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Smartphone interface

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General Guardian
Perkone
Caldari State
#1 - 2015-09-26 21:57:30 UTC
Few ideas CCP could use if they got on the smartphone connectivity bandwagon like some other game companies have.

1. An option for a more detailed ship hud. Shield/armor/hull status and/or passive module damage status. Live current shield or cap regen statistics. Then we could clear some on screen space with just active modules.

2. Autopilot, Sov and System info display. Clearing that part of the screen would give us even more screen space.

3. Probably more for tablets but the Beta map or a simpler version of it would go hand in hand with autopilot info.

4. View ship cargohold.

5. D-scan results. That way we can minimise dscan to just the sliders for range and angle, but the readout is displayed on the mobile device. Saving heaps of screen space.

6. This idea I had before as an on screen thing but couldn't work out where it would be placed. 2 sliders to adjust orbit and "keep at" range on the fly. Not sure if having control over any ship functions is a good idea though. Maybe just a readout of what your current settings are.

7. Viewing contracts and maybe accepting them.

8. Performance monitor. FPS/cpu/mem. The usuals.

9. Online Contacts display.

elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#2 - 2015-09-27 00:55:38 UTC
No!

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Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#3 - 2015-09-27 05:51:29 UTC
For how many platforms? =] If it's only for Android and/or iOS, I say no. If it's at least for WP/W10M as well, I say that CCP can't manage the workload properly and will just screw up.

Also, what you want to have displayed on the phone (system info, AP info, dscan, cargohold, among other things) is just "Wth?". How am I supposed to interact with my cargo to drag ammo on my modules, use drugs efficiently? Do you really think that turning on, entering passwords for the lock screen and then waiting for the app to load and continue every time I want to check system info is anything anyone would want to do? Let alone doing that for even more important stats like armor/shield/hull/capacitor? This is the worst idea for a companion app I have seen in months.

UI Improvement Collective

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General Guardian
Perkone
Caldari State
#4 - 2015-09-27 08:35:12 UTC
Err.. you still activate or use cargo etc in game. And there are keyboard docks for devices. Just leave it on and then you don't need to keep playing with your phone.

No functionality would change in game. It just means you can hide the info on screen and display it on the device.

I don't care what platforms they'd use, that's not the main issue at the moment
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#5 - 2015-09-27 09:27:36 UTC
So, in order to interact with the things ingame (for instance, putting dscans in a dscan evaluation tool, adjusting speed, using ammo, checking system stats, ...), I need to pull them up again. I do not see a benefit here if I have to spend more time fiddling with the UI or shortcuts to hide and reveal these items when I need them ingame. I also do not see a benefit of them being on a small screen where I need to laboriously switch between apps/tabs/menus in order to find what I want to look at. Not to mention that I need to take my gaze away from the monitor in order to do that on the phone, which adds risk due to unawareness what's going on on the screen that is completely unnecessary and adds no benefits or meaning.

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Melissa Reed
Safety Set To Red
Train Wreck.
#6 - 2015-09-27 09:28:51 UTC
that would be pretty cool, quite a lot of popular games these days have pretty good integration with android and ios devices.
General Guardian
Perkone
Caldari State
#7 - 2015-09-27 09:51:18 UTC  |  Edited by: General Guardian
Rivr Luzade wrote:
So, in order to interact with the things ingame (for instance, putting dscans in a dscan evaluation tool, adjusting speed, using ammo, checking system stats, ...), I need to pull them up again. I do not see a benefit here if I have to spend more time fiddling with the UI or shortcuts to hide and reveal these items when I need them ingame. I also do not see a benefit of them being on a small screen where I need to laboriously switch between apps/tabs/menus in order to find what I want to look at. Not to mention that I need to take my gaze away from the monitor in order to do that on the phone, which adds risk due to unawareness what's going on on the screen that is completely unnecessary and adds no benefits or meaning.


As for the d-scan tool, you would be able to minimize the d-scan box to just the sliders and scan button and back to normal again. The D-scan results will simply show in both windows but that way you can choose to see it on a mobile device so you can save screen space. For evaluation tools it would just take a single mouse click and all the results are there as you need.

Adjusting speed, using ammo all that is still on screen, but the option there is to display parts of the HUD you don't interact with on the mobile device or the screen, or even both if you wish. It's just to clear some screen space.

There is no switching or labouring, if you want all features on screen, they will still be there, you just have the option to minimise or hide individual items on screen and display it on mobile. Or have it on both if you really wish. If you have a small phone then obviously you wouldn't display much on it. but tablet users would make great use of it.

