EVE New Citizens Q&A

Warp stabs kill your targeting range and scan resolution so fitting them on PVP ships is usually a bad idea.

Nope. Balance, choose whether you are able to run or stay and fight, not both. There are counters to scram/point: don't get scrammed by situational awareness / range control, win the fight, neut the opponent empty, ECM, etc.

I can't imagine changing your opinion on that but I don't agree that's balanced. The hard counter to scram/point has a harsh penalty. Using a scram/point has no penalty. Not getting hit in the first place is not really a counter(avoidance?), neuting may or may not work at all and also has a heavy cost to it. ECM is RNG based so again, not a fair counter. The penalty for a stab is 50% reduced targeting range so in this type of fight it may look to still be a viable strategy on a ship with a 40-50km range.
I guess I'm answering my own question now. Maybe I'll try it. Silly for me to consider Forum goers to think outside of the box. But meh, I'm bored here at work so whatever.
Also, I see that before "Revelations" there was no penalty at all for running stabs but was later added to balance against people abusing them. Seems stupid to me. It would make much more sense to implement diminishing returns on them than do what they did. Meh, my last day in this game is Thursday when my sub expires. Remind me not to care or post again. =)

That's a fairly arrogant thing to say, from one so clueless about this game. Approach with humility, and be rewarded.







Duly noted. "...and nothing of value was lost".

I can haz your stuff?

If nothing else fitting a PvP ship with stabs sort of means you are already thinking you will lose and will need to escape. Not the best mindset for entering PvP.

The only thing that I fit stabs are with T1 industrial like Epithals trying to sneak through low. The reason is they are vulnerable to roaming solo low SP new players in T1 frigates who like to take potshots at things and tend to only fit the one scram. Even then its debatable as more nanos/i-stabs to align faster is probably more sensible.

that is how stabs used to work. it was decided it was a bad idea and the penalties got added.

and anyways in FW so many people use scrams having only 1 warp stab probably wouldn't be worth it.

Don't be such a ridiculous *******.

Dropping damage control on an armor frigate is gonna cut your tank nearly in half. That alone would be a good reason to never fit one to a brawling ship.

Scrams and disruptors form the backbone which makes EVE PvP complex. It is precisely because of their strong effects that other things, like optimal range, tracking, etc. have meaning. They create the need for tough fitting decisions to balance range control with tank and damage. Otherwise every fight would go strictly by the numbers and piloting would play no role. Whatever combination provided the most DPS per EHP would win every time. Instead we have a system where clever use of range control can help you win a fight that would otherwise be impossible.

You were given a whole bunch of direct counters to scrams (webs/scrams/AB/overdrive for range control, neuts, ECM, etc.) and ignored them. I would say it is you that refuses to think outside the box since there are so many tools at your disposal but you refuse to take advantage of them.

I had hoped your previous experiences (ninja looting and what have you) would have opened your eyes a little to the vast potential of EVE, but alas, you seem pretty set on assuming the worst of us. Good luck with whatever game you play next. Hopefully it will match your desired play-style a bit better.

OP is obviously this guy