Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Currently gate guns track like a beast and hit pretty hard. If you're a frigate, this means nearly instant death. For a cruiser, you probably don't want to stick around long. A single battleship can tank all 8 of them all day long without breaking a sweat if it's built for self-repping. And capital ships can very nearly tank them with just shield hardeners and base shield regen.


I'd like to see it be more possible for frigates to fight illegally on gates--not just as easy as larger ships, but not so much with certain death. Likewise, I'd like to see the heat turned up a bit on larger ships. Here's my plan:

Make the 8 guns into 4 types: small, medium, large, and extra-large. Each one is very easily able to track its size class ship but may have difficulty with anything smaller.
A frigate would then only have to deal with the two weakest gate guns, and if it makes a tight orbit on one of them, it may only get hit by the other. No matter what, a lone frigate will be taking good hits from at least one gun because they're so far apart, but if it's remaining mobile, not necessarily more than two.
A battleship wouldn't just be able to sit all alone and tank the guns, but a small group of battleships with logi support could do it.
And a capital ship might take heavy damage, though it doesn't matter as much because nobody uses capital ships to gank on gates anyway. Another cool use for the XL guns would be either watching naive pilots sitting still, or using webs and paints to make ships get hit by XL.

Isn't the whole point of gate guns to make using cheap, fast locking tackle awkward?

This is precisely the point of gate guns. Yet another swing and a miss, OP.

If someone wants to sit on a low sec gate in a battleship or Capital ship: Good! That's great content.

A horde of Interceptors camping the same gate and murdering everything they can and running away from everything they cannot is bad content.

I'm not going to dispute what you're saying exactly but have you got a source on this? Low sec gate guns were designed a long long time ago. And it seems their design is a bit more slap dash than the explanation you have given.

Besides when you have camping BS that can (with remote boosters) lock nearly as quickly as interceptors then whats the difference?

Cost and convenience.

And the all important fact that someone else has a good chance of catching and killing you. Eve is pretty much designed to introduce you to the bigger fish in the pond the instant you start thinking you are the biggest fish in the pond. Put a battleship on a gate anywhere near a competent, active PVP group and you'll see why it's not that common.

I said nearly, but a BS can lock a cruiser in roughly 3.5 secs with remote sensor boosting. Which is quick enough to catch everything cruiser and above.

A thorax with the same boosts will catch destroyers and above so you know only thing getting away from a good low sec gate camp is intys and probably frigs.

Use assault frigate with T1 cruiser logi support and your frigs will stay on grid under gate gun. Frig logi can stay a little while but not forever even with reps iirc.

With a prelock from logi, an interceptor can be used to get the first point which would keep your target on grid long enough for other ship to get a harder point. Then they GTFO because reps won't hold more than a few seconds but it still works.

I think an improvement would to add a scram to low sec gates and sations. Make it a super special you can't dock/jump, warp, MJD or cyno out scram.

Just one per gate and station.

You have all these wonderful POS modules. Gates and stations should use more than just the 1 type. Sprinkle some excitement around. Heck, add a jam on caldari gates, web on minny gates, neut for amarr and damp for gallente. The scram and racial bonus pain could come right from the gate or station - no need to float an additional module in space.

It's about commitment. It may actually end some of the docking ring heros. I'm all for anything that kicks a docking ring pvp master in the nutz. It's about taking some risk aversion (deagress option) out of the game. I'm for playing eve in hard mode. You seem to be so nerf averse (giggle - you know that's funny) you sometimes put things in the wrong box. I'm not trying to nerf pvp, I'm trying to make risk averse docking games less of a thing. I'd like to point out that I didn't say the scram targeted ebil pirates. It targets agression. It could grab anyone that is fighting withing it's range. Equal opportunity.

I like commitment, I dislike docking during a fight. Just imagine the amount of docking ring carriers that would perish because they no longer had enough raw hitpoints to deagress everything but a cyno blob. Getting rid of low sex unkillable docking ring carrier crap and/or the need for a massive cyno blob to kill said carrier isn't going to make eve pvp worse.

As for the racial hoo haw - I think that would just add a bit of fun to gate/station fights.

We may not agree on details, but I'm not the bad guy here. Lighten up Francis.