Player Features and Ideas Discussion

First of all, you are missing my point with the arguments, they are aspects that would dissapear with the current chsnges. The first and second one is an economic and time sink of relative low/ high value without any actual tactical difference that had anything to do with sov. There is no way to stop these cyno interceptors save for smartbombs, which doesnt work if the pilot is halfway on the ball. Yes, ofcourse a noobship cyno is cheaper, but that is slightly beside the point, since im trying to argue mechanics avoidance, and a noobship would be possible to stop. The third point I'm making is about something which modifies the timesink of the old system, and the fourth point about the intel is slightly hard to act upon with regards to chasing an interceptor.

You are arguing that I should compare this system to the other alternative, which is setting up an ihub, holding sov for a week, set up a pos, upgrade the ihub and install a beacon. While I understand the reasoning, it is MUCH lower effort for me to fly cyno interceptors if I want to move around, than going to all that trouble. If you are in friendly space (read, have poses on r64 moons around the area, you already have semi decent interceptor cyno spots with the defence of these pos'es guns. No need for sov, no need for ihubs and certainly no need to upscale the pos in order to have a luxury beacon.

So, what I'm getting at is, unless you feel that the balance of eves economy is easily toppled by greedy cyno merchants taking a hit in the wallet - or you feel that the gatecamp you run always catch all interceptors, the randomness in the system you are talking about will just force people to use a 2nd account anyways, for those 40-60% of the time a polarization toggle is not in the correct position. Such a system is adding more complexity to a solution to reduce complexity.

Oh, also.. another arguments against this would be ccp's $$$

Nice attempt to draw this discussion outside of the initial bounds you set for it. You did not include "warping" to a sun in your OP simply the ability to "jump" into a system without the aid of a cyno. What happens when you warp to a sun from within a system is a different discussion since it uses a different game mechanic.

I never stated your idea was silly, that is something you interpreted into my statement because it fits YOUR purpose as a way of trying to discredit my response. I simply stated that you can have your jump into a system without a cyno as long as there is a significant risk that you would land in the sun and have your ship and pod destroyed. But this is silly and makes no sense you might contend, and my response is that it makes perfect sense. You stated in your OP that the ship would land in a random position and landing in the sun is just as valid a spot for a random landing as anywhere else in that system.

Setting side the Micro Jump Drives I personally believe jumping anywhere without the aid of a cyno beacon is OP and should not be in the game. However from certain points of view I can see how your idea is attractive so following your statement that you would land in a random position I was simply offering up what I thought to be an appropriate risk to balance what is essentially an OP idea. If that is silly then so be it.

I know that you intend the non-fleet specific nature of the cyno to be balancing force but it simply is not. Your fleet will be positioned to take advantage of this cyno, where as your opponents would have to muster forces and get them positioned before they could jump giving you and your fleet yet another significant advantage above and beyond that provided by your no cyno required initial jump. with this additional element added into your idea I am forced to go back and asses the entire idea from the beginning and after that I say.

-1 bad idea is bad idea.

I apologize for any quips at your feedback, any and all that post here should be heard, and responded to with a mature reply without cheap shots, so props to you for responding with such verbosity. First let me be frank though, I thought your idea of balancing this "feature" was absurd, because I couldnt figure out anyone could even think that would be even remotely ok. But I actually see your point, because you are thinking of this feature as a emergency escape route, something I did not intend it to be. This was meant to ease travel away from an alt-heavy mechanic into a more easy to use, but slightly risky variation. If you read the post above here, the example of moving a capital will actually be a lot less hazzle, while being a bit more risky. The idea of this initial jump creating a 30 second warning cyno before anything actually shows up, aswell as a 30 second after effect cyno after lsnding will perhapd help balancing the scales a bit?

You speak of significant advantage to having a no-cyno first jump, but honestly if you can send an alt in an interceptor all of this positioning talk is moot, and the attacker will always get to choose the initial attack site. This will not really change, it only removes the need for the initial ship "sacrifice". Also most fights in nullsec are all about objectives so most of the times when were talking about tactical assaults people would favor actual cyno ships. If this becomes a massive problem thoguh, putting a timer on the jumping ship using a cyno could be a solution.

Thank you very much for the feedback, and again I apologize for saying it was horrible - I was at fault for not understanding your reasoning!

I guess thats what i get for saying that every response should be responded to in a mature manner;

Yes, certainly it could be an option, but it would give them a fairly unbalanced utility vs cost. If you wanted to justify this I would rather see it linked to a rig slot like someone mentioned earlier, than just straight up giving them jump drive for free. Maybe create a tech 2 version of these ships and make them long range minidreads, giving them bonuses to xl weapons but force them into using the long range version of guns, instead of the short range version

Why don't we get back on topic?