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Fix the Cyclone
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Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2015-09-30 02:47:40 UTC
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
The Cyclone is plenty powerful enough. Any lack of popularity in the ship is merely due to cyclic balance. Had it been in its current form back when Hurricanes were the PVP king, Cyclones would have been a close second in popularity most likely.


They did cut 3 out of 5 it's fingers (turrets) i still Can't accept that.

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clipper shore
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#22 - 2015-09-30 03:17:51 UTC
my god guys the cyclone is 1 of the most powerfull bc's you can fly and is a great solo pvp ship are you guys playing the same game
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#23 - 2015-09-30 03:38:00 UTC
Why are you insisting on comparing the Cyclone and Drake in a fleet fight scenario? Why would I use a ship with an active tank bonus in a fleet when I could use a ship with a resistance bonus? The Cyclone is clearly the superior small gang/solo ship. The Drake is clearly a good choice for a fleet fight. As Daichi said, it's comparing apples and oranges.

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2015-09-30 03:45:34 UTC
clipper shore wrote:
my god guys the cyclone is 1 of the most powerfull bc's you can fly and is a great solo pvp ship are you guys playing the same game


No doubt it is, i just missed my turrets fitted versions.

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Catherine Laartii
Doomheim
#25 - 2015-09-30 06:29:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Catherine Laartii
Danika Princip wrote:
Murkar Omaristos wrote:


That's the point of a racial bonus though. It gets more DPS but condition upon using that damage type.

EDIT: Just plugged it in. With scourge rage the drake pulls 627 with all LVL 5 skills, versus only 558 on the cyclone.

Once you account for drone damage, at max skills, that makes it 716 on the cyclone and 726 on the drake. Even with the drones accounted for, drake still does more DPS. You didn't do the math before commenting.

The drake also has the advantage that more of that DPS comes from missiles than drones, meaning it's actually applied in fleet fights.



Ten DPS is worth a lot less than having a fully selectable damagetype and the ability to shoot through your opponent's resistance holes you know.

It has the same DPS as a caracal without the benefits of being able to use rapid lights. How does this translate to acceptable in any sense of the word? Sure, you can make the argument that its tanking bonus supercedes that, but the drake gets one two and an extra mid slot to boot. It's severely underpowered for its class in terms of dps.

Minus the drone ships, ALL the other battlecruisers have 6 guns and acceptable to good dps. Except the cyclone. Low to a mid and the extra launcher slot would be perfect, but for some asinine reason they thought it was fine to leave as-is.
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#26 - 2015-09-30 06:50:59 UTC
FT Diomedes wrote:
Why are you insisting on comparing the Cyclone and Drake in a fleet fight scenario? Why would I use a ship with an active tank bonus in a fleet when I could use a ship with a resistance bonus? The Cyclone is clearly the superior small gang/solo ship. The Drake is clearly a good choice for a fleet fight. As Daichi said, it's comparing apples and oranges.

This is a concept people do not want to understand. Everything should be able to perform every role in the game; a ship primarily/exclusively able to perform in solo/small gangs and a ship primarily useful in larger numbers seems to be too much to comprehend or to accept.

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Samillian
Angry Mustellid
#27 - 2015-09-30 07:22:11 UTC
Something is always going to be or perceived to be worst in class.

That said the rebalance isn't even a day old as of time of this post so how about waiting a few days before rushing to judgement.

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Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#28 - 2015-09-30 09:38:58 UTC
Flew a Cyclone once since it's a missile boat. Killed a Geddon, afterwards died to the reinforcement T3 gang. Clearly Cyclone is useless.
Ix Method
Doomheim
#29 - 2015-09-30 12:54:41 UTC
It's a ship screaming out for rebalanced compact BCUs, particularly if you wanna use links. Make the awkward 5 mid, 5 low layout a little easier to exploit and most of its problems go away.

Dirt cheap T2 rigs like the gunnery ones wouldn't go unloved either Smile

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