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Xurekus Gaterau
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2015-09-28 04:38:54 UTC
Hello, I've only been playing a few days, and I've been trying various ways of making money. I got my Venture all fitted up and did some mining in low sec space, which was mostly profitable except for the fact that running from other players really cuts into the actual mining time. Eventually, they get tired of chasing me and just go somewhere else, but it's just so unpredictable. That, and the NPC pirates that warp in to those belts can kill me in one hit.....so while I did make some money, it just wasn't worth the time involved.

So I'm doing some missions for the Federal Navy, and the money is consistent, but it's boring as all hell. I get the same ridiculously easy level 1 missions over and over, while my standing just barely increases. At this rate it's gonna be weeks before I get to level 2's, I was drawn to this game because of the lack of skill grinding, but it appears I have stumbled upon another kind of grind.

So, my question is, what else can I do? Is there a way to get standing faster?
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2015-09-28 04:59:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Hasikan Miallok
Xurekus Gaterau wrote:
Hello, I've only been playing a few days, and I've been trying various ways of making money. I got my Venture all fitted up and did some mining in low sec space, which was mostly profitable except for the fact that running from other players really cuts into the actual mining time. Eventually, they get tired of chasing me and just go somewhere else, but it's just so unpredictable. That, and the NPC pirates that warp in to those belts can kill me in one hit.....so while I did make some money, it just wasn't worth the time involved.

So I'm doing some missions for the Federal Navy, and the money is consistent, but it's boring as all hell. I get the same ridiculously easy level 1 missions over and over, while my standing just barely increases. At this rate it's gonna be weeks before I get to level 2's, I was drawn to this game because of the lack of skill grinding, but it appears I have stumbled upon another kind of grind.

So, my question is, what else can I do? Is there a way to get standing faster?



Fleetup with someone that is already running higher level missions will help.

If you have ISK you can buy tags to hand in at the once only data center missions and get a sizable faction boost.

Note that Fed Navy gives very poor returns, especially for LP. Long term you are better off working for a corp with better LP returns like Sisters of EVE. I suggest running the SOE new player friendly Epic Arc "Blood Stained Stars" which you get from Sister Alitura. Much of the arc is just delivery and travel but you end up with enough ISK at the end to buy and fit a cruiser.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2015-09-28 05:33:25 UTC
Hello and welcome to Eve. Now if you wanna try something different :

High Faction standing will allow you to access almost all Agents of all Corporations within that Faction. (R&D Agents require both Faction and Corp standing for access).

Faction standing is actually pretty easy to gain. First of all train up Social and Connections skills at least to level 4, then work the first sequence of steps listed in 'The Plan'. You'll be surprised at the results after completion.

Most of the Event Agents can only be completed once in the characters lifetime. Their missions are very different with a good plot line offering some unique rewards. After completing the level 1 Event Agents, train and move up in ship skills and equipment, then complete the level 2 Event Agents.

Just something to think about.

Good luck to you.




DMC

'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
Caladan Panzureborn
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2015-09-28 05:48:11 UTC
Mining in low sec is totally pointless and not worth the hassle. You can mine Scordite, the best bang for your buck, in high sec for about 700k-750k ISK per load. This was the most profitable beginning mining in a venture that I found after research and trial and error until you can get into a Procurer. But it's a hella boring way to play the game and not a good source of income compared to other things you can do at all.
The thing that I found to be incredibly profitable, easily done by a low SP char, and really cheap to maintain is low-sec wreck looting. I use the Imicus for it's cheap price but more importantly its got a great setup for what you need to live and loot the good stuff. It also has the largest cargo bay of the frigates that I could find which is really important as well. It has a quick align time and I've gotten away many more times than I've gotten popped. I thorough enjoy taunting those players who've failed as i warp away to safety. Though I even made a friend out of one. Well, friend with an alterior motive, but you never know people's motives in this game. Lots of weird RP'ing going on.

Imicus Wreck Looting Low-Sec Survivor:

High: Empty but *can equip salvager though not recommended. You're often being targeted and got to get in and out with the most valuable loot asap. Salvage itself is not worth nearly as much as a T2 Module in most cases
Meds: 1 mn MicroWarpdrive
small shield extender
adaptive invulnerability field I
Lows: 2x Warp Core Stabilizer *these are must have
Damage Control I

Find a good staging system on the border of a low sec area that has decent action. Check the map *new beta one* and select the option "Most kills in the last 1 hour". FInd one that has at least 15-20 kills, set destination and go. Make sure your safety is set to yellow before you leave. The idea here is that there are a ton of left over battle wrecks around hot gates here loaded with juicy T2 modules. Loot them and get the hell outta dodge. A cargo hold with around 5-8 million isk worth of stuff is enough to bring me back to base to drop off. Don't want to get cocky and caught dead with a full hold. People will kill you for no reason at all the instant you have a suspect timer up so you've really gotta watch the overview and see who's around too.