Youtube/Twitch users would appreciate this also.
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#8 - 2015-09-27 10:47:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Rivr Luzade
This is only my personal experience, but I have no UI item I do not interact with regularly, or that is not there when I do not use it in the first place.
The HUD (cap/SAH/mods) is in constant use and I do not see how minimizing the SAH part to a mobile device has any benefit to the player if they need to switch looking at between the main screen and a side screen. The same goes for my cargo where, in particular when I am running solo around, need to keep track of my ammo, paste or want easy access to my drugs. Having to look away from the screen and/or maximize the cargohold window everytime I want to draw something from it, has no benefits in my opinion.
Dscan/anom scan is in one window in my set up and I constantly use that as well and I also do not see any benefit having that on a separate screen or to constantly expand/collapse the menu to "save screenspace". Having to do this action continuously actually increases workload and decreases usability.
Displaying all the info on a 5 inch device is clearly going to require a lot of tab/menu switching because you cannot display things like cargo window, SAH-part of the HUD, dscan, system info, etc on the same screen at once. Unless, of course, you want not being able to read anything on them at all. Switching (ie. alt-tabbing between the parts) is unavoidable. Another problem is the orientation of the phone. Horizontal works for the HUD, maybe for the cargo, but not for the Dscan list. In all cases, unnecessary scrolling, panning, zooming and screen micromanagement is unavoidable. I also do not see any benefit at all in this that would make having UI items displayed on a side screen. It's not much different on a tablet as readability is limited and 12 inches (in fact, in most cases not more than 7 or 9 inches with a terrible resolution) do not offer a lot of screen space either. Another problem with tablets is their size. Dock them on top of the keyboard in front of your actual screen? Have fun with parts of your actual screen covered by the tablet screen. To the sides? Fancy looking away from the screen all the time and missing important things happening there. Having it laying or docked next to your keyboard or mouse? Have fun with the moving around device when you try to handle it with one hand while still managing your ship in space. In either case and on either device class, reaching to the extra device is not going to offer any benefits.

I did not even need to lengthily think about downsides of your approach, by the way, these were all things quickly jumping to my mind when I wrote the text. With a bit more thought put into it, I could come up with a couple more downsides, like lag and incoherent sync with the game. Blink

You might want to invite some video uploaders to the conversation and ask them for opinions. However, the video uploaders that I regularly watch, have nearly no UI item they do not use at least once a minute.

UI Improvement Collective

My ridicule, heavy criticism and general pale outlook about your or CCP's ideas is nothing but an encouragement to prove me wrong. Give it a try.

General Guardian
Perkone
Caldari State
#9 - 2015-09-27 11:25:40 UTC
Well in the case of some people (like you I guess) having difficulties such as:

- No keyboard dock
- No height adjustable monitor
- Small mobile device
- Difficulty opening and closing windows on screen on the fly (not like we do that already?)
- Being indecisive and not being able to choose what you want to display on the mobile device and keep fiddling with it taking your attention away from the game.
- Have multitudes of pills you need access to immediately for the entire duration of your activities so must be on screen at all times.
- Have an extremely slow ireless router causing sync issues.

Then I guess you would just not use the functionality right?

Now instead of telling us all the reasons YOU don't want to use it (because you don't have to) and come up with reasons why no one should be able to use it.
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#10 - 2015-09-27 11:47:43 UTC
All the reasons above? =) The points that I brought up are by no means only limited to me or to a small group of people and, in case you have not noticed it, I even used outstandingly large screen sizes for mobile devices.

I also do not see indecisiveness when I state that I use all my UI elements constantly and without large enough interruptions that would warrant minimizing them to the tray or some other screen. It rather seems that you suffer from poor UI management if you have so much stuff cluttering your screen, obstructing valuable screen space.

As said, I invite you to prove me wrong with some actual comments from people that you use as target group. Go ahead.

UI Improvement Collective

My ridicule, heavy criticism and general pale outlook about your or CCP's ideas is nothing but an encouragement to prove me wrong. Give it a try.

Zan Shiro
Doomheim
#11 - 2015-09-27 12:03:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Zan Shiro
elitatwo wrote:
No!



I think about a week with a WiiU will show them error of their ways. Many game rely on this whole big picture, little picture in game pad setup. And imo....I would pay good money to have it ditch the damn thing and support the "normal" style controller for the games that do this.

This stuff the only ding I have with the system (besides obligatory lack of games rant). Great system all around imo, some graphics breakthroughs on it as well. I am being very open minded here...kirby for exampled pulled off CGI based claymation expertly...Sure as hell isn't EA playing lets see how long we can string along tards pushing same engine with skin changes to make it look new again at any rate.


