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[news] King Khanid a Royal Heir

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Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#1 - 2015-09-24 18:25:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Makoto Priano
As many of us are now reading. This is fascinatingnews. Would followers of Imperial politics care to educate those allies who are familiar, but perhaps not so deeply entrenched?

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Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#2 - 2015-09-24 18:28:49 UTC
It means Shathol'syn is a bust, and all the Heirs who lose the succession trials this time around, will be free to continue living.

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.

Ayallah
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2015-09-24 18:33:53 UTC
Quote:
"...Decision has been ratified by Orders in Privy Council and a Decree to the Faithful from the Theology Council."

Goddess of the IGS

As strength goes.

Vollhov
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2015-09-24 19:02:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Vollhov
Del.
Good luck to all. Cry

End of Time. I'm not fanatic, I'm just a servant by Her Majesty the Empress Jamyl Sarum I. It's time to leave this world to me. YC111 to YC117.12.10 20:00

Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#5 - 2015-09-24 19:46:56 UTC
Does this mean that when he loses again he will simply go back to his Kingdom and ignore the "ritual suicide" of the Succession.

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Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#6 - 2015-09-24 19:48:27 UTC
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:
Does this mean that when he loses again he will simply go back to his Kingdom and ignore the "ritual suicide" of the Succession.


He'll fake his own death, and announce that he's now Khanid III.

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.

Utari Onzo
Escalated.
OnlyFleets.
#7 - 2015-09-24 19:57:04 UTC
It has been decreed. We hear and shall obey.

"Face the enemy as a solid wall For faith is your armor And through it, the enemy will find no breach Wrap your arms around the enemy For faith is your fire And with it, burn away his evil"

Sahriah BloodStone
No.Mercy
Triumvirate.
#8 - 2015-09-24 20:11:58 UTC
An interesting development, one no doubt the Amarr Empire will be stronger for.

Sahriah Bloodstone

No.Mercy // Triumvirate

"Never underestimate your enemy or disrespect its abilities. If you do, you shall become the hunted "

Vollhov
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2015-09-24 22:41:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Vollhov
Del.
Upon the request the working people.

End of Time. I'm not fanatic, I'm just a servant by Her Majesty the Empress Jamyl Sarum I. It's time to leave this world to me. YC111 to YC117.12.10 20:00

Sinjin Mokk
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2015-09-25 00:40:42 UTC
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:
Does this mean that when he loses again he will simply go back to his Kingdom and ignore the "ritual suicide" of the Succession.



That's the major point of discussion here in the Kingdom. For 300 years, we've fought, bled and died for our autonomy and it was only recently that the Kingdom rejoined the Empire as a sovereign state.

Obviously, I think the best outcome is Khanid's victory in the Trials. The Empire needs stability and a strong military commander and Khanid is the best to provide both. We are at war and need the leadership of a true warrior. However, a Khanid victory will probably signal the end of the Kingdom as a separate political entity.

Should he lose (God forbid), things get murky. He may decide, as in the past, that will not follow the tradition and simply return to the Kingdom as it's king. I don't think this will force another secession from the Empire. Quite frankly, neither side wants another war considering the threat posed by the Drifters. The safe ISK if he loses is that he returns as King and things remain as they are.

In theory, he could die. The Trials are dangerous in and of themselves. Things get really complicated at this point.

Khanid has not named an heir to the throne of the Kingdom or his House. If he names an Heir, that person will be an instant target for political assassination. Why? Without an heir, several Khanid Houses will push for a full union with the Empire. Others will push for renewed autonomy. We would be very lucky to avoid a civil war at that point and let's not forget how this will effect the Kingdom's and Empire's relationships with the Caldari.

So if Khanid wins, House Khanid becomes the Royal House and the Kingdom will likely be fully and completely absorbed into the Empire. This will probably cause several of the more conservative groups and Houses to suffer from a mass Cerebral Vascular Accident.

If he loses? It all depends on his will and if he names an heir. My King has not survived as long as he has by taking chances and not having the next several moves mapped out.

To be sure, these Trials will set the course of Imperial and Kingdom futures for the next thousand years.

"Angels live, they never die, Apart from us, behind the sky. They're fading souls who've turned to ice, So ashen white in paradise."

