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Does anyone actually do Amarr/Gal/Cal FW missions ?

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Portmanteau
Iron Krosz
#1 - 2015-09-28 16:08:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Portmanteau
Back in the day (like when FW missions first arrived) I remember all factions did their respective missions, even the Gallente militia, with the stupid jamming mission rats were still doing them. Now I realise a lot has changed since then, weird/tedious occupation mechanics were implemented which enabled a lot of min maxing the missions to the point that some factions were more profitable that others but I'm starting to get the impression that nobody does FW missions at all apart from the minmatar ... or specifically, people with alts in minmatar.


I spent a long time away from the FW zones and came back a month or so ago and realised I had never seen an amarr FW mission being run since being back... not one. So yesterday went to look more in depth, just for mission runners. I spent several hours in the min/amarr zone and several hours in the cal/gal zone. Not only did I not see a single amarr/cal/gal mision being run, I did not even see a single leftover beacon from incomplete missions in minmatar, caldari or gallente space in other words zero amarr cal or gal missions. In contrast, the bleak lands was littered with incomplete mission beacons.


So does anyone actually do these missions ? ...Can anyone post here and say "yep I do do them ?" ...Where would one get stats on such a question ? Would I have to look at faction market prices to get an idea ?













(disclaimer : I used to do these missions when they first came out so I at least used to have a dog in this fight, I am just curious as the faction bias seems to be hugely distorting activity levels in certain areas vs others)
Also if this is in the wrong section, sorry, please move it.
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
It Burns When I'm PvPing
#2 - 2015-09-28 16:32:40 UTC
I haven't done them in a while but I do occassionally see the beacons in fw low sec other than amarr fw low sec space (where the minmatar would do them)

Even though they are not great to do at lower tiers they are still pretty decent lp. But also they are a great way to build a character's faction standings.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

Portmanteau
Iron Krosz
#3 - 2015-09-28 16:51:58 UTC
Cearain wrote:
I haven't done them in a while but I do occassionally see the beacons in fw low sec other than amarr fw low sec space (where the minmatar would do them)

Even though they are not great to do at lower tiers they are still pretty decent lp. But also they are a great way to build a character's faction standings.


Thanks for replying, I spend v little time in the Cal/Gal warzone so only have a few hours here and there to base any assumptions on. I sincerely have never seen an amarr mission beacon in minmatar space since coming back to the Min/Amarr warzone and I spend most of my time there... it seems they are like rocking horse poop or unicorns.
Thanatos Marathon
Moira.
Villore Accords
#4 - 2015-09-28 17:11:49 UTC
Confirming people in Gal/Cal space run FW missions from time to time.
Estella Osoka
Perkone
Caldari State
#5 - 2015-09-28 18:16:46 UTC
Why you got to leave Minmatar off the list?
Portmanteau
Iron Krosz
#6 - 2015-09-28 19:51:17 UTC
Estella Osoka wrote:
Why you got to leave Minmatar off the list?


Not sure you understand my post. Minmatar missions are done almost to excess, whereas Amarr missions are not done at all as far as I have seen and I was asking to find out the level of Cal/ Gal mission running
per
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#7 - 2015-09-28 22:03:00 UTC
Portmanteau wrote:
Estella Osoka wrote:
Why you got to leave Minmatar off the list?


Not sure you understand my post. Minmatar missions are done almost to excess, whereas Amarr missions are not done at all as far as I have seen and I was asking to find out the level of Cal/ Gal mission running



amarr tier lvl 1
matar tier lvl 3/4

thats your answer, missions are always about tier
Arla Sarain
#8 - 2015-09-28 23:54:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Arla Sarain
per wrote:
Portmanteau wrote:
Estella Osoka wrote:
Why you got to leave Minmatar off the list?


