrote:
...Necris Collective based on it's personal abilities. Varying from new Nanoblack hosts to biomass reprocessing.


Did Sansha's Nation pull a rebranding PR stunt recently that I'm unaware of?
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Yarosara Ruil
#27 - 2015-10-06 11:32:21 UTC
Leopold Caine wrote:
Did Sansha's Nation pull a rebranding PR stunt recently that I'm unaware of?


Judging by their covert presence in this communication feed, are you really that surprised?

This whole topic could very well be a screening test to recruit potential True Citizens. That prospect alone disgusts me.
Arkoth 24
Doomheim
#28 - 2015-10-06 11:38:00 UTC
Leopold Caine wrote:
Did Sansha's Nation pull a rebranding PR stunt recently that I'm unaware of?

Speaking in your terms, Sansha should be judged for plagiarism first - not only for mass slavery.
Jennifer Starfall
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#29 - 2015-10-06 12:13:58 UTC
A simplistic question, yes, challenging questions, none the less. I'm sure we all feel the tug in multiple directions, like flying through a complex gravitational system. Our emotions demand one response, the ethics and mores of our parental society another. Even peer pressure within capsuleer society has its own influences.

But that all ignores one very important fact: they are people. And, as people, they have the gift of choosing their own fates. Who are we, who struggle to see our own paths clearly, to choose the paths of others?

And, as such I would grace them with the kindness that has been shown to me: I would get them what healing I could, both of the mind and body, likely with the help of those such as Dr. Scherezad or the intake staff of the Aurora Arcology. I'd have removed any TCMCs, if any were suffering under such vile devices, or at least neutralize their influence as much as possible.

Then, rested and healed after a fashion, in the best position possible, I would let them choose their fates. For those who desire employment by capsuleers and its allure, there are a myriad of options. Some may remember loved ones and wish to return to them. Others may see this as a second chance and wish to just return to the anonymity of baseliner life. There will even be those form whom the choice holds fear, and they only wish to return to the safety of their master's care. There may even be some choose to exercise their choice to end it all.

All of them, their fates to choose, once their minds and bodies are sound. Forty thousand luminous particles bursting forth to track their paths through the cosmos.

Jennifer Starfall

Fifth Seyllin Conference

Anyanka Funk
Doomheim
#30 - 2015-10-06 13:25:20 UTC
Valerie Valate wrote:
Jade Blackwind wrote:
What would you do with forty thousand slaves?


I would stage a spectacular interpretive dance disco opera.

AMARR ! The Musical !


And none of you could stop me ! Wahahahahahahahaaaaa !

This will be arranged.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#31 - 2015-10-06 15:27:20 UTC
Yarosara Ruil wrote:
Arrendis wrote:
Isn't slavery illegal in the State?


Illegal assets are to be destroyed immediately upon being adquired. No exceptions.

The irony of an outlaw like you being concerned with legal procedures isn't lost on me.


Actually, I'm in quite good standing with both the State, and CONCORD. You'll find that a very large number of the inhabitants of Null are. As far as the State is concerned, I am a law-abiding individual - I'm simply often in places where the State's law doesn't apply. But then, you are the one who's hung up on labels, aren't you?

Like 'assets'. Those are people, and as such, have a certain basic status that preempts the 'illegal assets are to be destroyed immediately' when acquired (since you hate the craft of wordsmithing). The illegality is in their status as slaves. So if that is to be destroyed immediately upon acquisition, then you're agreeing that they must be freed. Immediately.

Congratulations, welcome to the civilized sections of The Forge and the Citadel, do be sure not to visit Pure Blind, though. I get the feeling you wouldn't like having to obey the law.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#32 - 2015-10-06 15:30:20 UTC
I'd give 'em all to the Aurora Arcology. I'm really not qualified to judge the needs of 40,000 individuals or process them. The Arcology, however, is a shining beacon of civilisation in a cluster that is generally too focused on the bottom line.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Yarosara Ruil
#33 - 2015-10-06 16:14:37 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
Like 'assets'. Those are people, and as such, have a certain basic status that preempts the 'illegal assets are to be destroyed immediately' when acquired (since you hate the craft of wordsmithing). The illegality is in their status as slaves. So if that is to be destroyed immediately upon acquisition, then you're agreeing that they must be freed. Immediately.


Spoken like a true master of Imperium propaganda. Ser Arrendis, do you ever get dizzy with all that word spinning?

I said my piece clearly. Handle them to a certified holder, or dispose them by execution. No middle ground, no compromise, just efficiency. If you expect any other reaction from me, you will find I am not so easily baited.

And I am not going to apologise for my non-functioning spellchecker.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#34 - 2015-10-06 16:43:33 UTC
Yarosara Ruil wrote:
I said my piece clearly. Handle them to a certified holder, or dispose them by execution. No middle ground, no compromise, just efficiency. If you expect any other reaction from me, you will find I am not so easily baited.


Baited? I'm not baiting you, little Major, I'm pointing out that both of your options are illegal within the State, violations of the laws you profess to uphold. They would, in fact, make you more of an outlaw than most of the Imperium.
Sahriah BloodStone
No.Mercy
Triumvirate.
#35 - 2015-10-06 17:28:47 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:
You can't just give them one million ISK each and expect them to thrive. More likely they will be cheated off all that money or be poached by somebody else and nothing is solved.