Kador Ouryon
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2015-09-25 01:02:08 UTC
Sinjin Mokk wrote:
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:
Does this mean that when he loses again he will simply go back to his Kingdom and ignore the "ritual suicide" of the Succession.



That's the major point of discussion here in the Kingdom. For 300 years, we've fought, bled and died for our autonomy and it was only recently that the Kingdom rejoined the Empire as a sovereign state.

Obviously, I think the best outcome is Khanid's victory in the Trials. The Empire needs stability and a strong military commander and Khanid is the best to provide both. We are at war and need the leadership of a true warrior. However, a Khanid victory will probably signal the end of the Kingdom as a separate political entity.

Should he lose (God forbid), things get murky. He may decide, as in the past, that will not follow the tradition and simply return to the Kingdom as it's king. I don't think this will force another secession from the Empire. Quite frankly, neither side wants another war considering the threat posed by the Drifters. The safe ISK if he loses is that he returns as King and things remain as they are.

In theory, he could die. The Trials are dangerous in and of themselves. Things get really complicated at this point.

Khanid has not named an heir to the throne of the Kingdom or his House. If he names an Heir, that person will be an instant target for political assassination. Why? Without an heir, several Khanid Houses will push for a full union with the Empire. Others will push for renewed autonomy. We would be very lucky to avoid a civil war at that point and let's not forget how this will effect the Kingdom's and Empire's relationships with the Caldari.

So if Khanid wins, House Khanid becomes the Royal House and the Kingdom will likely be fully and completely absorbed into the Empire. This will probably cause several of the more conservative groups and Houses to suffer from a mass Cerebral Vascular Accident.

If he loses? It all depends on his will and if he names an heir. My King has not survived as long as he has by taking chances and not having the next several moves mapped out.

To be sure, these Trials will set the course of Imperial and Kingdom futures for the next thousand years.



It is solely because he has a..... history of ignoring Scriptural Law when it disadvantages him that I would traditionally be against his participation at all. The tradition of the losing competitors exists for a reason. There is no reason he should be able to enter the trials without risk to his person and potentially ascend the throne when in any other situation he would be asked to take his own life.

However this is a decision that so far beyond my station it is not my place to ask whose wisdom brought his participation to fruition.

What fills the soul? Something that guides a lost child back to it's parents arms. Or waves that dye the shores of the heart gold. A blessed breath to nurture life in a land of wheat. Or the path the Sef descend drawn in ash. In the wake of fire.

Math'ra Hiede
Trinity's Vanguard
#12 - 2015-09-25 01:33:05 UTC
Kador Ouryon wrote:


It is solely because he has a..... history of ignoring Scriptural Law when it disadvantages him that I would traditionally be against his participation at all. The tradition of the losing competitors exists for a reason. There is no reason he should be able to enter the trials without risk to his person and potentially ascend the throne when in any other situation he would be asked to take his own life.

However this is a decision that so far beyond my station it is not my place to ask whose wisdom brought his participation to fruition.


To this end, I have faith his Majesty will make the right decision.

He stated all those years ago that it was not his time to die. Now however it seems that God has ordained he must again fight through the trials to be held up to the light, to test his worthiness.

I believe he will succeed.

Although should he fail, God will decide what happens next.
Alizebeth Amalath
Doomheim
#13 - 2015-09-25 01:42:12 UTC
I find it quite interesting that those of the Kingdom are openly suggesting that King Khanid II will defy Shathol'Syn a second time.
Are you not confident that the Trials will go according to God's plan? Have faith!
Grash Uriza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2015-09-25 04:02:15 UTC
The Official Position of House Uriza, Is as following:
Today, Orders of the Privy Council and Decree to the Faithful from the Theology Council were issued on the matter regarding the Khanid House. House Uriza is satisfied and pleased to see the adoption of our solutions proposed, clarification of a matter among Houses, and the dispensation granted for Garkeh Khanid to stand again for Succession to the Seat of the Emperor.

While House Uriza greatly appreciated the discussion on our white paper on the matter, we are compelled to stress that today’s Orders and Decree are binding, legal, and holy directives which have closed the matter at the highest level. Thus they cannot be questioned by the loyal and pious of Our Holy Empire.

House Uriza wishes to acknowledge the immediate and succinct response of the Imperial Succession Committee. As such, we commend for their decisive action and glorify their work for the greater good of our Holy Empire.