Besides the wrecks, there's also a ton of T2 drones around low-sec that get abandoned. Select "scoop to drone bay"=easy money often a few hundred K ISK each. Then scoop the rest to cargo hold when the drone bay is full. Sell everything at a busy station with an active market. To give you an idea, I made over 600 million Isk doing this in about 2 weeks time, playing for around 2 hours a night. Seems like plenty to me, though not much compared to what a vet makes I'm sure. But with that sitting in the bank I was able to fund quite a lot of frigate and destroyer PvP and bought my first Pirate Faction Frigate. Good luck.
Do Little
Bluenose Trading
#5 - 2015-09-28 10:05:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Do Little
The best ways to build standing as a new player:

1. Purchase the Social skill and train a few levels. Standing rewards improve with higher levels of social skill. The Connections skill will improve standing with people who like you and the Diplomacy skill will improve standing with those who don't like you.
2. Run the career agent missions. Each chain has a storyline that gives 1.5% faction standing boost.
3. Run the SOE Epic Arc. Gives an 8% standing boost for the empire faction of your choice http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/The_Blood-Stained_Stars. Can be run every 3 months to repair standing.
4. Join a player corp and run level 4 missions in fleet with an experienced player. Orbit their battleship in your frigate or destroyer and kill frigates. You are providing a valuable service since the big guns on the battleship have trouble tracking small, fast moving targets and it's reasonably safe for the same reason. You get an equal share of ISK, loyalty points and corp standing (you don't get faction standing for storyline missions owned by another player)
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#6 - 2015-09-28 11:35:26 UTC
http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
And yeah, social skills for missions. lvl1 missions are very boring, too easy for new players now imo, but social skills will raise standings quickly. lvl2's are ok, but lvl3's are pretty nice, especially blitzing in an AF (assault frig) or something. lvl4's are good, but long time off if solo. You could also get basic probing skills, hunt down ded sites.

But yes, you should do career agents, then the soe epic arc. Then research that image I linked, lots of things to do in EVE.

I'm in it for the money

Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12
Cara Forelli
State War Academy
Caldari State
#7 - 2015-09-28 16:55:36 UTC
1. If you want to run missions, train "social" and "connections". With both of these at level 3 it only takes one level 1 mission to unlock level 2s.

2. Missions/mining are the most straightforward but certainly not the only way to make ISK. And they are probably among the dullest (I absolutely refuse to do either). Try out hacking, combat exploration, ninja-looting, station trading...do whatever you find interesting. If missions are boring, avoid them like the plague.

3. It's not all about the money. Fit up a super-cheap combat frigate and go shoot someone in lowsec. After you go up in flames talk to them about what you could have done better etc. Everyone loves an eager newbro looking to get into PVP. Many of them will even reimburse your loss (or give you extra even) just for having a good attitude. Do what interests you in game. Start out cheap so you have some wiggle room and money will find it's way to you.

When I was new I would fly a scout/tackle frigate for my corp. I once found a golem that dropped about a billion in loot which I got to keep for finding it.

I once stumbled across a wormhole that someone was looking for and they were willing to pay 4 billion isk for the location. That money lasted me half a year while I had a blast PvPing in cheap frigates.

These sort of opportunities will pop up if you play long enough and you won't have to worry about grinding anything. It's much more likely they will happen sooner rather than later if you get involved with the community. So get out there and shoot people (one of the best ways to meet them). Talk to people and make some friends. Find a good corporation where you can get support (both education and financial). You will begin to enjoy all the fun parts of the game and not have to worry about the money.

Caladan Panzureborn wrote:
Imicus Wreck Looting Low-Sec Survivor:

Just a tip for you - small shield extenders are pretty lackluster. Try to cram a medium on there. Technically they are designed for larger ships but they have become the standard for frigates because of their superior stats. It might require a micro auxiliary power core (lowslot) or ancillary current router (rig), but should be well worth it in terms of survivablity.

Want to talk? Join my channel in game: House Forelli

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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#8 - 2015-09-28 18:00:12 UTC
All the advice above is sound and good...

but there is another option!

You see that door over there? The rusty steel one with blast marks and bullet holes in it? The one with the bloody drag marks leading to it?
That is the PvP door.