Not sure you understand my post. Minmatar missions are done almost to excess, whereas Amarr missions are not done at all as far as I have seen and I was asking to find out the level of Cal/ Gal mission running



amarr tier lvl 1
matar tier lvl 3/4

thats your answer, missions are always about tier

That's only half the story. Whilst higher Tiers are responsible for higher motivation, the reason why people gravitate towards Minmatar and collaborate to upkeep the high tier on Minmatar and not the other factions is because Missions against Amarr are trivial. Bombers being unaffected by the NPC TDs allows them to blitz the missions even easier, better yet lasers have naturally bad tracking making sig tanking in a Hound, the fastest bomber, that much easier.

CalMil have it second easiest because damps can be countered with Sebos, though the issue with Cal/Gal warzone is that we have 101 systems as opposed to the 60 something in Min/Amarr warzone. So our missions agents and mission locations are spread out more.

Wouldn't know who have it the hardest, but Gallente have demonstrated that even though the barrier for doing missions against CalMil is higher, it's still doable in drone boats. I would imagine it's a complete nightmare for Amarr because of TPs and Missiles, considering one of the easiest ways of mitigating damage in these missions is to sig tank, which TPs obviously work against, leaving missions against minmatar pretty much only upship viable. Flying a BS for missions in lowsec is just begging for a lossmail.
Portmanteau
Iron Krosz
#9 - 2015-09-29 01:12:18 UTC
Arla Sarain wrote:
per wrote:
Portmanteau wrote:
Estella Osoka wrote:
Why you got to leave Minmatar off the list?


Not sure you understand my post. Minmatar missions are done almost to excess, whereas Amarr missions are not done at all as far as I have seen and I was asking to find out the level of Cal/ Gal mission running



amarr tier lvl 1
matar tier lvl 3/4

thats your answer, missions are always about tier

That's only half the story. Whilst higher Tiers are responsible for higher motivation, the reason why people gravitate towards Minmatar and collaborate to upkeep the high tier on Minmatar and not the other factions is because Missions against Amarr are trivial. Bombers being unaffected by the NPC TDs allows them to blitz the missions even easier, better yet lasers have naturally bad tracking making sig tanking in a Hound, the fastest bomber, that much easier.

CalMil have it second easiest because damps can be countered with Sebos, though the issue with Cal/Gal warzone is that we have 101 systems as opposed to the 60 something in Min/Amarr warzone. So our missions agents and mission locations are spread out more.

Wouldn't know who have it the hardest, but Gallente have demonstrated that even though the barrier for doing missions against CalMil is higher, it's still doable in drone boats. I would imagine it's a complete nightmare for Amarr because of TPs and Missiles, considering one of the easiest ways of mitigating damage in these missions is to sig tank, which TPs obviously work against, leaving missions against minmatar pretty much only upship viable. Flying a BS for missions in lowsec is just begging for a lossmail.


Interesting point about the "collusion" to keep Minmatar tier level higher. Perhaps part of the problem is that higher level missions are even possible in a solo, frigate sized hull. I used to to level 4s in a Myrm with a speed tanking frigate alt, as I didn't have the stealth bomber trained and didn't want to train it just for PVE. I can't see many isk farmers trying to do it that way... you really really had to pay attention
Syrilian
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2015-09-29 03:21:18 UTC
I did a few of them, and then stopped. The risk vs reward is not at all worth doing them in my opinion. I can spend hours, risking getting ganked in the process grinding lp. Or I can plex. I can get more lp in a 10 minute novice than in an hour doing missions. Not worth it at all.
Arla Sarain
#11 - 2015-09-29 09:48:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Arla Sarain
Syrilian wrote:
I did a few of them, and then stopped. The risk vs reward is not at all worth doing them in my opinion. I can spend hours, risking getting ganked in the process grinding lp. Or I can plex. I can get more lp in a 10 minute novice than in an hour doing missions. Not worth it at all.

Yes, if you are in FED UNION.

Just at Tier 2 you get 20k LP for burning a tower. Takes 3 minutes. No novice can beat that.