But the reliance on that damn game pad some games have...I do not like. Have to hop on it when son is stuck. And not happy about that setup an understatement.


Also tried this with phantom pain on the xbone just for giggles and grins. It got me spotted and killed so much I left it alone not much later. I do better with visual land navigation to see new threats before they see me tbh. Kind of why I have the bigger size TV lol.

It be me looking at my arrow on iPad that 1 second too long to go from maybe spotted to straight up crap storm in record time. map before I enter site (on tv)...get my landmarks and mark them, go do my thing.
General Guardian
Perkone
Caldari State
#12 - 2015-09-27 12:27:11 UTC
Rivr Luzade wrote:
All the reasons above? =) The points that I brought up are by no means only limited to me or to a small group of people and, in case you have not noticed it, I even used outstandingly large screen sizes for mobile devices.

I also do not see indecisiveness when I state that I use all my UI elements constantly and without large enough interruptions that would warrant minimizing them to the tray or some other screen. It rather seems that you suffer from poor UI management if you have so much stuff cluttering your screen, obstructing valuable screen space.

As said, I invite you to prove me wrong with some actual comments from people that you use as target group. Go ahead.


Oh you mean I should gather comments from players in a public forum or something? Good idea that.

I would most definitely use such an app to view my cargo so I can keep an eye on my cap boosters and nanite paste.
If I had a tablet I'd also use it to display dscan results to clear a large portion of space on screen.
Anyone with a multi monitor setup would not be unfamiliar with looking away from screen momentarily.
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#13 - 2015-09-27 15:17:53 UTC
-1 If you want to interact with your stuff then do so in the game client.

-1 If you put enough functionality into this to make it worth CCP wasting dev resources on then it becomes the next must have thing and that would give those with more real cash money an advantage. Unless you are personally volunteering to pay the cell phone data usage bills for everyone that plays EvE. You see that is part of what makes EvE better than all those "other games" you refer to. Anyone that can run the client has access to exactly the same tools that affect the game as everyone else.
General Guardian
Perkone
Caldari State
#14 - 2015-09-27 15:25:43 UTC  |  Edited by: General Guardian
Donnachadh wrote:
-1 If you want to interact with your stuff then do so in the game client.

-1 If you put enough functionality into this to make it worth CCP wasting dev resources on then it becomes the next must have thing and that would give those with more real cash money an advantage. Unless you are personally volunteering to pay the cell phone data usage bills for everyone that plays EvE. You see that is part of what makes EvE better than all those "other games" you refer to. Anyone that can run the client has access to exactly the same tools that affect the game as everyone else.


After reading the last 2 posts of yours in 2 different threads I have come to the conclusion that you're either a troll, or just plain slow.

"Display" does not equal "Interact with"

If you think a smartphone app connecting to to your PC via wireless router uses cell phone data, then you might need to do some research on the subject.

There would be no advantage gained by anyone for simply viewing information on a mobile device. It would be like saying someone who can afford a second monitor has an advantage cause they can extend their client width to save screen space.
afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2015-09-27 15:36:08 UTC
And I'm supposed to copy/paste my Dscan results how?

You're solving a problem that doesnt exist whilst a plethora of real issues continue to exist.
General Guardian
Perkone
Caldari State
#16 - 2015-09-27 15:38:24 UTC
afkalt wrote:
And I'm supposed to copy/paste my Dscan results how?

You're solving a problem that doesnt exist whilst a plethora of real issues continue to exist.


By just clicking the open window button on the d-scanner.

I wasn't trying to solve a problem.
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#17 - 2015-09-27 16:08:22 UTC
I thought the many reasons why this is a bad idea would be clear by now?

The common perception of people with "smart" phones.. Geez..

Your premise is wrong and those cellphone are not as "fast" as they want you to believe, 2-4 or 8 core, they are nothing more than a pocket calculator of the ancient times.

The marketing people that mislead you into believing that you have that fastestest device in zee wurld will have a field day now - mission success.
The "speed" perception comes from running on a ram-drive and two dedicated openGL(es) devices that share their load between them.
If you would try to run real video compression on such device you will see how "fast" they are.

Then there are security concerns and I don't even want to try to begin to explain the nightmare that is android os - it makes my toenails curl.

Every user of such a device has all their life and the life of their loved ones on there and ready for taking, personal information, sensitive information and if I would go into details how easy it is to get that information without getting even close you would throw it out the window.

Apple doesn't want anyone to look into what they doing don't get me started on windoze™.

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General Guardian
Perkone
Caldari State
#18 - 2015-09-27 16:12:30 UTC
I think your war on Smartphones is in the wrong thread.