The only requirements to enter it are...
- bloodlust
- a "process-type" thinking that sees failure as a challenge to try harder
- social skills
- a VERY good sense of humor (bonus points if it is twisted)


Forget standings. Forget being "efficient." Just earn enough money to buy a couple frigates, some weapons and modules to make it dangerous, and then look for a fight.
Win or lose, talk to the victor and learn from him/her. If the victor likes you enough, they may invite you (or give you the right connections) and maybe even give you a stack of cheap stuff for you to essentially be suicidal with.

How did you Veterans start?
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#9 - 2015-09-28 18:19:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Xurekus Gaterau wrote:
...At this rate it's gonna be weeks before I get to level 2's, I was drawn to this game because of the lack of skill grinding, but it appears I have stumbled upon another kind of grind....

o.O

Lack of skill grinding? Hate to burst your bubble, but you (and others) will thank me in later years...

  • Buy PLEX with $ (from CCP of course)
  • Consider buying a 60-80m SP toon off the character bazaar

Do not get on the earning ISK-ingame or SP grind hamster wheel.

Your welcome,

F

Would you like to know more?
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#10 - 2015-09-28 18:22:46 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
All the advice above is sound and good...

but there is another option!

You see that door over there? The rusty steel one with blast marks and bullet holes in it? The one with the bloody drag marks leading to it?
That is the PvP door.

The only requirements to enter it are...
- bloodlust
- a "process-type" thinking that sees failure as a challenge to try harder
- social skills
- a VERY good sense of humor (bonus points if it is twisted)


Forget standings. Forget being "efficient." Just earn enough money to buy a couple frigates, some weapons and modules to make it dangerous, and then look for a fight.
Win or lose, talk to the victor and learn from him/her. If the victor likes you enough, they may invite you (or give you the right connections) and maybe even give you a stack of cheap stuff for you to essentially be suicidal with.

We have chains and rope err ... Candy ... and ehh ... isk ... Yeah .

Murderers of Negotiable Motivations

=]|[=
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2015-09-28 18:29:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Tipa Riot
Love the unconventional things, scooping drones (advanced: combat probing for drones), stealing loot as mentioned are very accessible to new players and teach you how to survive in a hostile environment. Then it's only a small step to PvP, where the most fun is in the game IMO. Nowadays (positive) standing with a faction is almost irrelevant, unless your focus is mission runner or trader.

I would recommend to train the scanning and archaeology skills to unlock exploration as an ISK source, combat probing, and fast travel by wormholes. Scanning skills (SP and player skill) are one of the most valuable things in New Eden.

EDIT: but only do things that are fun for you. It's a game and if earning ISK in-game is not fun for you, just buy for RL money and sell PLEX for ISK. After 2 years of focussed training I'm funding my PvP mainly by PvP loot and drive-by opportunities with the occasional PLEX, never grind again.

I'm my own NPC alt.
Krughor Khan
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#12 - 2015-09-28 19:03:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Krughor Khan
Rolling L1's and L2's sucks! I advise finishing the exploration tutorial and then scanning mission runners and steal their loot and salvage using something like this:

[Imicus, watcha got out there for me Jimmy Ray?]
Type-D Restrained Expanded Cargo
Co-Processor I
Type-D Restrained Nanofiber Structure

5MN Cold-Gas Enduring Microwarpdrive
Eutectic Compact Cap Recharger
Eutectic Compact Cap Recharger
Drone Navigation Computer I

Salvager I
Salvager I
Expanded Probe Launcher I, Combat Scanner Probe I

Small Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I
Small Salvage Tackle I
Small Salvage Tackle I

Salvage Drone I x4

NOTES:

1) Once you ninja loot you become a suspect, so make shure you have an insta undock point from the station you are in (a saved spot placed at 150+Km from the entrance of the station so you can escape from aggressors.

2) Make shure you have at least two tabs on the overview so you can see both wrecks and ships and another one with only ships. This will help you tracking incoming scum with the directional scanner (and also to determine in which pocket the runner is).

3) Make a filter for marauders, BS's and strategic cruisers, since they usually roll l4's

4) Salvaging drones can salvage yellow wrecks if you order them individually

5) You will loose ships but also make a profit

6) If you find an MTU (this is not from my time) get a cheap destroyer and shoot it. Maybe it will drop something

7) Best place for the hunt is around Inaya. Avoid Osmon at the start, since there are missions with no gates (you warp straight into some rats with point) and some others with a AoE destructive effect.


While doing this you can either train for a BS and run the missions yourself or get a SB and run fw pve missions (use nano and high transversal).
Caladan Panzureborn
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2015-09-28 20:01:05 UTC
Cara Forelli wrote:

Caladan Panzureborn wrote:
Imicus Wreck Looting Low-Sec Survivor:

Just a tip for you - small shield extenders are pretty lackluster. Try to cram a medium on there. Technically they are designed for larger ships but they have become the standard for frigates because of their superior stats. It might require a micro auxiliary power core (lowslot) or ancillary current router (rig), but should be well worth it in terms of survivablity.


