Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Sorry but what you ask for is simply impossible. People who can leave high sec, will leave hai sec because they are capable enough to form entities that can survive to low/null (basically low, null is dead, RIP null). Plus they know how to survive in hostile territory.

Most people cannot do that and like to sit and play with certain mechanics and rules, aka, Hai sec. You will set your own level in this game. Look at whs. Its total chaos and anarchy, yet some people choose to stay, even thought the risks are very high.

Its up to the players and what they can accomplish. A lot of players go to null sec to do relics ONLY. Thats an incentve, limited 1 but still is. Some others go to null to phish carebears doing anomalies (or relics :D , its the effortless and only fun way to actually do relics). Thats an incentive too (including the isks the bear gets from the anomaly).
Yet most players choose the relatively easy money of high sec. These incursions are too much easy money if you ask me(CCP is giving handouts literally), but the game has an economy and thats the way it is.

So ill give you the breakdown of your list

1) You can't mine without a fleet, due to NPCs alone. (Mining in 0.0? Rly?) Most people in hai sec rat in fleets .
2) You can't run the more profitable sites without a blingy BS or capital, which are difficult to get into the area. ( ihave ran them with tengus and RR proteus's, not really Blingy)
3) Ratting is limiting depending on the number of people ratting. (Ratting isnt profitable, stick to the profitable sites)
4) In order to leave null, you have to worry about bubbles. ( No you need to worry about being prudent enough to create tacticals and bounce spots. Hence you scout and you create them, keep em for ever )
5) No matter where you go in low and null, you have to worry about cynos. (Its the nature of space, in low/null ppl worry about cyno, in Bodybuilding, people worry about gyno):P.
6) Jump fatigue is forcing capital pilots to either stay put or get blown up. (Its not fatigue, its the ly, they chopped up the ly so bad, it aint worth moving, CCP needs to look at that, and if necessary exclude supers from any buff)
7) Everything that may be on sale is over priced as hell... You're basically getting ripped off by your own alliance/coalition. (Meet the human species)
8) Just getting ammo from HS requires security, scouts, intel, etc. etc. (Requires proper logistics, and yes, if you can bring it in, then you prolly know what you are doing and deserve to be there)
9) There's not always something to do because sites don't always spawn. (this is more specific to WH space) (Maybe watch a movie then? Seriously you are in null, go hunt something. Or get an alt).
10) HS is more profitable, not because of the isk payout, but because there's actually something to do and people to do it with. IE there's always an incursion fleet up. Even sitting in an NPC corp is mroe entertaining nowadays. (Theres usually an alliance fleet up, or corp, or get yer own fleet up, that solves everything).

Few points

1) If you establish your null system well enough, there's no reason to leave that system, apart from gathering stuff from HS. So, why is it mandatory for a WH pilot to leave their WH?

2) Most FW pilots live in HS and go out. The don't live there. Those pilots that do live in low, have an established foothold and/or are supported via HS alts and/or corp/alliance entities.

3) If the areas I cry as being bad, are actually good, then why is there a thread just about every other day suggesting nerf to HS in order to force people out of HS because everything else is dead or dying?
My point to those comments are that HS is not the problem.. The lack of entertainment and incentive to take risks outside of HS just isn't there.


You'll likely flame on these points as well, but the overall point is that there would be no discussion to be had if there was a reason not to be in HS. However, the issue doesn't need to be addressed by making HS worse, but instead by making everything else better.

You don't need to buff the other areas or nerf HS, you just need to make the other areas more entertaining.
As of now, the only reason to venture out of HS is for the pvp, and the Isk.

I can do pvp in low and null without having to live there.
I can also make Isk in HS.. It's a quite a slower rate, but when you consider it's easier to attain, That's the difference.
Outside of HS, it shouldn't be as difficult to attain content as it currently is. THAT is the problem.
I can find missions, mining, incursions, pvp, marketing, manufacturing, etc. etc.. With little effort.
Why search for a 10/10 when I can just grind out lvl 4s and have less worries in doing so?
If you take lvl 4's out of HS, everyone will just grind lvl 3s. It has been stated that lvl 3s can earn you Isk faster as you can burn through the NPCs like a napkin on a camp fire.

Nerf HS like the OP suggests, and the game dies within 2 year guaranteed.
This is because everyone has at least an alt in HS, if not residing in HS, as there's little to no incentive to exist purely outside of HS.

the biggest problem with highsec carebears is that the devs justifying their whining by buffing concord every year.

the devs dont give a **** about scamming, and you can see the result of that in the player base: scams are annoying but its your own fault for getting scammed.

highsec pvp on the other hand, the devs constantly pander to the whiners, and as a result, more highsec carebears whine louder and louder, and eve players slowly leave for greener pastures, and replaced with some temporary players who will quit once they get bored of flying thier deadspace fit marauder in a lvl4 for the 1000th time

The only thing that CCP has done to make life in HS better for players is giving freighters rig slots for tank, and giving barges/exhumers better tanking/soloing capability.

When they made wardec changes, it protected large entities by making it more expensive to dec them, while making it easier to dec small entities.
They removed most, if not all, the abilities the defender had in order to break a wardec.
However, the DID give them the ability to call on an ally, but this only does you good if you have an ally.

That said, it makes no difference to the attacker, as they're not going to undock when the situation is not heavily in their favor, and they can also drop the dec whenever they want.
The attacker loses nothing by starting or stopping a war, other than isk, which would take at most 2 hours to earn.

I highly doubt it does go over anything outside of HS, but if it does, it's nothing more than "go to".

That said, you can't really put all the blame on HS bears.
If there was a reason to leave HS, it wouldn't be an issue of what people in HS say to noobs.