Finally, to Our Khanid Brothers and sisters, Welcome Home. It has been far too long since you were in full union in Our Holy Empire. It has been too long your voice has been missing to sing in unison “From Genesis, Beyond Dam-Torsad, For New Eden one and all.

Indeed, God Bless Amarria.
DEUS VULT, AMARR VICTOR.
Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#15 - 2015-09-25 06:17:55 UTC
Heresy.
Sinjin Mokk
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2015-09-25 11:59:33 UTC
Alizebeth Amalath wrote:
I find it quite interesting that those of the Kingdom are openly suggesting that King Khanid II will defy Shathol'Syn a second time.
Are you not confident that the Trials will go according to God's plan? Have faith!


It's something to consider.

Perhaps it is time for the Council to revisit the subject of Shathol'Syn? Khanid and our late Empress both faced accusations of breaking this and both went on to become very capable rulers. All the Heirs are important and the loss of any of them would diminish the Empire as a whole.

Khanid however, is the best choice. We are at war, we need a warrior. The ramifications of his victory will be complicated, at best.


Samira Kernher wrote:
Heresy.


What is?


Grash Uriza wrote:
The Official Position of House Uriza, Is as following:
Today, Orders of the Privy Council and Decree to the Faithful from the Theology Council were issued on the matter regarding the Khanid House. House Uriza is satisfied and pleased to see the adoption of our solutions proposed, clarification of a matter among Houses, and the dispensation granted for Garkeh Khanid to stand again for Succession to the Seat of the Emperor.

While House Uriza greatly appreciated the discussion on our white paper on the matter, we are compelled to stress that today’s Orders and Decree are binding, legal, and holy directives which have closed the matter at the highest level. Thus they cannot be questioned by the loyal and pious of Our Holy Empire.

House Uriza wishes to acknowledge the immediate and succinct response of the Imperial Succession Committee. As such, we commend for their decisive action and glorify their work for the greater good of our Holy Empire.

Finally, to Our Khanid Brothers and sisters, Welcome Home. It has been far too long since you were in full union in Our Holy Empire. It has been too long your voice has been missing to sing in unison “From Genesis, Beyond Dam-Torsad, For New Eden one and all.

Indeed, God Bless Amarria.
DEUS VULT, AMARR VICTOR.



Well that was a fast course-correction.

I hope you didn't hurt your arm patting yourself on the back. Your paper had absolutely nothing to do with this and the topic has been the subject of discussion long before you tried to interject yourself into matters that are far above your head.

And who said anything about a "full union" with the Empire? King Khanid's standings as an Heir aside, Khanid's legal sovereignty has not changed one iota. You'll notice our trade agreements with State corporations, the Empire and CONCORD are still valid, yes?

I've declared my intention. Who will you fight for?


Khanid Victor
Amarr Victor

"Angels live, they never die, Apart from us, behind the sky. They're fading souls who've turned to ice, So ashen white in paradise."

Vollhov
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2015-09-25 12:17:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Vollhov
Del.
Good luck to all. Cry

End of Time. I'm not fanatic, I'm just a servant by Her Majesty the Empress Jamyl Sarum I. It's time to leave this world to me. YC111 to YC117.12.10 20:00

Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#18 - 2015-09-25 12:24:31 UTC
Sinjin Mokk wrote:
Samira Kernher wrote:
Heresy.


What is?


You don't need me to answer that question.
Slobodan Hawkwood
House Hawkwood of Amarr
#19 - 2015-09-25 14:04:01 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:
Sinjin Mokk wrote:
Samira Kernher wrote:
Heresy.


What is?


You don't need me to answer that question.


Though I can understand your bitterness, I must reiterate that we all should respect and obey decisions made by proper authority in Amarr Empire.
That's,after all, what differ us from other barbarians and their failed concept of "democracy".

"I will not hesitate when the test of Faith finds me, for only the strongest conviction will open the gates of paradise. My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."

Paladin's Creed

Quin Mansa
Doomheim
#20 - 2015-09-25 16:28:15 UTC
Glory to God, who has blessed our Councillors with constancy and providence, they who now bring together our six Heirs and six Houses in unity, under the Will of the Almighty.

In this troubled time, the cincture of faith of our Holy Empire shall permit no dissension, lest we falter in our task.

"Today, our future is in our hands, and His light shines down upon us." - Her Holiness Catiz I

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