Thanks! Ya, I will fit a medium on there but can't give up my precious warp stabs. But the rigs would def work and I've now got rigs on all my pvp combat fits but hadn't thought to put them on my cheapy looter. If it would buy me an extra couple seconds it would be worth it. Unless I run into more T2 artillery ships then I don't think it matters what type of anything is on my little scooty puff jr. Haha.
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2015-09-28 20:41:11 UTC
Caladan Panzureborn wrote:
Cara Forelli wrote:

Caladan Panzureborn wrote:
Imicus Wreck Looting Low-Sec Survivor:

Just a tip for you - small shield extenders are pretty lackluster. Try to cram a medium on there. Technically they are designed for larger ships but they have become the standard for frigates because of their superior stats. It might require a micro auxiliary power core (lowslot) or ancillary current router (rig), but should be well worth it in terms of survivablity.


Thanks! Ya, I will fit a medium on there but can't give up my precious warp stabs. But the rigs would def work and I've now got rigs on all my pvp combat fits but hadn't thought to put them on my cheapy looter. If it would buy me an extra couple seconds it would be worth it. Unless I run into more T2 artillery ships then I don't think it matters what type of anything is on my little scooty puff jr. Haha.

Remember to learn and practice: warp, loot (not loot, warp).

I'm my own NPC alt.
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2015-09-28 22:10:54 UTC
Xurekus Gaterau wrote:

So, my question is, what else can I do? Is there a way to get standing faster?

This question right here tells me that you are stuck in the mentality of other MMOs. Eve is a sandbox. You are asking what you can do next as if Eve were some linear formulaic game with an extremely limited number of things that you can do in game. Most other games have one or just a few paths through the game and things you can do or ways you can play.

Eve is not that way. There are a lot of things you can do to make isk in this game and more importantly what is it that you need isk for?

The real question is actually what do you like to do. Figure out what you like doing then figure out how to keep doing that. Isk should not be your focus unless you enjoy making isk for the sake of making isk. If you get your rocks off by making huge sums of isk playing the market with nothing to spend it on then by all means play the market and make huge amounts of isk.

If however you just want to PvP then find a way to do the kind of PvP that you enjoy. That could be joining a PvP corp that supplies ships or faction warfare or piracy or what ever. The key is figuring out what you enjoy doing. Heck you could buy a PLEX and PvP off of that in cheap frigs for a long time.

Said another way if you are sick of other grindy games that have you grinding levels to get to level cap then grinding instances to get gear then grinding dailies to get gold, may I suggest that you not come to Eve and essentially ask what is the Eve equivalent to dailies.

IMHO you need to let go of your programmed expectations from other games and try eve from a fresh perspective. So try eve try different things, see what you like then come here and ask us how better to do that.

If you still can't get the old ways out of your head then may I hint that there is a video out there on youtube that shows you how to make isk on a day old character in FW plexs.

Want to talk? Join Cara's channel in game: House Forelli
Xurekus Gaterau
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2015-09-29 09:51:35 UTC
Wow. This is a lot to take in. I like the going and shooting people idea.

Thank you all for the advice, I'll give it a try.
Azda Ja
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2015-09-29 10:55:25 UTC
As others have mentioned this isn't your typical MMO. If you find missions boring now, level 2s 3s and 4s will not satisfy you either. There is a lot of freedom in this game, but you are not guaranteed success, bumps and bruises are part of the experience, and more often than not it's other players giving you those bruises. It's a sand box with a pretty heavy pvp element. You can try and avoid ship violence as much as possible, and that's perfectly valid, but even putting up some loot you found on the market is pvp on some level as you're competing with other people's sell orders on the market. Competition here is pretty cutthroat, and sometimes people mess with you just for the sake of messing with you. Finding a good group of people, however big or small, to roll with is the best thing you can do because it will open up so many options for you.

Grrr.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#18 - 2015-10-01 03:43:11 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
Azda Ja wrote:
There is a lot of freedom in this game, but you are not guaranteed success, bumps and bruises are part of the experience,

Quoted for emphasis.

You can have the best ship... and you may be beaten.
You can have the best gear... and you may be beaten.
You can have the best / most skills... and you may be beaten.
You can have the best tactics... and you may be beaten.
You can have the best / most friends... and you may be beaten.
You can be the most cunning... and you may be beaten.

You can have all of the above... and it still may not be enough to be successful.

But that is part of the "challenge" of EVE. That is why many of us play.

How did you Veterans start?