Nope. I don't expect them all to thrive. But I do expect that a million ISK, dirtside, will buy them a lot of room for error - and that's a hell of a lot more than I can give them.


More likely it would simply lead to a lot of 'missing' people.

Simply giving them a wealth that they haven't earned and freeing them, so one can rest easy on the conscience, is a ineffective and lazy approach.

I would put them to work and let those with a will to improve their lives do so. If they want their freedom, they can earn it.

As Capsuleers, we do not need to worry about manpower or time. Anyone with even the slightest will can have large amounts of people processed relatively quickly as there are plenty of agencies to outsource that work to. One simply requires vision.

That said, Ms. Valate's 40,000 man interpretive dance disco opera sounds good too.

Sahriah Bloodstone

No.Mercy // Triumvirate

"Never underestimate your enemy or disrespect its abilities. If you do, you shall become the hunted "

Arrendis
TK Corp
#36 - 2015-10-06 18:06:02 UTC
Sahriah BloodStone wrote:
Simply giving them a wealth that they haven't earned and freeing them, so one can rest easy on the conscience, is a ineffective and lazy approach.


Who said anything about my conscience? My options are pretty simple: I can give them my money. I can't give them my time. Ain't got more than a few moments to spare, here and there.

Quote:
If they want their freedom, they can earn it.


Neither you, nor anyone else, have the right to take it from them in the first place. They've earned it by simply being alive.

Quote:

As Capsuleers, we do not need to worry about manpower or time. Anyone with even the slightest will can have large amounts of people processed relatively quickly as there are plenty of agencies to outsource that work to. One simply requires vision.


Really, you must tell me how you manage to cram more seconds in a day. It's funny, everyone seems to think capsuleers have all the time they could ever need. Maybe you do, I don't know. Maybe we all do, in the long term. But our hypothetical slaves don't need attention 'in the long term', they need attention now, and now, I have about 26 hrs of work to get done every day. Yes, I delegate what I can. What I can't, though, I need to devote my attention to, because nobody else is both (a) in a position to do so, and (b) possessed of the capabilities to do so at the level it requires. And since the work has to get done, or people die... well, the work has to get done.

So again: you simply must tell me how you manage to get more seconds in a day. Because when you're talking about getting other people to do the processing for you? You're still just throwing money at it, and not doing a damned thing yourself. At least I'm being honest about it. Would it sit better with you if I'd said 'pay someone a million ISK a head to process them and get them settled somewhere'? Because that isn't just begging for some corrupt little bastard to line his pockets without taking care of them at all, right?
Yarosara Ruil
#37 - 2015-10-06 18:27:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Yarosara Ruil
Arrendis wrote:
Baited? I'm not baiting you, little Major, I'm pointing out that both of your options are illegal within the State, violations of the laws you profess to uphold. They would, in fact, make you more of an outlaw than most of the Imperium.


I am not going to play this game with you, nor waste my time explaining a Sebiestor savage the protocol of Caldari military.

Unlike Strike Commander Kim, I have low tolerance towards unsufferable dunces and their long winded debates.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#38 - 2015-10-06 18:45:45 UTC
Yarosara Ruil wrote:
Unlike Strike Commander Kim, I have low tolerance towards unsufferable dunces and their long winded debates.


Cadet Major (because really, I can't imagine you're any higher in the food chain than that, given your inability to deal with the incredibly minor adversity of someone pointing out your errors on the IGS), I promise you, this has not been at all long-winded.

And the word is insufferable. Go on all you like about 'non-functioning spellcheckers', but you're the one who picked that fight, my dear.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#39 - 2015-10-06 19:10:04 UTC
Seeing as how I have no knowledge of how to deal with the issues they would be facing, I would pass them to people who actually can, namely a few groups in the republic. If they chose to go back to wherever they came from, I would make arrangements for that too. I'm not going to force them to do anything, they've been through enough and if they feel at home in the empire well....... I'm not going to force them out of it I guess...


Yarosara Ruil wrote:
I would either return then to a reliable holder, or execute them on the spot in order to prevent said slaves from forming any possible future association with the Federation and their allies.

These are the only valid options.


Under that same logic, maybe I should start executing the few Caldari POWs I get. After all they're just property of mine until I dock up and have them processed for either return to the state or prison. People like you don't see them as what they are so why should I? Oh ya, I have a conscience... That and the few Caldari groups I've faced seem to have an agreement to not do so. As for you and yours..... Not so much. I suggest you listen to Arrendis, she actually is reasoning with you. As for myself and probably others of Sebiestor tribe heritage who aren't wasting their time addressing you...... We weren't nicknamed "the Sinister Ones" for nothing.
Kador Ouryon
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2015-10-06 21:03:12 UTC
More likely than not I would seek out worthy Holder's capable and willing to care for these slaves and distribute the slaves between these Holdings as best possible while trying to keep as many family groups together as possible. Those who present aggressive tendencies would likely then be sent to Labour Re-education Centres (LRC's) until such as time as they can eventually return to the work forces.

That being said it depends on how these slaves are obtained. Slave taking is more or less illegal within the Empire and should these 40,000 slaves have been the victims of illegal slave raids it would be my moral obligation to see them either repatriated or transferred to a facility like the Aurora Arcology where they could seek rehabilitation.

What fills the soul? Something that guides a lost child back to it's parents arms. Or waves that dye the shores of the heart gold. A blessed breath to nurture life in a land of wheat. Or the path the Sef descend drawn in ash. In the wake of fire.