Portmanteau wrote:
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Interesting point about the "collusion" to keep Minmatar tier level higher. Perhaps part of the problem is that higher level missions are even possible in a solo, frigate sized hull. I used to to level 4s in a Myrm with a speed tanking frigate alt, as I didn't have the stealth bomber trained and didn't want to train it just for PVE. I can't see many isk farmers trying to do it that way... you really really had to pay attention


That's the caveat, Minmatar/CalMil missions can be reliably run in a stealth bomber. Gallente and Amarr, whilst not restricted, are a lot more difficult because of the racial EWAR rats.
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#12 - 2015-09-29 10:42:09 UTC
Its not really the ewar in gal missions that manks them harder to run. Its the never missing missile spam.
Portmanteau
Iron Krosz
#13 - 2015-09-29 14:10:00 UTC
I guess my feeling about this, as someone who spent a long time in FW before all the tier mechanics and then came back to the warzone as a neutral, is that something is terribly wrong when 1 faction run missions to excess and the opposing do not run them AT ALL which appears to be the case in the Amarr/Minmatar zone. I know this is not news to anyone who has been around the area for the last few years, it's just the contrast between what it was like when I left, to what it is now struck me after coming back to the area.

I remember people wanting more consequences for system occupation and although not that arsed about it at the time I remember thinking it was a good idea, I just don't think anyone envisaged this (allthough when you know EvE players you know they will min/max everything to excess so maybe we should have seen it coming). I think if you asked a lot of players back then if they would want current mechanics knowing what we know now, many would say no (at least around Amarr/Minmatar).

Very strange state of affairs really What?
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
It Burns When I'm PvPing
#14 - 2015-09-29 14:56:27 UTC
Yes lots of people thought consequences for winning sov would make faction war awesome. Many still do and ask for tweaks to consequences. But really what will make sov warfare awesome is making it fun. Consequences will be irrelevant if trying to win sov for your faction was fun. FW sov will never be fun so long as it involves boring game play - and adding consequences for refusing to engage in boring game play just makes the whole thing worse.

As far as missions in particular it is difficult to unravel their effect. Minmatar have easy missions, and gallente have it hard. But really running missions for your faction actually hurts your faction in the sov war. (unless you put the lp in system upgrades) By running missions for your faction you get much more lp than doing plexing. And that lp dilutes the value of the lp of those who earn it by plexing.

Gallente have hard missions so from a purely economic point of view plexing (which helps your faction) is a relatively better option to gain lp than missioning. I honestly am not sure how all this pans out. I just thought I would point out some of these possible effects.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

Flyinghotpocket
Amarrian Vengeance
Team Amarrica
#15 - 2015-09-30 01:34:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Flyinghotpocket
i have run millions. only run them at tier 3 or higher tho. ( of amarr missions)

it just isnt worth it at the lower tiers.

heres the final pull between all my chars on 1 mission set (about 4-8 hours)

http://i.imgur.com/o9kKqnL.png (about +3bil isk converted)

http://i.imgur.com/Sh8tf4q.jpg what it looks like being picked up.

http://i.imgur.com/6XYrhRw.jpg transformed into these.

http://i.imgur.com/ZL0VoKw.jpg used to fund these (system seiges/ pos fuel)
http://i.imgur.com/7iSd5tM.jpg do cool stuff like this.

and ultimately fund these amazing stories https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=352629

Amarr Militia Representative - A jar of nitro

gas guzzler
i'm from the government and i'm here to help
#16 - 2015-09-30 07:51:03 UTC
u can run amarr missions in a VNI, gallente missions in an ishtar or proteus. only worth the risk / hassle above tier 3



how long has the FW mission imbalance been in game?

i chalk it up to CCP's laziness
Nakito Kobara
Yamagata Syndicate
The Initiative.
#17 - 2015-09-30 11:42:16 UTC
I could run FW missions but I find plexing more fun and actually has an impact on FW.